Paul did not preach the gospel of the kingdom as Jesus did. Jesus preached that the earthly Davidic kingdom was at hand. It wont be preached until the tribulation
WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?
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[Act 1:3, 6 KJV] 3 To whom also he shewed himself alive after his passion by many infallible proofs, being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God: ... 6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?...................It doesnt say what he said about the kingdom, but the apostles asked about the kingdom on earth
None of these verses state what Paul taught about the kingdom of God so how can you say it was the same as what Jesus said................................
[Act 14:22 KJV] 22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, [and] exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.
[Act 19:8 KJV] 8 And he went into the synagogue, and spake boldly for the space of three months, disputing and persuading the things concerning the kingdom of God.
[Act 20:25 KJV] 25 And now, behold, I know that ye all, among whom I have gone preaching the kingdom of God, shall see my face no more.
[Act 28:23, 31 KJV] 23 And when they had appointed him a day, there came many to him into [his] lodging; to whom he expounded and testified the kingdom of God, persuading them concerning Jesus, both out of the law of Moses, and [out of] the prophets, from morning till evening. ... 31 Preaching the kingdom of God, and teaching those things which concern the Lord Jesus Christ, with all confidence, no man forbidding him.
You've lost it, for what we've been ministering in this forum and out there is the Gospel of the New Testament.
Since Behold and your Gospel of salvation is of Paul's, therefore we've nothing in common.
The 12 disciples too are specific chosen vessels whom GOD THE FATHER personally chose from Heaven and gave them to Jesus.
Likewise, Paul was not chosen to do the Gospel discipled and commissioned to the 12 Apostles by Jesus before His ascension.
Disagree.
First of all, do you know the meaning of ' chosen vessel'??
For what Paul preached is from Christ and not his, since he's just a 'chosen vessel' carrying Christ's furthermore Gospel message.
Read the scripture properly, Paul is also sent to minister the 'children of Israel' as well, besides the Gentiles and kings.
Therefore what about those who gather in the house on the day of Pentecost, where Matthias was chosen to replace Judas Iscariot among the others there??
What about the 70 followers who Jesus chose and sent them 2 by 2 to proclaim the Gospel.??
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Hi Lambano....
Been watching different videos on YouTube re dispensationalism.
I've watched the below linked and I see now what you mean about how Israel MUST believed to be right, under all circumstances, in order for dispensationalism to be correct. He's also addressing the promises made to Isreal...which I had already picked up from there that this is also important to the teaching. It starts at about 25. but I doubt you need to listen to this....
amigo de christo
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Very deadly is this snare of interfaith and its peace in the middle east .
For many have not paid attention to what is in this message . OF which key leaders
have also said in the open and on stage for all to hear .
THE LIE . Its all about beleiving the lie . THAT IS THE GOAL of this merger .
This snare is being used to bring upon us the idea that all religoins are serving the same God
and that we must simply be and work as one for world peace n safety .
KEY leaders have even told all them false religoins on stage , not in corner , but live on stage
The lie that we all serve the same GOD differently and that all are serving the same GOD .
And sadly they been selling t his to christendom big time as well .
JESUS HAS BEEN DENIED . The dire need to BLEIEVE ON HIM to be saved , DENIED .
only an anti christ , whether cloaked in wool or not , WOULD DARE to say such a thing and imply such a lie .
YET many seem to be running right to this ecumenical whores cup of fornication .
WHY
for many have no idea that for at least twenty or thirty years THE churches as well as the false relgioins were
infiltrated by wise progressive men and women in order to remold them
and make them all ready to be as one , one mind , one heart , one peoples , one love , one unit y
one finding common ground . ONLY NONE OF IT IS UNDER GOD and has DENIED HIS CHRIST . we been lied too .
Dividing what Jesus taught from what Paul taught is dividing the church built upon the foundation which is Christ and doing exactly what both Paul and Jesus did NOT want.
1 Corinthians 1:10 Paul
10I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.
John 17:21 Jesus
21That they may all be one,,,
Luke 11:17 Jesus
17But he, knowing their thoughts, said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and a divided household falls.
It's a better translation to you Doug, because you believe in dispensatinalism.
What is interesting is that when the KJV was printed the ideology of dispensationalism
did not even exist.
It did not exist until 1830.
This alone gives me pause as to its verocity.
I do not trust any doctrine that came about in the recent past and was never taught before.
amigo de christo
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They pit apostel against apostle
and Even Christ against apostels and apostel against CHRIST .
Pauline is a wicked sister that paul would have thrown out the church .
But pauline is not the only dark and wicked sister .
I seen the two gospels , AS IF any of them TO INCLUDE JESUS
ever taught a different gospel to the jew or to the gentile .
MANY are in DISSUMALATION and have no idea they are .
AND EVEN WORSE
many are now being led into a great and mighty UNITY which cliams to be NON divisive
and claims to be not in dissumatlion
AND YET ITS THE CREAM of the CROP in its rebellion towards GOD , CHRIST and the true saints
W HICH conformed not to it .
ITS like we got us a delusion to merge THE DECIEVED with the DECIEVED and all right
to the day of perdtion . I just never seen anything like this at all . AND wow the number of them that are
buying into it IS Uncountable now .
So why did Jesus say to repent?
Are we supposed to repent NOW for something that is going to happen in the far future?
AT HAND means it is imminent.
In fact, from that time, Jesus began to preach.
Matthew 4:17
17 From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand."
amigo de christo
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Did he actually just say JESUS did not preach the same gospel as did paul . WHO does HE think
Gave paul , and all the apostels before paul , THE VERY SAME GOSPEL HE DID preach .
Now he might next try and say
BUT HEY JESUS never preached HIS death , and ressurection .
BUT what i say to one i say to all . HE SURE DID
and more than once. ITS JUST the UNDERSTANDING of this was kept from them
TILL AFTER HE R OSE from the d ead .
JESUS DID preach HIS suffering , his gospel to include his death and ressurection to them .
And that was the same gospel peter preached to them
and later to the gentiles peter preached the same one
And paul who once persecuted that gospel , was not given another gospel ,
BUT ACTUALLY RECIEVED THE SAME ONE GOSPEL they all had for both jew and gentile BY revelation OF CHRIST .
amigo de christo
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Beware the doctrines of men .
And not just the recent ones either .
For even in the days of peter , of john and of james
Even in the days of paul , already WERE MEN at work to draw from within
and make desciples after them and not AFTER CHRIST .
I have seen even some very OLD wicked and sinistir teachings that ought never once
had been uttered by man , LET ALONE one in wool .
Believing Hebrews are the same as believing gentiles, we are ALL one in Christ, no slave no free..no Jew no gentile, no male no female but ALL are one...I'm sure you know the scriptures here. We are baptized into ONE body so, it is very hard to understand where you are coming from.
amigo de christo
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Exactly dear sister .
Yet some are teaching DISSUMLATION and do seperate the jew from the gentile .
Peter and baranbas and o thers had fallen for it but they were quickly corrected and repented .
WE ARE ONE in JESUS sister . exactly .
By KINGDOM ON EARTH you mean some future kingdom that comes about at the end of the world.
All Christians believe in this...some call it the New Jerusalem.
What I'M speaking about is the Kingdom of God right here right now.
If you don't believe Jesus meant to establish a better world by teaching a change of heart, I'm not going to debate it.
When Jesus taught the Disciples to pray He said:
YOUR KINGDOM COME
ON EARTH
AS IT IS IN HEAVEN....
Clearly, without delving into more, Jesus meant that the Kingdom of heaven was to be also on earth.
The Kingdom of God is a reality right now for those that believe in Him.
Jesus said that we will have tribulation,,,
but He has overcome tribulation.
It seems to me that dispensatinalism is attempting to avoid tribulation since the rapture goes hand in hand with this teaching. This is not what Jesus taught.
Jesus established the Kingdom of God here, by His sovereign rule over his believers.
This is happening now in a spiritual sense and will come to fruition in the future, as I've said several times now.
Those that wish to live in this Kingdom must follow Jesus and keep His commandments.
We are ALREADY seated in heavenly places:
Ephesians 2:6
5 even when we were dead in our transgressions, made us alive together with Christ (by grace you have been saved ),
6 and raised us up with Him, and seated us with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus,
We are to SEEK the Kingdom NOW:
Matthew 6:32-33
32 "For the Gentiles eagerly seek all these things; for your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things.
33 "But seek first His kingdom and His righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.
I say the verses that are translated as dispensation are better than translating it as stewardship because of context. Look at the verses where KJV uses stewardship
[Luk 16:1-3 KJV] 1 And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods. 2 And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship; for thou mayest be no longer steward. 3 Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.
A steward manages the affairs of a household and therefore has a stewardship. I see these verses as being the only ones where translating the word as stewardship fits.
If dispensationalism adheres to scripture it should be considered
Lets look at a simple example of dispensations..............God judged the world by bringing the flood. This was how he was dealing with mankind. Then he said he would not judge the world anymore by a flood. Two dispensations here in how he dealt with mankind.
Furthermore, God gave Noah commandments.................[Gen 6:22 KJV] 22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he...........he gave commandments to Noah NOT us. That in a nutshell is dispensationalism and right division
Jesus commanded Israel to repent and believe he was their Messiah, the Son of God who would fulfill all their promises and usher in their earthly kingdom.
We weren't promised their earthly kingdom. Paul revealed we have an inheritance in the heavenly kingdom
The kingdom would have been given them if they received Jesus, but they rejected him
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Just saying people apply a lot of the verses in Hebrews to themselves and lose assurance of salvation because they don't know Hebrews was not written to, or about, the body of Christ
There are some verses in Hebrews that ARE specifically for the Hebrews, which is why I never use them in the OSAS discussions.
However, I'd say that the rest of Hebrews is for everyone that is in the New Covenant
and anyone can be in the New Covenant.
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