Can God be insulted?

[MatthewG]

I’ve heard the phrase many times: “I believe we are all God’s children.” While I understand the sentiment, I respectfully disagree. In my view, we are all God’s creations—formed by His hands and sustained by His mercy. But becoming a child of God is something deeper, something spiritual.


Scripture makes this distinction clear: “But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name” (John 1:12). It is through faith and spiritual rebirth that we are adopted into His family. As Romans 8:14–15 affirms, “For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God… you received the Spirit of adoption by whom we cry out, ‘Abba, Father.’”


This transformation is not merely symbolic—it is the indwelling of the Spirit of the resurrected Lord Yeshua, empowering us to live according to His will. Galatians 2:20 declares, “It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me.”


As for the flesh, Scripture reminds us of its limitations: “The flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life” (John 6:63). Though one may be honored, admired, or even revered in this world, true greatness is found in surrender to the Spirit and in walking as a child of God.

 

[St. SteVen]

This reminds me of the issue of reparations for slavery in the USA.
Which means one party paying for what they didn't do to a party that was not injured by what was done.

Ironically, government handouts is what has enslaved peoples in poverty.

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[MatthewG]

Be a slave to Jesus. There is nothing wrong with that...

There are people who hire butlers and maids still today. That's a form of slavery.


Right? Please don't ignore me steven. It's fine really, Imma leave you be. I figured i comment on some of your unorthodox stuff.

All the best dude.

 

[Jack]

There it is again. I find it curious.
What do we call a human that takes someone else's life? (a murderer)
What do we call a human who can do whatever they want? (a tyrant, or bully)
Christians claim that God holds Himself to a lower standard than He holds us to.

Wow, won't Judgment Day be interesting!

Matthew 12:36-37
36 But I say to you that for every idle word men may speak, they will give account of it in the day of judgment.
37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned."

 

[ProverbsInPink]

We are made in his image....if we can get offended by things that we find unacceptable, why can’t he?

He created life...he can also take it away. He can do whatever he wants.
The clay cannot say to the potter, you didn’t do it right....we are the work of his hands, therefore we are subject to his will. He is not subject to ours. (Jer 18:5-10)

When the potter knows he is the potter and not the clay,can the clay offend the potter by being clay?

 

[Jack]

Can God be insulted?​

You should know stevie. You do it all the time.

 

[Aunty Jane]

When the potter knows he is the potter and not the clay,can the clay offend the potter by being clay?

What a strange thing to say......

The Bible calls God the potter and we are the clay. God did not make us to be clay robots however...he gave us free will, which means that God responds to our decisions and actions, and we are to respond to his commands. He makes the rules, (none of which are unreasonable) but we have to freely obey them. Because God, like any good parent, would only have the best interests of his children at heart, what he tells them would always be for their good. It was about trust, respect and love.

As free moral agents, we can offend our Creator by doing what he says is wrong. We never want to disappoint the one we love....free will was a gift, but disobedience turns it into a curse.

If you remember, it was God who tried to prevent the first humans from gaining any “knowledge of good and evil”, but the devil threw a spanner in the works, and now evil affects all of us. Sin made us into a flawed vessel, so through Jesus Christ, God will reform us into perfect vessels again.....eliminating all causes for sin.

God told his prophet Jeremiah to go to the house of the potter...
“So I went down to the house of the potter, and he was working on the potter’s wheels. 4  But the vessel that the potter was making with the clay was spoiled in his hand. So the potter reworked it into another vessel, just as he saw fit.” (Jer 18:3-4)

Only God can fix what’s wrong......we cannot reform ourselves....only he can remove the sin that afflicts us.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

What a strange thing to say......

The Bible calls God the potter and we are the clay. God did not make us to be clay robots however...he gave us free will, which means that God responds to our decisions and actions, and we are to respond to his commands. He makes the rules, (none of which are unreasonable) but we have to freely obey them. Because God, like any good parent, would only have the best interests of his children at heart, what he tells them would always be for their good. It was about trust, respect and love.

As free moral agents, we can offend our Creator by doing what he says is wrong. We never want to disappoint the one we love....free will was a gift, but disobedience turns it into a curse.

If you remember, it was God who tried to prevent the first humans from gaining any “knowledge of good and evil”, but the devil threw a spanner in the works, and now evil affects all of us. Sin made us into a flawed vessel, so through Jesus Christ, God will reform us into perfect vessels again.....eliminating all causes for sin.

God told his prophet Jeremiah to go to the house of the potter...
“So I went down to the house of the potter, and he was working on the potter’s wheels. 4  But the vessel that the potter was making with the clay was spoiled in his hand. So the potter reworked it into another vessel, just as he saw fit.” (Jer 18:3-4)

Only God can fix what’s wrong......we cannot reform ourselves....only he can remove the sin that afflicts us.

In my view you journeyed well beyond the scope of my observation.

Insults are offered with the intention of belittling, offending, or humiliating their target. An exploitation of said targets personal insecurities.

God is not a man. He cannot be made to feel insecure by man. Man cannot asail God's sense of self worth.
Because God is not a man.

The clay cannot insult the potter. The clay is in the hands of the potter. Because it was something else ,many elements, before the potter made it to be clay.

 

[St. SteVen]

God is not a man. He cannot be made to feel insecure by man. Man cannot asail God's sense of self worth.
Because God is not a man.

Agree.
That's my point.

Like a toddler that screams that they hate their father.
The behavior is inappropriate, but any father worth their salt is not offended.

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[Jack]

Agree.
That's my point.

Like a toddler that screams that they hate their father.
The behavior is inappropriate, but any father worth their salt is not offended.

Then why does the Bible clearly prove that BILLIONS of humans like you will burn FOREVER?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Agree.
That's my point.

Like a toddler that screams that they hate their father.
The behavior is inappropriate, but any father worth their salt is not offended.

Hang on...are we talking about “insults” here? Or are we talking more about betrayal and using free will in the wrong way? Abusing a privilege is an offence to God, who gave it with all good intentions, only to have it thrown back in his face. Man’s wicked behavior led to rather serious consequences.....

Gen 6:5-8...
“The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.” (NIV)

God “regretted” even giving these people life, but his response went even further, acknowledging that those who had led the humans into that state, had to be dealt with too......so he purposed to eliminate all those responsible, and start fresh with the only humans who would obey him, not intimidated by the “giants” who were responsible for man’s wicked behavior.

But he didn’t just snatch Noah and his family out of that world whilst he destroyed it.....he commissioned Noah to build a vessel that would save, not only the humans, but also the animal species that God brought to him. Noah was then responsible for the saving of all life on this planet, by his obedience to God’s command. (A labor perhaps lasting decades) He used his free will in a good way exposing what happens when we don’t.

We are again approaching the end of this current world system. The earth is again “filled with violence” and we await God’s action to again cleanse the earth of all who misuse their free will.

Any who want to transform God into the image of themselves will be disappointed to say the least...

Jesus said....”But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man.” (Matt 24:37-39 NIV)

Who today are “doing the will of God”? (Matt 7:21-23)

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Then why does the Bible clearly prove that BILLIONS of humans like you will burn FOREVER?

I think you're out of line there. You cannot judge the destiny of our brother.

 

[St. SteVen]

I think you're out of line there. You cannot judge the destiny of our brother.

Thank you. I agree.

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[TazzJazz]

@Aunty Jane ,
Our Cong.Book Study tonight, regarding Korah's rebellion, had an interesting Scripture: Numbers 16:33.
Korah went to Sheol! Highlights Jehovah's mercy.

 

[Jack]

I think you're out of line there. You cannot judge the destiny of our brother.

I think you need to read the Bible.
Mt 7 Narrow is the way to Life and FEW there be who find it.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

I think you need to read the Bible.
Mt 7 Narrow is the way to Life and FEW there be who find it.

I think you do.

 

[St. SteVen]

Mt 7 Narrow is the way to Life and FEW there be who find it.

Your interpretation is terrible.

You claim that God is making sport with our souls.
That He would make our salvation into a high-stakes game of hide-and-seek.

In that light, the scripture in question has to mean consequences in this mortal earthly life.
Unless you are claiming that the vast majority of those who SEEK God never find Him. ???
Is that what YOUR god is about?

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[Behold]

Unless you are claiming that the vast majority of those who SEEK God never find Him. ???

He is explaining that as compared to the entire population of the World of lost sinners.......Some people will become a Christian....... so, that is the "few".........in context.

One of the reaons that "The World of Humanity"......never becomes a Christian, is because they are under the delusion of a false gospel, or they are under the delusion that there are many paths to God.
So, they are on the "broad way" that leads to HELL ("destruction")".

 

[St. SteVen]

He is explaining that as compared to the entire population of the World of lost sinners.......Some people will become a Christian....... so, that is the "few".........in context.

Is that what God created?
An "entire population of the World of lost sinners"?

That sounds like a horrible plan for the children He created in His own image.
What sort of Father would do such a thing?

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[soberxp]

Is that what God created?
An "entire population of the World of lost sinners"?

That sounds like a horrible plan for the children He created in His own image.
What sort of Father would do such a thing?

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Then the angel led the man to a place, which was somewhat like the interior of Noah's Ark. There was a water channel in the middle. The man walked toward the water, and the water rose up to his neck. The angel asked, "One person, one dwelling?" The man replied, "It is just OK."

Can you help me to find where it is in the Bible?

I was afraid it was a sealed text. I had read it and couldn't find it.