WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?

[Doug]

If there is ONE FAITH then there is ONE CHURCH. It's a simple deduction that doesn't have to be explicitly stated.

Both churches could believe on Jesus

 

[Doug]

"BODY" Same as "church"...it's the people of God one in Christ- The church

Where do you get this? what scripture?

 

[Doug]

An argument for silence is a documented fallacy of logic...as anyone in logic 101 knows.

Here would be an argument of silence.................Peter DID NOT say his church WAS NOT the body of Christ, so therefore, it IS the body of Christ......Actually that is your logic

 

[Doug]

" all the world as a witness to all the nations," Seems like more than just the Jews.

The nations would be blessed in the earthly kingdom

 

[Doug]

Was before the cross.

Yes but even after the cross he still preached water baptism in Acts 2. Acts 2 was after the cross

 

[Doug]

What is the gospel of the Kingdom??

[Mar 1:14-15 KJV] 14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of the kingdom of God, 15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

The kingdom is the prophetic Davidic kingdom in which Jesus will reign for a thousand years from Jerusalem, sitting on David's throne...................[Luk 1:32-33 KJV] 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob for ever; and of his kingdom there shall be no end.

 

[Doug]

1. How were persons in the OT saved?

Everyone is saved by faith by believing God
Israel was saved by believing God to offer sacrices to take away their sin

 

[Doug]

2. Do you give any creedence to the Covenants?

Yes God gave covenants to Israel NOT US

 

[Stumpmaster]

Yes God gave covenants to Israel NOT US

Thank God for grafting in . . .
Mat 21:43 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.

 

[David in NJ]

Joel 3:2 LITV
2) I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat. And I will enter into judgment with them there, for My people and My inheritance, Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations; and they shared out My land.

Matthew 25:31-46 LITV
31) But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory.
32) And before Him shall be gathered all the nations; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.
33) And indeed He will set the sheep off His right, but the goats off the left hand.
34) Then the King will say to those on His right, Come, the blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35) For I hungered, and you gave Me food to eat; I thirsted, and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger, and you took Me in;
36) naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.
37) Then the righteous will answer, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungry, and fed You; or thirsting, and gave You drink?
38) And when did we see You a stranger, and took You in; or naked, and clothed You?
39) And when did we see You sick, or in prison, and came to You?
40) And answering, the King will say to them, Truly I say to you, In so far as you did it to one of these, the least of My brothers, you did it to Me.
41) Then He will also say to those on His left, Go away from Me, cursed ones, into the everlasting fire having been prepared for the Devil and his angels.
42) For I hungered, and you did not give Me a thing to eat. I thirsted and you did not give Me a thing to drink;
43) I was a stranger, and you did not take Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.
44) Then they also will answer Him, saying, Lord, when did we see You hungering, or thirsting, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister to You?
45) Then He will answer them, saying, Truly I say to you, In so far as you did not do it to one of these, the least, neither did you do it to Me.
46) And these shall go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into everlasting life.

God will announce to the world the coming kingdom, with Israel the head of nations, even as the beast will be intent on destroying all Israelites. The nations will be accountable to this.

Matthew 24:14 LITV
And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the earth for a testimony to all the nations, and then will come the end.

Much love!

You left out Joel 3:1

“Yes, in those days and at that time,
when I restore Judah and Jerusalem from captivity,

JESUS confirm Joel's prophecy of His Return = Matthew 24:29-31

"Immediately after the tribulation of those days...........I Come"

when I restore Judah and Jerusalem = Matthew 23:39
"for I say to you(Israel on earth), you shall see Me no more till you say, ‘Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord!’ ”

OOPS = @marks you also left out Joel chapter 1
Gather the elders
and all the residents of the land
to the house of the LORD your God = (CHRIST replaced the House/Temple of God)
and cry out to the LORD(Jesus Christ)
Alas for the day!
For the Day of the LORD(Jesus Christ) is near,
and it will come
as destruction from the Almighty.
Has not the food been cut off
before our very eyes—
joy and gladness
from the house of our God? = Prophecy given by JESUS to Israel in Matthew 23:37-39

What about Joel ch2 = Does this sound familiar to you? = Acts ch2
And afterward, I will pour out My Spirit on all people.
Your sons and daughters will prophesy,
your old men will dream dreams,
your young men will see visions.
Even on My menservants and maidservants,
I will pour out My Spirit in those days.
I will show wonders in the heavens and on the earth,
blood and fire and columns of smoke.
The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood
before the coming of the great and awesome Day of the LORD.
And everyone who calls on the name of the LORD
will be saved;
for on Mount Zion and in Jerusalem
there will be deliverance, as the LORD has promised,
among the remnant called by the LORD.


Matthew 24:14
And this gospel of the Kingdom shall be preached in all the earth for a testimony to all the nations, and then will come the end.

 

[David in NJ]

Thank God for grafting in . . .
Mat 21:43 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.

How is it that 'christian' scholars reject these words of Christ.............because they do not have the Holy Spirit of Truth

 

[shepherdsword]

Not so
There maybe one faith but that doesnt conclude there being one church All churches could hold to that one faith

There is one church of Jesus Christ despite man made denominational divisions

 

[shepherdsword]

Here would be an argument of silence.................Peter DID NOT say his church WAS NOT the body of Christ, so therefore, it IS the body of Christ......Actually that is your logic

So present the two separate gospels these "two" churches have. Present the plan and method of salvation that each has. And stop dodging this request.

 

[Fred J]

Not at all
Hebrews is written to believing Israel NOT us. Israel is under covenant not us. In the new covenant there is still no offering for willful sin
This is I thought helpful in understanding Hebrew 10:26. Its not about our salvation.

This epistle is adressed to the Hebrew church, but nevertheless this epistle is also circulated and read in the Gentile church as well, who are in one faith and coheir of the New Covenant.

There's no such thing as believeing Israel NOT us, and Israel is under covenant not us, and so on the fallacy of yours repeatedly.

Only an 'imposter' and 'counterfet' divide the body of Christ, when there's only one body of Christ, and all born again Jews and Gentiles in 'oneness' and 'togetherness' are members of it.

 

[Fred J]

So present the two separate gospels these "two" churches have. Present the plan and method of salvation that each has. And stop dodging this request.

He would probably say, the 12 Apostles' Gospel are for the Jews and the 13th Apostle Paul's Gospel is for the Gentiles.

 

[GodsGrace]

Acts 1:6-7 KJV
6) When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7) And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.

Ezekiel 39:27-29 KJV
27) When I have brought them again from the people, and gathered them out of their enemies' lands, and am sanctified in them in the sight of many nations;
28) Then shall they know that I am the LORD their God, which caused them to be led into captivity among the heathen: but I have gathered them unto their own land, and have left none of them any more there.
29) Neither will I hide my face any more from them: for I have poured out my spirit upon the house of Israel, saith the Lord GOD.

There are many more passages that speak the same thing.

Much love!

Sorry marks,,,
the above is not helpful.

Jesus spoke of the Kingdom.
Could you please explain YOUR understanding of what Jesus meant by THE KINGDOM....


Matthew 6:33
33 "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Mark 1:14-15
14 Now after John had been taken into custody, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of God,
15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel."

Luke 17:20-21
20 Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, "The kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed;
21 nor will they say, 'Look, here it is!' or, 'There it is!' For behold, the kingdom of God is in your midst."


Paul explained it like this:
Romans 14:17
17 for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.

 

[Doug]

Thank God for grafting in . . .
Mat 21:43 "Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it.

By grafting in I assume you mean this verse..............[Rom 11:17 KJV] 17 And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree;.............................Romans 9 10 &11 are not about the body of Christ, these chapters are about Israel.
Paul was writing about the believing remnant of Israel...................[Rom 11:5 KJV] 5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.................This remnant was made of Jew and Gentiles. The Gentiles were not the Gentiles in the body of Christ, but rather the Gentiles who believed Peter's preaching as in Acts 10:45.

By the way this is a good proof that there are 2 churches. We see Gentiles being incorporated into one church, led by Peter and we see another Gentile group become members in the body of Christ.

As far as Matthew 21:43, The kingdom of God will be taken from the physical unbelieving nation of Israel and given to believing Israel, the believing nation of Israel

 

[Doug]

There is one church of Jesus Christ despite man made denominational divisions

I have expressed my view as there being two churches. There is no verse that I know of that specifically says there are 2 churches so definitive proof cant be given. I see how you and others can think there is just one church, how you could see the church starting off with the apostleship of Peter and progressing into the body of Christ with the apostleship of Paul. You can hold to your view, it doesnt impact salvation. However, I will hold to my view. I see there being two churches based on differences between them.

Of more significance is that there are different doctrines between the church built by Christ and led by the twelve apostles and the body. of Christ There is more than one gospel in the Bible, and it is imperative to believe the gospel that saves us today.

 

[David in NJ]

This epistle is adressed to the Hebrew church, but nevertheless this epistle is also circulated and read in the Gentile church as well, who are in one faith and coheir of the New Covenant.

There's no such thing as believeing Israel NOT us, and Israel is under covenant not us, and so on the fallacy of yours repeatedly.

Only an 'imposter' and 'counterfet' divide the body of Christ, when there's only one body of Christ, and all born again Jews and Gentiles in 'oneness' and 'togetherness' are members of it.

@Fred J @shepherdsword

Find the Truth in Hebrews that speaks of and includes the Body of Christ from the time Hebrews was written unto our current time.

@shepherdsword = did you ever find a single scripture whereby God denotes satan as the 'moon'???

 

[Nancy]

Where do you get this? what scripture?

Ephesians 1:23​

"23 The church is Christ's body, the completion of him who himself completes all things everywhere."

"Colossians 1:18
And He is the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning and firstborn from among the dead, so that in all things He may have preeminence."

1 Corinthians 12:12-27
"The body is a unit, though it is composed of many parts. And although its parts are many, they all form one body. So it is with Christ. / For in one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, slave or free, and we were all given one Spirit to drink. / For the body does not consist of one part, but of many..."


Romans 12:4-5
Just as each of us has one body with many members, and not all members have the same function, / so in Christ we who are many are one body, and each member belongs to one another.

Colossians 1:24
Now I rejoice in my sufferings for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions for the sake of His body, which is the church."

etc.






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