Is it possible to lose salvation?

[ProverbsInPink]

Wanna bet??

In one of the earliest writings in Church History - Ignatius of Antioch - a student of the Apostle John wrote the following on his way to Rome to be martyred:

Ignatius of Antioch
Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

Only the Catholic Church fits this description.

Ignatius coined the term,Catholic church,but that's it.

St. Ignatius of Antioch, Apostolic Father who coined the term 'Catholic Church' honored Oct. 17

Born around the year 50 in Syria, Ignatius was an Apostolic Father of the Church, a disciple, with St. Polycarp, of St. John the Evangelist, and the third bishop of Antioch, the former See of Peter before he went to Rome.In 117 he was sentenced to death by the Emperor Trajan and arrested in Ant...

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Jesus did not found the Catholic church.Jesus is the rock upon which his church is grounded. As foretold of
Him in the Old Testament as well as the New.
Jesus did not advocate his Mother as Co-Redemptrix ,he did not ever teach
Limbo,Purgatory, Indulgences,reverence for relics, prayers to the dead as intercessors for the living, baptism of newborns, sprinkling as baptism,
and he certainly never taught we can fall from grace yet be restored through the acts of a priest. And he certainly would never approve the manufacture of and then cursing the 5 solas of faith.

"According to "The Moody Handbook of Theology," the official beginning of the Roman Catholic church occurred in 590 C.E., with Pope Gregory I. "

Trace the History of the Roman Catholic Church

Trace this brief history of the Roman Catholic Church and learn how one of the oldest and largest branches of Christianity was established.

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We should all realize that while Catholics are not followers of Christ, they are programmed by their church starting at infancy. Anointing a new born into the church is church doctrine. Not Baptism in Christ. Because the infant doesn't choose Christ. The parents choose to align the newborn with their church.

They will never change their mind. We will never reach them. Only God can intercede.

When you encounter those who insist Christians are not eternally secure in Christ,that we can lose our Salvation,you are talking to a Catholic. Not a Christian.

Can We Lose Our Salvation?

Q: Doesn’t the Catholic Church teach that a Christian can lose his/her salvation? Doesn’t the Bible teach differently?

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Don't work to change the mind of the open or closet Catholics here.

We are secure in Christ forever. Something Catholics don't believe. When they don't believe what Jesus guaranteed from the cross you can rest assured they don't believe in Christ.

They believe in their church that programs them to believe what the church tells them about Jesus.

They're lost. Only God can change their minds and heart.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Of which your theological grandfather, Luther was

"That's because the RCC is led by devils." I wouldn't expect the devil to say anything else.

Shows how wrong Luther was.

God wouldn't have guided the devil to reveal His Canon of Scripture too the world - as He sis His Catholic Church . . .

 

[Behold]

Regular calvinism is also heresy even if they aren't hyper about it.

Absolutely

 

[MonoBiblical]

Absolutely

And I doubt very much that James White is one, but he is prone or was prone to thinking salvation is not choice when someone doesn't believe Jesus is God. The parable of the Good Samaritan proves otherwise. Obeying the laws is more important.

 

[nedsk]

Ignatius coined the term,Catholic church,but that's it.

St. Ignatius of Antioch, Apostolic Father who coined the term 'Catholic Church' honored Oct. 17

Born around the year 50 in Syria, Ignatius was an Apostolic Father of the Church, a disciple, with St. Polycarp, of St. John the Evangelist, and the third bishop of Antioch, the former See of Peter before he went to Rome.In 117 he was sentenced to death by the Emperor Trajan and arrested in Ant...

catholicnewsherald.com

Jesus did not found the Catholic church.Jesus is the rock upon which his church is grounded. As foretold of
Him in the Old Testament as well as the New.
Jesus did not advocate his Mother as Co-Redemptrix ,he did not ever teach
Limbo,Purgatory, Indulgences,reverence for relics, prayers to the dead as intercessors for the living, baptism of newborns, sprinkling as baptism,
and he certainly never taught we can fall from grace yet be restored through the acts of a priest. And he certainly would never approve the manufacture of and then cursing the 5 solas of faith.

"According to "The Moody Handbook of Theology," the official beginning of the Roman Catholic church occurred in 590 C.E., with Pope Gregory I. "

Trace the History of the Roman Catholic Church

Trace this brief history of the Roman Catholic Church and learn how one of the oldest and largest branches of Christianity was established.

www.learnreligions.com

We should all realize that while Catholics are not followers of Christ, they are programmed by their church starting at infancy. Anointing a new born into the church is church doctrine. Not Baptism in Christ. Because the infant doesn't choose Christ. The parents choose to align the newborn with their church.

They will never change their mind. We will never reach them. Only God can intercede.

When you encounter those who insist Christians are not eternally secure in Christ,that we can lose our Salvation,you are talking to a Catholic. Not a Christian.

Can We Lose Our Salvation?

Q: Doesn’t the Catholic Church teach that a Christian can lose his/her salvation? Doesn’t the Bible teach differently?

catholiceducation.org

Don't work to change the mind of the open or closet Catholics here.

We are secure in Christ forever. Something Catholics don't believe. When they don't believe what Jesus guaranteed from the cross you can rest assured they don't believe in Christ.

They believe in their church that programs them to believe what the church tells them about Jesus.

They're lost. Only God can change their minds and heart.

Oh course Jesus founded a church and he even said on Peter he will build MY church. What I love most is when you people have to explain why what is clearly written doesn't mean what the words say. It's like a game show and I love watching. So I either listen to your "explanation" or I can just read the words, and since God gave me brain with a connected brain stem, I can understand the meaning without your "explanation".

 

[ProverbsInPink]

The other member knows only how to spout insults and never posts anything of substance...

That's a lie. You're not able to accept the truth of God in Christ. Which is why you deny the posts I've shared that reiterate Christ giving us eternal irrevocable Salvation.
You're the living lost dead in your sins
Which is why you cannot understand the good news
And is why you slander God's faithful.
Your name is not at all a reflection of what you believe.

but I suppose it's still a good idea to reply to her. Others ARE reading along.
I've had to stop.

I'l be ignoring you and the other open Catholics here after this.
Your arguments intend to lead us from the truth of Christ. You are a shame for making such an effort as that.

But God sees it. And you'll answer for every word.

 

[GodsGrace]

Because it matters not what happened after Paul left when all you false teachers popped up.

I'm not one of those false teachers Big Boy.
I'm not THAT old.

There WERE teachers after the Apostles.
How do you think Christianity was disseminated?

Acts 20:27-30
For I have not shunned to declare unto you all the counsel of God.
Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
For I know this, that after my departing shall grievous wolves enter in among you, not sparing the flock.
Also of your own selves shall men arise, speaking perverse things, to draw away disciples after them.

The RCC is an example of what NOT to believe as they teach doctrines of demons and the darkened wisdom of fallen man as though it were the wisdom of the Lord.

Could you please explain what the counsel of the Lord is?

And yes, many wolves did enter into the church....
The CC was there at the time.
It's the CC that dispelled heresies....
which church do you think debunked arianism?

As to the doctrines of demons....
probably every denomination teaches something that is not taugth,
however I don't see any doctrines of demons in the CC.

Jesus and His Apostles never taught anyone to practice idolatry by praying to His momma View attachment 72822

Mary was revered by all the early believers.
This is a fact which can easily be investigated.
Not everything is in the NT.
John said so.

John 21:25
25 And there are also many other things which Jesus did, which if they were written in detail, I suppose that even the world itself would not contain the books that would be written.

No, actually it was the Lord Jesus thru the Holy Spirit that had all the extra books of heresies removed that the catholic cult tried to add in.

You'll have to provide written proof of the above.

The RCC claims they know better than the Lord Jesus

HOW is that?

Here's a shocker Big Boy....
Infants were baptized in the early church,,,
by the year 100 for sure.
But none of this interests you.
You could check it out...we have the internet now, it's so easy.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Ignatius coined the term,Catholic church,but that's it.

St. Ignatius of Antioch, Apostolic Father who coined the term 'Catholic Church' honored Oct. 17

Born around the year 50 in Syria, Ignatius was an Apostolic Father of the Church, a disciple, with St. Polycarp, of St. John the Evangelist, and the third bishop of Antioch, the former See of Peter before he went to Rome.In 117 he was sentenced to death by the Emperor Trajan and arrested in Ant...

catholicnewsherald.com

Jesus did not found the Catholic church.Jesus is the rock upon which his church is grounded. As foretold of
Him in the Old Testament as well as the New.
Jesus did not advocate his Mother as Co-Redemptrix ,he did not ever teach
Limbo,Purgatory, Indulgences,reverence for relics, prayers to the dead as intercessors for the living, baptism of newborns, sprinkling as baptism,
and he certainly never taught we can fall from grace yet be restored through the acts of a priest. And he certainly would never approve the manufacture of and then cursing the 5 solas of faith.

"According to "The Moody Handbook of Theology," the official beginning of the Roman Catholic church occurred in 590 C.E., with Pope Gregory I. "

Trace the History of the Roman Catholic Church

Trace this brief history of the Roman Catholic Church and learn how one of the oldest and largest branches of Christianity was established.

www.learnreligions.com

We should all realize that while Catholics are not followers of Christ, they are programmed by their church starting at infancy. Anointing a new born into the church is church doctrine. Not Baptism in Christ. Because the infant doesn't choose Christ. The parents choose to align the newborn with their church.

They will never change their mind. We will never reach them. Only God can intercede.

When you encounter those who insist Christians are not eternally secure in Christ,that we can lose our Salvation,you are talking to a Catholic. Not a Christian.

Can We Lose Our Salvation?

Q: Doesn’t the Catholic Church teach that a Christian can lose his/her salvation? Doesn’t the Bible teach differently?

catholiceducation.org

Don't work to change the mind of the open or closet Catholics here.

We are secure in Christ forever. Something Catholics don't believe. When they don't believe what Jesus guaranteed from the cross you can rest assured they don't believe in Christ.

They believe in their church that programs them to believe what the church tells them about Jesus.

They're lost. Only God can change their minds and heart.

The Catholic Church was founded in 590??

Explain to me how, only a dew years after Ignatius, we read in the document Martyrdom of Polycarp:
“When finally he concluded his prayer, after remembering all who had at any time come his way – small folk and great folk, distinguished and undistinguished, and the whole Catholic Church throughout the world – the time for departure came. So they placed him on an ass, and brought him into the city on a great Sabbath.”

The words, καθ ολης (katah-holos) are GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal”.

The phrase in The Martyrdom of Polycarp - which, by the way, is ALSO written in GREEK - would be horribly redundant, if not comical. It would go something like this:
"... and the whole whole throughout Church throughout the world ..."

The writer of this document was using it as a title and NOT just a description . . .
You guys REALLY need to buckle down and do your HOMEWORK . . .

 

[ProverbsInPink]

Do you read the New Testament?
Who do you think assembled it, which denomination that is around today?
The early Christians wroter the letters.
The NT was assembled in about the 4th century.
Which denomination was around back then?

We're speaking about Christianity here, not Judaism.
If it were not for the CC there would be no Christianity with all the heretical teachings that had to be fought in the early church.

And, you might remember the spread of Isalm - reaching even into Europe.
Which denomination stopped Islam from spreading?




I think you should learn what a cult is.




So are Calvinists Christian?

And Mary is deserving of our respect and admiration.
She's the mother of Lord Jesus...
yes sir,,,the Mother of God.

God has no mother.

 

[GodsGrace]

God has no mother.

Then Jesus is not God.

 

[BreadOfLife]

God has no mother.

That's funny, because the Bible says He DOES . . .
(Matt. 13:55, Mark 6:3, John 2:1, John 19:25)

Mary is the Mother of Jesus
Jesus is GOD:
(Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 9:6, Matt. 4:7, John 1:1, John 1:3, John 8:58, John 10:30, John 14:9, John 20:28, 2 Corinthians 4:4, Phil. 2:6, Col. 2:9, 1 Tim. 3:16, Heb. 1:8, Titus 2:13, Rev. 22:13)

 

[LoveYeshua]

The catholics probably think Mary and Joseph adopted their other children

It seems so, Mary was a woman after all and she was married. To me personally is seems quite possible she had more children, It removes nothing of her character and her status.

 

[Behold]

And I doubt very much that James White is one, but he is prone or was prone to thinking salvation is not choice when someone doesn't believe Jesus is God. The parable of the Good Samaritan proves otherwise. Obeying the laws is more important.

The Law was given to expose us as a sinner, so that we would turn to Christ for Salvation.

Gal 3 """""for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.""""

So, we see that we can't be made rightoues by the Law, we can only be defined as a sinner and this is why the law is a curse to use.
This leads us to Christ, so that we can be forgiven and then receive "the GIFT of Righteouseness" from God.

 

[RomeSweetHome]

I will have to investigate why this discrepancy. Obviously syngenes is in the septuigant. I will have to find why the info I looked up is wrong. So I will apologize for posting bad info.

First, while the apology is welcome, this remarkably seems like yet another dodge! You identified "three Greek manuscripts" of the LXX. Please name them and/or link to them. You not doing so is yet further evidence that you either fabricated, or else deliberately spoke falsely, about the very text of Scripture. Clearly you have something specific in mind here. It shouldn't take more than a few minutes to sort this out (if you consulted these sources online, they should be in your recent internet history; if you {unlikely} have these manuscripts in hard copy, they should be at your literal fingertips). Provide the sources, and we can consult the five verses I cited previously to see if "syngenes" is in those three Greek manuscripts."

Second, you have repeatedly and mercilessly mocked those who disagree with you here, including their failure to grasp "simple rules of grammar" and otherwise understand Scripture in its original language. Yet you post "bad info" about something as simple as the very words of the text. For your own sake, you really should stop. Mathew 7:2 ("For with the judgment you make you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get."). And at minimum, you should come clean about this "discrepancy" of yours.

But this is even more damning evidence for th eRomanist position that James , Joses, Simon and Judah and at least two adelphoi are merely cousins and not biological family.
for if this is correct (and for now I do not doubt, Blue letter bible is a very reliable source) it just means that syngenes was even more common and well known. God would not have made that mistake in inspiration.

This doesn't make sense. The point is that, as a matter of acceptable usage in Koine Greek, "brother" can be used for "cousin" or other, non-biological-sibling relation. There's no "mistake" in inspiration. The only "mistake" would be modern readers' in missing this semantic point. Even the Chicago Statement on inerrancy--so far as I understand, the "canonical" formulation of evangelicals' view of Scripture's inspiration and authority--affirms that God used the authors' linguistic and grammatical conventions and didn't override them and that it is a mistake to apply modern conventions to interpret Scripture:

We affirm that God in His Work of inspiration utilized the distinctive personalities and literary styles of the writers whom He had chosen and prepared. We deny that God, in causing these writers to use the very words that He chose, overrode their personalities. . . . We deny that it is proper to evaluate Scripture according to standards of truth and error that are alien to its usage or purpose.

As others and I pointed out to you previously, such usage is apparent in the LXX. As another example (besides the one from Tobit 7), consider 1 Chronicles 23:21-22--"υἱοὶ Μεραρι Μοολι καὶ Μουσι υἱοὶ Μοολι Ελεαζαρ καὶ Κις καὶ ἀπέθανεν Ελεαζαρ καὶ οὐκ ἦσαν αὐτῷ υἱοὶ ἀλλ᾽ ἢ θυγατέρες καὶ ἔλαβον αὐτὰς υἱοὶ Κις ἀδελφοὶ αὐτῶν" ("The sons of Merari; Mooli, and Musi: the sons of Mooli; Eleazar, and Kis. And Eleazar died, and he had no sons, but daughters: and the sons of Kis, their brothers, married them.").

Sources contemporaneous with the drafting of the New Testament corroborate this usage. Consider Josephus, War of the Jews, 6.356-57, from about AD 75, which uses these terms interchangeably:

Κατὰ ταύτην τὴν ἡμέραν οἵ τε Ἰζάτου βασιλέως υἱοὶ καὶ ἀδελφοί, πρὸς οἷς πολλοὶ τῶν ἐπισήμων δημοτῶν ἐκεῖ συνελθόντες, ἱκέτευσαν Καίσαρα δοῦναι δεξιὰν αὐτοῖς. Ὁ δὲ καίτοι πρὸς πάντας τοὺς ὑπολοίπους διωργισμένος οὐκ ἤλλαξε τὸ ἦθος, δέχεται δὲ τοὺς ἄνδρας. Καὶ τότε μὲν ἐν φρουρᾷ πάντας εἶχε, τοὺς δὲ τοῦ βασιλέως παῖδας καὶ συγγενεῖς δήσας ὕστερον εἰς Ῥώμην ἀνήγαγεν πίστιν ὁμήρων παρέξοντας.

On the same day the sons and brothers of king Izates, along with many other top people, gathered and begged Caesar to give them safe passage. Despite his anger at all the rest, he did not lay aside his old fairness, but received these men. He kept them all in custody, but chained the king's sons and relatives and led them with him to Rome, as hostages for their country's fidelity to the Romans.

Far from being "damning" to the historical (i.e., Catholic and Orthodox) understanding, this usage in Koine both explains and reinforces why, once again, we can clearly identify in writing (outside of Scripture itself, which confirms the dogma) the belief in the perpetual virginity, and the understanding that the "brothers" of Jesus were not his biological siblings, as early as the first half of the second century AD.

I could go on, but let me pause there and ask--given the weight of both the textual and historical evidence, what is your basis for continuing to deny the truth of the dogma?

 

[MonoBiblical]

The Law was given to expose us as a sinner, so that we would turn to Christ for Salvation.

The law was given to decrease sin. Was Job a sinner, or just ignorant of his friends lacking productivity?

 

[Behold]

The law was given to decrease sin.

THe Law was given to show you that you are a sinner, = unrighteous.
The LAW reveals this about you .......>"All have sinned there is none righteous....no not one"..

THe Cross was given to solve that for you, as the Law leads you to understand what you are before God, so that you turn to Christ for forgivness and Salvation.

Was Job a sinner, or just ignorant of his friends lacking productivity?

JOB lived before Moses Law was given, so, He was not under the Law of Moses.

He was here.....

= "where there is no Law, there is no Transgression, (sin)".

See, its the Law that defines your Lust committed as a sin.
THis is the """curse of the Law."""

THe born again are """NOT under the LAW.......but Under Grace""""".

 

[Behold]

we can clearly identify in writing (outside of Scripture itself,

 

[Ronald Nolette]

NOT according to some of the earliest Church documents.

Ignatius of Antioch - a student of the Apostle John and a FIRST century Bishop wrote in his Letter to the Smyrnaeans:
Ignatius of Antioch
"Follow your bishop, every one of you, as obediently as Jesus Christ followed the Father. Obey your clergy too as you would the apostles; give your deacons the same reverence that you would to a command of God. Make sure that no step affecting the Church is ever taken by anyone without the bishop’s sanction. The sole Eucharist you should consider valid is one that is celebrated by the bishop himself, or by some person authorized by him. Where the bishop is to be seen, there let all his people be; just as, wherever Jesus Christ is present, there is the Catholic Church" (Letter to the Smyrneans 8:2 [A.D. 110]).

Let’s see . . .
“Follow your bishop"
“Obey your clergy”
“sole Eucharist"

Gee - WHAT Church today does that sound like??

A few years later, in The Martyrdom of Polycarp, the term, "Catholic Church" is used as a TITLE, and not just a description:

“When finally he concluded his prayer, after remembering all who had at any time come his way – small folk and great folk, distinguished and undistinguished, and the whole Catholic Church throughout the world – the time for departure came. So they placed him on an ass, and brought him into the city on a great Sabbath.”

The words, καθ ολης (katah-holos) is GREEK for “according to the whole” and “universal”.

The phrase in The Martyrdom of Polycarp - which, by the way, is ALSO written in GREEK - would be horribly redundant, if not comical. It would go something like this:
"... and the whole whole throughout Church throughout the world ..."

No - it's ALWAYS been the "Catholic Church . . .

Sorry, but you added the capitals to these letters. Greek was written in uncial or all capital letters in the first centuries. So no it has not always been the "C"atholic church. It has always been teh "c"atholic church It became the "C"atholic sect much later when the church consolidated spiritual and political power.







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• Early Christianity was characterized by a variety of groups and interpretations of religious texts, leading to the emergence of various sects such as Gnosticism, Ebionism, and others.
  
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• These sects often had differing beliefs, practices, and interpretations of core doctrines, which contributed to the diversity within the early Christian movement.
  
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• The early Christian community struggled to maintain unity while addressing theological questions and differing cultural contexts, which further contributed to the complexity of early Christianity.
  
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  This diversity reflects the early church's efforts to adapt to various beliefs and practices as it spread throughout the Roman Empire.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

How so?

PLEASE continue with this nonsense because it is SO easily debunkable

Read the two Babylons. I know the Roman hierarchy considers it heretical but read it anyway.

But here are a few things of Mary that have roots in ancinet religions:

The title “Queen of Heaven” has long been associated with Mary, but it, too, has pagan origins. In ancient Babylon, the goddess Ishtar was worshipped as the Queen of Heaven, a title later used for the Virgin Mary in Christian hymns and prayers.

Mary, Mother of Jesus: The Cosmic Queen and Her Pagan Origins

Mary, the mother of Jesus, is perhaps one of the most instantly recognizable figures in Western religious iconography. From Renaissance paintings to illuminated manuscripts, her serene face and iconic…

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Yes, there were virgin goddesses in ancient religions, particularly in Greek and Roman mythology. Notable examples include:

• Hestia: The Greek goddess of the hearth and home, known for her perpetual virginity.
  
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• Artemis: The Greek goddess of the wilderness and hunt, also associated with virginity.
  
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• Vesta: The Roman equivalent of Hestia, known for her virginity and role in the Vestal Virgins.
  
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• Diana: Another Roman goddess associated with virginity, particularly in her worship by the Vestal Virgins.
  
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  These goddesses were revered for their virginity and were often depicted as symbols of purity and independence in their respective cultures.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Right they won't perish as long as they DO the will of the father.

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my heavenly Father.

If can't thbwas sufficient there

too bad you didn't finish the quote from Jesus:

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

Jesus did not say " I knew you for awhile, but don't know you now!" He said INEVER KNEW YOU!

John 6:28-29

King James Version

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28 Then said they unto him, What shall we do, that we might work the works of God?
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, This is the work of God, that ye believe on him whom he hath sent.

John 6:40
And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jesus told us what the will and works we must do to have eternal life!