Make Sure You’re Following the Real Jesus

[Keiw]

That is in fact what occurred. While previously not widely known, it's history. It is what it is. That's what they did, and that's why they did it.

God gave His Name to us in Scripture, in both YHWH before the Incarnation, and 'Iesous afterward, having come to us. You reject these, which are given in Scripture, in favor of a word invented to obscure God's Name.

We know as a fact that Jehovah is not how God's Name was pronounced, because that pronounciation was devised to prevent anyone using the true pronounciation. This is verifiable. The simple fact is that you hold to something not true.

Even so, I believe God accepts us if we have our faith in Jesus.

Much love!

God accepts--Those who live now to do his will over their own, just as Jesus does. ( Matthew 7:21)--It says there-- N everyone saying to me , Lord, Lord, will enter into the kingdom of the heavens, but the one doing the will of my Father who is in heaven will. Jesus teaches--it will be FEW. He being an eyewitness to the events of Noah's day( 99.9% mislead), compares these last to Noah's day.( Luke 17:26-30)-
All can see from these boards the religions claiming to be Christian are confused. It's why there are so many of them. Jesus is with 1 of those religions.( 1Cor 1:10)-- Few will find the road that leads off into life( Matthew 7:14)

 

[Keiw]

And that's not translation, it's making word substitutions according to one's personal opinion of what the text should actually say. This is simply one more example of someone interpreting the Bible by asserting, "It says this, but it means that." You know the saying, If I had a $ for every time I heard that I'd be a rich man indeed!

Much love!

It is correct translation. Its 100% in Gods written word--one MUST--Praise that name, call on that name, thank that name, share that name, just as Jesus does. How can one do that if they fear taking his name in vain? There is proof the name belongs in over 7000 spots-nearly 6800 OT, over 200 NT( the OT is quoted)
Gods will = his name in his bible over 7000 spots. satan's will, have name removed to mislead. Those living to do Gods will( Matt 7:21) are the ones to enter his kingdom)--

 

[Keiw]

Hello Keiw,

Good morning. That would just be called a hypocrite?

Grace and peace,
Matthew

Its taking the name in vain as well.

 

[Keiw]

That is what we have already discussed several times. The Bible clearly reveals the answer to this. The apostles did not render "Jehovah" in the Greek text, they used Kyrios and applied Joel 2:32 directly to Jesus Christ. That is the revelation of the Holy Spirit, not an alteration by man. You are arguing with the text itself, not me. The Word of God has already given the answer and that is where I stand.

No matter what anyone says, The bible teaches one must praise Gods name, call on that name, share that name. Its been proven 100% the name belongs in Gods bible. By his will. One cannot do those things if they do not use the name often. The righteous run to that name as a strong tower. The wicked fear taking that name in vain. Jesus promised to keep on making his Fathers name known( John 17:26), he does that thru his 1 real religion and followers. Jesus leads that religion.

 

[bdavidc]

No matter what anyone says, The bible teaches one must praise Gods name, call on that name, share that name. Its been proven 100% the name belongs in Gods bible. By his will. One cannot do those things if they do not use the name often. The righteous run to that name as a strong tower. The wicked fear taking that name in vain. Jesus promised to keep on making his Fathers name known( John 17:26), he does that thru his 1 real religion and followers. Jesus leads that religion.

You keep bringing up the same argument again and again, but you are overlooking what the Bible teaches. The NT writers were not inserting or restoring the Tetragrammaton because they were being inspired by the Holy Spirit to write something else, they wrote Kyrios and applied it to Jesus Christ. It was not man’s editing, it was God’s revelation.

Second, when you say we have to “use the name often” you are misinterpreting Scripture. God’s Word never says we are saved or declared righteous by uttering a specific form of His name. Rather, it says, “Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved” ~Romans 10: 13, and the preceding verse identifies that Lord as Jesus. “If you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” ~Romans 10:9.

The name is not a sound, it is the revelation of who He is. Jesus said, “I have manifested Your name” ~John 17:6. He was not talking about the pronunciation of syllables, He was declaring the Father’s nature, character and saving power to us. This is what it means to know His name ~Psalm 9:10, not just to speak it.

So no, it has not been “proven 100%” that the Hebrew name belongs in the Greek NT. What has been proven is that the apostles, under the guidance of the Spirit, proclaimed Jesus as Kyrios, Yahweh in the flesh. This is the name that will be on every tongue, and to which every knee will bow ~Philippians 2:9-11.

 

[marks]

It is correct translation.

Bizarre! That you cannot see this. Have you confirmed the history and you just don't accept it? Or have you not wanted to look?

Much love!

 

[Keiw]

You keep bringing up the same argument again and again, but you are overlooking what the Bible teaches. The NT writers were not inserting or restoring the Tetragrammaton because they were being inspired by the Holy Spirit to write something else, they wrote Kyrios and applied it to Jesus Christ. It was not man’s editing, it was God’s revelation.

Second, when you say we have to “use the name often” you are misinterpreting Scripture. God’s Word never says we are saved or declared righteous by uttering a specific form of His name. Rather, it says, “Whoever calls on the name of the Lord shall be saved” ~Romans 10: 13, and the preceding verse identifies that Lord as Jesus. “If you confess with your mouth Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved” ~Romans 10:9.

The name is not a sound, it is the revelation of who He is. Jesus said, “I have manifested Your name” ~John 17:6. He was not talking about the pronunciation of syllables, He was declaring the Father’s nature, character and saving power to us. This is what it means to know His name ~Psalm 9:10, not just to speak it.

So no, it has not been “proven 100%” that the Hebrew name belongs in the Greek NT. What has been proven is that the apostles, under the guidance of the Spirit, proclaimed Jesus as Kyrios, Yahweh in the flesh. This is the name that will be on every tongue, and to which every knee will bow ~Philippians 2:9-11.

Its been proven. Gods name belongs in his real bible over 7000 spots.= His will.

 

[Keiw]

Bizarre! That you cannot see this. Have you confirmed the history and you just don't accept it? Or have you not wanted to look?

Much love!

Oh yes i have studied since 1961, religion, bible, history.
They wrote Kyrios out of the Latin Vulgate which was corrupted=removal of Gods name replaced with titles. That is what is in your translation. There are very few minor fragments( NT) older than the Latin Vulgate that exist of NT.
100% fact= The removal of Gods name out of his own bible where he willed it to be because he wants it there is like kicking him where the sun don't shine in front. So many claim to follow Jesus but do not listen to him. Lords prayer=#1 issue for all involved= his Fathers name, then his Fathers kingdom and his will)))))))( Matt 7:21)= All true followers do Jesus' Fathers will over self..
Which translation one uses reflects upon whose will is being done
1) Jesus' Fathers will = his name in his bible over 7000 spots.
2) satans will= Have that name removed to mislead.

 

[marks]

Oh yes i have studied since 1961, religion, bible, history.
They wrote Kyrios out of the Latin Vulgate which was corrupted=removal of Gods name replaced with titles. That is what is in your translation. There are very few minor fragments( NT) older than the Latin Vulgate that exist of NT.
100% fact= The removal of Gods name out of his own bible where he willed it to be because he wants it there is like kicking him where the sun don't shine in front. So many claim to follow Jesus but do not listen to him. Lords prayer=#1 issue for all involved= his Fathers name, then his Fathers kingdom and his will)))))))( Matt 7:21)= All true followers do Jesus' Fathers will over self..
Which translation one uses reflects upon whose will is being done
1) Jesus' Fathers will = his name in his bible over 7000 spots.
2) satans will= Have that name removed to mislead.

I'm referring to the Masoretic Scribes. Are you aware of the history concerning the name Jehovah, as relates to the Masoretic copying of Scripture?

 

[bdavidc]

Its been proven. Gods name belongs in his real bible over 7000 spots.= His will.

You keep asserting it’s been “proven,” but you’ve never shown a single verse that says the New Testament was supposed to contain the Hebrew name.” No, it isn’t. Scripture does not say that anywhere. What it does say is that the writers spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit ~2 Peter 1:21. If the Spirit directed them to write Kyrios, then that settles it.

You’re treating a man-made count of appearances as if it were divine command ,” But the Bible does not define truth by statistics. It defines truth by revelation. Show one verse that commands believers to restore a specific form of God’s name to the New Testament. There isn’t one. The authority of Scripture is in what God actually gave, not in what you wish it said.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You don’t “feel” your way into knowing if your faith is real; you measure it by the truth of God’s Word. Scripture says, “Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?, unless indeed you fail to meet the test!” (2 Corinthians 13:5). Real faith begins when you repent and believe the gospel that Christ died for your sins, was buried, and rose again (1 Corinthians 15:3-4). Jesus Himself said, “My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me” (John 10:27). Genuine faith produces a new direction of life: obedience to God’s Word (1 John 2:3-6), love for the brethren (1 John 3:14), and a growing hatred for sin (1 John 3:9).

You know Jesus is real because God’s Word testifies to Him. “These are written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name” (John 20:31). The Spirit of God also bears witness with our spirit that we are God’s children (Romans 8:16). And you know your faith is in the real Jesus because it matches the Jesus revealed in Scripture, not a Jesus of human imagination. Paul warned of “another Jesus” (2 Corinthians 11:4), so the safeguard is simple: stay in the Word. If what you believe lines up with the Bible’s Jesus, if you’ve turned from sin to trust Him, and if your life shows the fruit of that trust, then you’re anchored to the real Savior, not a counterfeit.

And just remember that that truthy is on people in many many staged of spritual growth.

A baby Christian who knows little of Scripture has as much Jesus in them as the most learned believer! So do not look at how perfect one is. god knows His own, we can only judge by the external and that can be deceptive. Immature Christians will live different lives than more mature believers and a believer may be caught up in a besetting sin and look unsaved while still be a child of God!

 

[bdavidc]

And just remember that that truthy is on people in many many staged of spritual growth.

A baby Christian who knows little of Scripture has as much Jesus in them as the most learned believer! So do not look at how perfect one is. god knows His own, we can only judge by the external and that can be deceptive. Immature Christians will live different lives than more mature believers and a believer may be caught up in a besetting sin and look unsaved while still be a child of God!

Scripture instructs us that we grow as believers by stages, I agree. But there is a clear line in the Word between spiritual immaturity and unrepentant hypocrisy. A new believer is bound to trip up now and again in their learning process, but one who is willfully, unrepentantly sinning has shown themselves to not be born again. “Whoever is born of God does not continue in sin, because His seed remains in him” ~1 John 3:9. Spiritual infancy is not a life sentence. “Like newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the Word, that you may grow thereby” ~1 Peter 2:2. God desires His children to mature as they increase in faith and in the obedience of it.

When a person is spiritually stagnant for years and will not allow correction, does not have any fruit of repentance in their life, it’s not immaturity. It’s disobedience. That’s what Paul addressed in the Corinthian church: “By now you ought to be teachers, but you still need milk, not solid food” ~Hebrews 5:12. True believers grow in holiness. The reason they do is because the Holy Spirit works in them “both to will and to do for His good pleasure” ~Philippians 2:13. “I’m just a baby Christian” is not a lifelong excuse one can hide behind. Growth is evidence of life. Where there is no growth, there is every reason to question whether the new birth happened at all.

True believers fall, but they do not remain in sin. They are convicted, and the Spirit corrects and renews them. “The Lord knows those who are His,” but He also says, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity” ~2 Timothy 2:19. God’s children grow up in holiness. They do not grow up in comfort with sin.

This is the problem today. We preach love without speaking truth. We let people wallow in rebellion because we don’t want to be mean. But love without truth is a lie. Jesus did not die to make us comfortable in our sin. He died to set us free from our sin. “You shall call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins” ~Matthew 1:21. When people use the term “love” to get out of obedience to God, they are guilty of spreading a false gospel. Scripture says, “By this we know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments” ~1 John 2:3. God loves us enough not to leave us in our sin. He loves us enough to want to change us. If you are a true follower of Christ, you will want the same. Any message that leaves people in bondage to anything is not the gospel of Christ.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Scripture instructs us that we grow as believers by stages, I agree. But there is a clear line in the Word between spiritual immaturity and unrepentant hypocrisy. A new believer is bound to trip up now and again in their learning process, but one who is willfully, unrepentantly sinning has shown themselves to not be born again. “Whoever is born of God does not continue in sin, because His seed remains in him” ~1 John 3:9. Spiritual infancy is not a life sentence. “Like newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the Word, that you may grow thereby” ~1 Peter 2:2. God desires His children to mature as they increase in faith and in the obedience of it.

That is simply not true.One who is born again, may enter a season of willful backsliding. They appear unsaved but they are merely a disobedient child of God.

Salvation is not based on how less we sin, but if the blood of the cross has removed the penalty for all our sin from us.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

When a person is spiritually stagnant for years and will not allow correction, does not have any fruit of repentance in their life, it’s not immaturity. It’s disobedience. That’s what Paul addressed in the Corinthian church: “By now you ought to be teachers, but you still need milk, not solid food” ~Hebrews 5:12. True believers grow in holiness. The reason they do is because the Holy Spirit works in them “both to will and to do for His good pleasure” ~Philippians 2:13. “I’m just a baby Christian” is not a lifelong excuse one can hide behind. Growth is evidence of life. Where there is no growth, there is every reason to question whether the new birth happened at all.

And that is the unspoken obvious reality. We may remove such people from our fellowships, but we have no clue as to teh stqate of their soul. Thatr is up to God alone to judge!

And of course there is no license to live in sin.

 

[marks]

That is simply not true.One who is born again, may enter a season of willful backsliding. They appear unsaved but they are merely a disobedient child of God.

Salvation is not based on how less we sin, but if the blood of the cross has removed the penalty for all our sin from us.

Self righteousness is one of those sins. Pride, and contempt of others, there are a lot of ways a person can continue in sin while pretending to not. Lack of love, tearing others down, we see this a lot, for some, they just continue in these ways.

Much love!

 

[marks]

And just remember that that truthy is on people in many many staged of spritual growth.

A baby Christian who knows little of Scripture has as much Jesus in them as the most learned believer! So do not look at how perfect one is. god knows His own, we can only judge by the external and that can be deceptive. Immature Christians will live different lives than more mature believers and a believer may be caught up in a besetting sin and look unsaved while still be a child of God!

I think Christian maturity is not the austere downward gaze on others that some seem to think it is. Besetting sins come in many flavorsm including faux spirituality.

For me, Christian maturity looks like family, the family of God, not in name only, but actually living like a family, that loves each other, and seeks good for each other, and gives one's self for each other.

Christian maturity is not about fixing one's eyes on others to be a "sin sniffer", but to come together in love - gentle, merciful - to build up, not tear down.

Much love!

 

[Keiw]

I'm referring to the Masoretic Scribes. Are you aware of the history concerning the name Jehovah, as relates to the Masoretic copying of Scripture?

You have words of imperfect men. My confidence is in the true living God and his son, that its 100% for sure. God wants his name known and used, praised, worshipped, called on and shared=Jehovah(YHVH)

 

[Keiw]

You keep asserting it’s been “proven,” but you’ve never shown a single verse that says the New Testament was supposed to contain the Hebrew name.” No, it isn’t. Scripture does not say that anywhere. What it does say is that the writers spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit ~2 Peter 1:21. If the Spirit directed them to write Kyrios, then that settles it.

You’re treating a man-made count of appearances as if it were divine command ,” But the Bible does not define truth by statistics. It defines truth by revelation. Show one verse that commands believers to restore a specific form of God’s name to the New Testament. There isn’t one. The authority of Scripture is in what God actually gave, not in what you wish it said.

Every place the OT is quoted and the name belongs in OT= the name belongs in NT at those spots.

 

[marks]

You have words of imperfect men. My confidence is in the true living God and his son, that its 100% for sure. God wants his name known and used, praised, worshipped, called on and shared=Jehovah(YHVH)

So either you don't know the history, and steadfastly close your eyes so you won't see it, or you do know it, and steadfastly deny the significance of what you know.

 

[Jack]

Make Sure You’re Following the Real Jesus​

And the real Jesus is GOD!