WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?

[GodsGrace]

I say the verses that are translated as dispensation are better than translating it as stewardship because of context. Look at the verses where KJV uses stewardship
[Luk 16:1-3 KJV] 1 And he said also unto his disciples, There was a certain rich man, which had a steward; and the same was accused unto him that he had wasted his goods. 2 And he called him, and said unto him, How is it that I hear this of thee? give an account of thy stewardship; for thou mayest be no longer steward. 3 Then the steward said within himself, What shall I do? for my lord taketh away from me the stewardship: I cannot dig; to beg I am ashamed.

A steward manages the affairs of a household and therefore has a stewardship. I see these verses as being the only ones where translating the word as stewardship fits.

If dispensationalism adheres to scripture it should be considered

Lets look at a simple example of dispensations..............God judged the world by bringing the flood. This was how he was dealing with mankind. Then he said he would not judge the world anymore by a flood. Two dispensations here in how he dealt with mankind.
Furthermore, God gave Noah commandments.................[Gen 6:22 KJV] 22 Thus did Noah; according to all that God commanded him, so did he...........he gave commandments to Noah NOT us. That in a nutshell is dispensationalism and right division

Could you reply to my post no. 631?

This dispensationalism makes it sound like God keeps trying different methods...
maybe doesn't like one
or maybe changes His mind...
and then tries something else.

As to the commandments to Noah...
Could you please post them and then explain why they do NOT apply to us?

Did Jesus teach something different?

 

[Doug]

By KINGDOM ON EARTH you mean some future kingdom that comes about at the end of the world.
All Christians believe in this...some call it the New Jerusalem.

Jesus will establish the kingdom at the end of the tribulation

Christ will sit on David's throne in Jerusalem and reign for a thousand years................[2Sa 7:12-13, 16 KJV] 12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. ... 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.
[Psa 132:11 KJV] 11 The LORD hath sworn [in] truth unto David; he will not turn from it; Of the fruit of thy body will I set upon thy throne.
[Isa 9:7 KJV] 7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

The believing Jews will enter the kingdom along with some of the Gentile nations (the Gentile nations will enter based on how they treated Israel in the tribulation). Israel will be a blessing to the nations and lead them to God............[Isa 60:3 KJV] 3 And the Gentiles shall come to thy light, and kings to the brightness of thy rising.
[Isa 61:6 KJV] 6 But ye shall be named the Priests of the LORD: [men] shall call you the Ministers of our God: ye shall eat the riches of the Gentiles, and in their glory shall ye boast yourselves.
[Zec 8:23 KJV] 23 Thus saith the LORD of hosts; In those days [it shall come to pass], that ten men shall take hold out of all languages of the nations, even shall take hold of the skirt of him that is a Jew, saying, We will go with you: for we have heard [that] God [is] with you.

The kingdom is not the New Jerusalem. That city comes down after the kingdom.................[Rev 21:1-2 KJV] 1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. 2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

 

[Doug]

When Jesus taught the Disciples to pray He said:
YOUR KINGDOM COME
ON EARTH
AS IT IS IN HEAVEN....

Clearly, without delving into more, Jesus meant that the Kingdom of heaven was to be also on earth.

Right

 

[Doug]

The Kingdom of God is a reality right now for those that believe in Him.
Jesus said that we will have tribulation,,,
but He has overcome tribulation.

It seems to me that dispensatinalism is attempting to avoid tribulation since the rapture goes hand in hand with this teaching. This is not what Jesus taught.

[Mat 13:21 KJV] 21 Yet hath he not root in himself, but dureth for a while: for when tribulation or persecution ariseth because of the word, by and by he is offended.......................There is more than one reading of tribulation. Here is the tribulation that comes from persecution

[Mat 24:21 KJV] 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.............here is the great tribulation in Revelation.

Revelation revolves around Israel. Its called Jacobs trouble. There is a prophecy in Daniel about it and the church the body of Christ is not in it, its all about Israel......................
Daniel 9:24-27
The seventy weeks of Daniel are found in Daniel 9:24-27. This prophecy outlines a timeline of 490 years, divided into three periods: seven weeks (49 years), sixty-two weeks (434 years), and the final week of seven weeks. The prophecy is significant as it relates to the coming of the Messiah and the events leading up to His arrival, including the rebuilding of Jerusalem and the establishment of His kingdom.

GotQuestions.org+4

 

[Doug]

However, I'd say that the rest of Hebrews is for everyone that is in the New Covenant
and anyone can be in the New Covenant.

The new covenant is for Israel NOT everybody................[Jer 31:31 KJV] 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

The new covenant is not the new testament. The new testament involves the death of Jesus and his shed blood to forgive the sins of Israel..................[Mat 26:28 KJV] 28 For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins..........the MANY is Israel.....................[Heb 9:15 KJV] 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance..................it was not until Paul that it was revealed his death and blood would be applied to us as well

 

[Doug]

Could you reply to my post no. 631?

I did but here it is...................
Jesus commanded Israel to repent and believe he was their Messiah, the Son of God who would fulfill all their promises and usher in their earthly kingdom.
We weren't promised their earthly kingdom. Paul revealed we have an inheritance in the heavenly kingdom

The kingdom would have been given them if they received Jesus, but they rejected him

 

[Doug]

This dispensationalism makes it sound like God keeps trying different methods...
maybe doesn't like one
or maybe changes His mind...
and then tries something else.

That is just not the case.

 

[Doug]

As to the commandments to Noah...
Could you please post them and then explain why they do NOT apply to us?

[Gen 7:1-5 KJV] 1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that [are] not clean by two, the male and his female. 3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth. 4 For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights; and every living substance that I have made will I destroy from off the face of the earth. 5 And Noah did according unto all that the LORD commanded him.

God did not tell us to do this he told Noah. We arent looking for the flood

 

[Doug]

Did Jesus teach something different?

Teach something different than what

 

[Marvelloustime]

Exactly dear sister .
Yet some are teaching DISSUMLATION and do seperate the jew from the gentile .
Peter and baranbas and o thers had fallen for it but they were quickly corrected and repented .
WE ARE ONE in JESUS sister . exactly .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

There are some verses in Hebrews that ARE specifically for the Hebrews, which is why I never use them in the OSAS discussions.

However, I'd say that the rest of Hebrews is for everyone that is in the New Covenant
and anyone can be in the New Covenant.

Because you BELEIVE OSAS is why you make such cliams . I did try and tell you
that i expose everyones error my friend .
Let us simply learn and beleive what is written . let us not pick and choose as do many .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Very deadly is this snare of interfaith and its peace in the middle east .
For many have not paid attention to what is in this message . OF which key leaders
have also said in the open and on stage for all to hear .
THE LIE . Its all about beleiving the lie . THAT IS THE GOAL of this merger .
This snare is being used to bring upon us the idea that all religoins are serving the same God
and that we must simply be and work as one for world peace n safety .
KEY leaders have even told all them false religoins on stage , not in corner , but live on stage
The lie that we all serve the same GOD differently and that all are serving the same GOD .
And sadly they been selling t his to christendom big time as well .
JESUS HAS BEEN DENIED . The dire need to BLEIEVE ON HIM to be saved , DENIED .
only an anti christ , whether cloaked in wool or not , WOULD DARE to say such a thing and imply such a lie .
YET many seem to be running right to this ecumenical whores cup of fornication .
WHY
for many have no idea that for at least twenty or thirty years THE churches as well as the false relgioins were
infiltrated by wise progressive men and women in order to remold them
and make them all ready to be as one , one mind , one heart , one peoples , one love , one unit y
one finding common ground . ONLY NONE OF IT IS UNDER GOD and has DENIED HIS CHRIST . we been lied too .

@amigo de christo

 

[GodsGrace]

Because you BELEIVE OSAS is why you make such cliams . I did try and tell you
that i expose everyones error my friend .
Let us simply learn and beleive what is written . let us not pick and choose as do many .

I don't believe in OSAS.

 

[GodsGrace]

Teach something different than what

Did Jesus teach something different than the Noahic Commandments?

This is what I stated in post no. 641:

As to the commandments to Noah...
Could you please post them and then explain why they do NOT apply to us?

Did Jesus teach something different?


IOW,,,God always taught all mankind the same rules.

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't believe in OSAS.

okay my friend . to the trenches the hour is late .

 

[amigo de christo]

Did Jesus teach something different than the Noahic Commandments?

This is what I stated in post no. 641:

As to the commandments to Noah...
Could you please post them and then explain why they do NOT apply to us?

Did Jesus teach something different?


IOW,,,God always taught all mankind the same rules.

Every lovely word of the LORD is meat for our soul . To the trenches one and all .

 

[Fred J]

Dividing what Jesus taught from what Paul taught is dividing the church built upon the foundation which is Christ and doing exactly what both Paul and Jesus did NOT want.

1 Corinthians 1:10 Paul
10I appeal to you, brothers, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you agree, and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same judgment.

John 17:21 Jesus
21That they may all be one,,,

Luke 11:17 Jesus
17But he, knowing their thoughts, said to them, “Every kingdom divided against itself is laid waste, and a divided household falls.

Amazing GodsGrace, in only few scripture quotes, Jesus said it and Paul who bear Jesus' name testified for Him, we agree it's grace the truth the Gospel message!

Glory, Honor and Praise be to our GOD because of our Lord Jesus Christ and the Holy Ghost, who prepare and send HIS servants.

Here itself we're witnessing that the Kingdom pertaining to the Holy Bible in context and sound doctrine 'spirit of truth' for one.

Apparently colliding with the kingdom pertaining to the Holy Bible, but in out of context and fall short in sound doctrine, 'spirit of error'.

We're gifted differently but we're to unite because of that one sound doctrine in the Holy Bible, defend and fight a good fight.

All for the sake of GOD's true born again lambs and sheep here who're witnessing, therefore they'll not go astray listening to 'heretics' or 'wanna be teachers'.

Shalom in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord

 

[Fred J]

Every lovely word of the LORD is meat for our soul . To the trenches one and all .

i agree to disagree a little, but am for you and not against, i too miss out things scripturally, and just take it as 'iron sharpens iron, thank you.

Readers, amigo de christo is like me and sometimes we tend to leave out a little to detail of the scripture and sound doctrine within, when we're on a roll.

Nevertheless by him it's a lesson for all in the body of Christ, as iron sharpens iron, we look out for each other and get the truth out for the sake of the Kingdom of GOD.

In this matter to be precise scripturally, indeed every lovely word of the LORD is 'meat' for our soul, but only for those matured discipled sheep or elders in church.

But also on the other hand, His lovely word is also 'milk' for the soul, but for the immature discipling lambs or babes in Christ in church.

Shalom in the name of Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Fred J]

What gospel is that please tell me

Am not sure which cave you've crawled out from, but nevertheless because of Lord Jesus Christ, i love you.

The New Testament is the Gospel of grace and truth, 'Glad Tiding' from above brought by Lord Jesus Christ, for those who are not born again and for those who are already born again church.

Ephesians 2:
20. And are built upon the foundation of the Apostles and Prophets, Jesus Christ Himself being the Chief Corner Stone;

It's the New Covenant GOD made with the Israelites first through Jesus Christ, where only a remnant of them saved under the election of grace.

Henceforth since majority of the Israelites have rejected and enemies of it, whilst not believing and receiving the Son, therefore the same New Covenant were made with the Gentiles as promised.

Scripturally is prophesied, for it is to cause jealousy among the Jews that now the Gentiles are worshiping their only true GOD.

So as Gentiles similar to the remnant then, both saved under the election of grace that day, to date we've got the Holy Bible as 'proof'.

Therefore the New Testament/Covenant/Agreement of GOD through Jesus Christ, we Gentile church have received, is the Gospel according to Matthew to the Revelation according to John.

Paul's given Gospel by Christ is in midst of it in 'addition' and in compilation, for the Jew and Gentile church saved under the election of grace.

For your deceived and twisted fall short gospel doctrine you preach, that the Jews have the 12 Apostles' gospel and the Gentiles have Paul's gospel, is to your own destruction and accursed.

Not too late, you can still come out of it and not wait another day, that which will not probably come.

 

[GodsGrace]

Jesus commanded Israel to repent and believe he was their Messiah, the Son of God who would fulfill all their promises and usher in their earthly kingdom.
We weren't promised their earthly kingdom. Paul revealed we have an inheritance in the heavenly kingdom

The kingdom would have been given them if they received Jesus, but they rejected him

So in the future KIngodom, which is what I believe you're speaking of....
only Jews will be there?
You said THEY were promised the earthly Kingdom (future).

Then you say it WOULD HAVE been given to them....
so now God is going to break His promise and give it to the Gentiles after all?
(it has to be inhabited by some peoples).