Why I don't believe in a pretrib rapture

[Taken]

i AGREE with all that you stated = thank you

Three things to consider:
#1 - At what time did God command the Passover?
a.) Afternoon Day-light
b.) Full Moon-light

#2 - Did God place the Passover in the Law?

#3 - Did God command Passover to begin under the Full Moon?

Hi -
I do not know the answers to your questions.
I am not an Israelite. Not Jewish. Do not celebrate release from bondage. Do not celebrate Passover.

I do believe in the beginning God expressly created, made, and established Divisions of Opposites, For the Express purpose…
Of Gods Pleasure…
And manKIND to Have FREEWILL Choices.

I believe the Significance of the PASSOVER, was expressly For the Israelites (Gods chosen People)…
*Small in number
*Prominent in Position
*First to Suffer broadly
*First to be introduced to Gods Offering of Relief…With God.
* First Teachers, First Accepted among other people, First Rejected among other people…
Yet … always to be in Remembrance
Of their God…
By, Through, Of Routine, Regular, Celebratory Gatherings, Tributes, Traditions.

Regarding “the Moon”…
The Moon has NO light of its own.
The Sun… (Son) is Gods Source of Light.
The Moon… ( is like a parallel to “people”… rhythmically, Bright, Beautiful, (when the Sun reflects its Light upon the Moon) … and the Dark and Temptation of Deception, under cover of being unseen or noticed.

I believe…God gives Humans “Glimpses” Signs ) of His “power and Spiritual things” our human eyes otherwise can Not see or our human mind comprehend.

Again the Moon.. at times, big, Bright, white, orange, Full twice in a month and the glimpse
Of the Blood Red Moon.

God continually reveals the wonderment of His presence.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

We are still going to doctors for Dan.

He is in pain 24/7 = some days are better then others and and some days are all PAIN..

Oh no. I understood pain of difficulties… but do not understand IF that is ALSO a physical pain. Please PM me, maybe can do some comparing, options, for his well being. Although an age gap and gender difference, between Dan and my daughter…they share a common struggle and as parents, we hurt for them.

My Dear Brother in CHRIST, please lift Dan UP when you think of us.

Absolutely. Think of you guys, whole family often… and talk to God about y’all.

i am very much looking forward to SEEING you in our NEW Glorified Bodies come Resurrection/Rapture DAY

Ditto… what a marvelous event we have to look forward to…. !!! Praise God, His way is Perfect.

God Bless you and yours.
Glory to God,

Taken

 

[marks]

Israel is not mentioned in Revelation 12.


There is the kingdom of God, and the kingdoms of this world mentioned.


The Holy Spirit expressing the dominion of the Kingdom of God through the Church, and Satan expressing his dominion through the kingdoms of this world.


The woman is clothed with the Sun.

And has the “moon” under her feet, an expression of dominance of the “moon”.


‘Why would you believe the woman clothed with the Sun represents unsaved Jews?

And the man child given birth? What do you make of that?

Much love!

 

[JLB]

And the man child given birth? What do you make of that?

Much love!

sons of God.

Overcomers.


Those who sit down on the throne with Christ and rule all nations with a rod of iron with Him.


But hold fast what you have till I come. And he who overcomes, and keeps My works until the end, to him I will give power over the nations— ‘He shall rule them with a rod of iron;
They shall be dashed to pieces like the potter’s vessels’—
Revelation 2:25-27


To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with Me on My throne, as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.
Revelation 3:21

 

[marks]

sons of God.

Thanks!

Much love!

 

[marks]

Israel is not mentioned in Revelation 12.


There is the kingdom of God, and the kingdoms of this world mentioned.


The Holy Spirit expressing the dominion of the Kingdom of God through the Church, and Satan expressing his dominion through the kingdoms of this world.


The woman is clothed with the Sun.

And has the “moon” under her feet, an expression of dominance of the “moon”.


‘Why would you believe the woman clothed with the Sun represents unsaved Jews?

And who is the woman?

 

[JLB]

And who is the woman?

The woman clothed with the sun represents the Holy Spirit expressing the dominion of the kingdom of God through the overcoming ones within the church.


Moon under her feet, represents dominion over Satan.


12 stars represents kingdom governmental authority; crowned with governmental authority.

 

[David in NJ]

The woman clothed with the sun represents the Holy Spirit expressing the dominion of the kingdom of God through the overcoming ones within the church.


Moon under her feet, represents dominion over Satan.

Tag = your in it to win it @marks

Not that I have already attained, or am already perfected; but I press on, that I may lay hold of that for which Christ Jesus has also laid hold of me. Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead, I press toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in Christ Jesus.

Therefore let us, as many as are mature, have this mind; and if in anything you think otherwise, God will reveal even this to you.

 

[marks]

The woman clothed with the sun represents the Holy Spirit expressing the dominion of the kingdom of God through the overcoming ones within the church.


Moon under her feet, represents dominion over Satan.


12 stars represents kingdom governmental authority; crowned with governmental authority.

Thanks again!

Much love!

 

[marks]

The woman clothed with the sun represents the Holy Spirit

The Holy Spirit is not mentioned in Revelation 12.

;-)

Revelation 12:5-6 KJV
5) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

Much love!

 

[JLB]

The Holy Spirit is not mentioned in Revelation 12.

The woman clothed with the sun represents the Holy Spirit expressing the dominion of the kingdom of God through the overcoming ones within the church.


Two wings of a great eagle is the language of the Holy Spirit, which was typified by a cloud by day and fire by night.


Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 10:1-2


This directly correlates to the Holy Spirit; Those baptized with the Holy Spirit and fire.

 

[marks]

The woman clothed with the sun represents the Holy Spirit expressing the dominion of the kingdom of God through the overcoming ones within the church.


Two wings of a great eagle is the language of the Holy Spirit, which was typified by a cloud by day and fire by night.


Moreover, brethren, I do not want you to be unaware that all our fathers were under the cloud, all passed through the sea, 2 all were baptized into Moses in the cloud and in the sea, 1 Corinthians 10:1-2


This directly correlates to the Holy Spirit; Those baptized with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Rules for me and not for thee?

OK, everyone has their opinions.

Much love!

 

[marks]

This directly correlates to the Holy Spirit;

Revelation 12:5-6 KJV
5) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

 

[JLB]

Revelation 12:5-6 KJV
5) And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6) And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

The Holy Spirit IN the woman, expressing the dominion of the kingdom of God through her.


Do you believe the Holy Spirit is in the people of the Church?

 

[marks]

The Holy Spirit IN the woman, expressing the dominion of the kingdom of God through her.

The woman clothed with the sun represents the Holy Spirit expressing the dominion of the kingdom of God through the overcoming ones within the church.

??

 

[JLB]

??

Do you believe the Holy Spirit is in the people of the Church?

 

[marks]

Do you believe the Holy Spirit is in the people of the Church?

This is not germain to the question at hand.

Neither the Holy Spirit nor the Church are named in that chapter.

And you've moved the goalposts, in first identifying the woman as the Holy Spirit, and then as the Church. Now you want me to blend the two into "the woman", because they don't need to feed the Holy Spirit in the wilderness.

However, I think there is a much better answer to the question. The Woman is Israel, as dreamed by Joseph, who gave birth to Jesus Christ, and who will flee from Judea into the wilderness, when they see the abomination that causes desolation. There God will nourish them, as Satan persecutes the rest of Israel's seed, the Israelites who did not flee.

Much love!

 

[JLB]

Neither the Holy Spirit nor the Church are named in that chapter.

But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent.


Do you believe these people have the Holy Spirit in them?

 

[GeneZ]

I ask because THERE IS NO SECOND RESURRECTION.

And it will NOT be happening ANYWHERE since it does not exist.

However, you're allowed to believe what you will,,,
and this will be my last post to you.

You are not happening and you don't exist.
You are A.I.

 

[soberxp]

You are not happening and you don't exist.
You are A.I.

Everyone's RESURRECTION which is the first.