WHAT IS MEANT IN HEBREWS SAYING THERE IS NO MORE SACRIFICE FOR SINS?

[Doug]

It's called the Noahic Covenant.

Here are the Noahic commandments:



THE 7 LAWS



1 – Do not worship false gods

Acknowledge that there is only one G‑d who is Infinite and Supreme above all things. Do not replace
that Supreme Being with finite idols, be it yourself, or other beings. This command includes such acts as
prayer, study and meditation.

2 – Do not curse God.
Respect the Creator. As frustrated and angry as you may be, do not vent it by cursing your Maker.

3 – Do not murder.
Respect human life. Every human being is an entire world. To save a life is to save that entire world. To
destroy a life is to destroy an entire world. To help others live is a corollary of this principle.

4 – Do not be sexually immoral.
Respect the institution of marriage. Marriage is a most Divine act. The marriage of a man and a woman
is a reflection of the oneness of G‑d and His creation. Disloyalty in marriage is an assault on that
oneness.

5 – Do not steal.
Respect the rights and property of others. Be honest in all your business dealings. By relying on G‑d
rather than on our own conniving, we express our trust in Him as the Provider of Life.

6 – Do not eat a limb removed from a live animal.
Respect G‑d’s creatures. At first, Man was forbidden to consume meat. After the Great Flood, he was
permitted – but with a warning: Do not cause unnecessary suffering to any creature.

7 – Set up courts and bring offenders to justice.
Maintain justice. Justice is G‑d’s business, but we are given the charge to lay down necessary laws and
enforce them whenever we can. When we right the wrongs of society, we are acting as partners in the
act of sustaining the creation.

source: https://www.alephne.org/templates/articlecco_cdo/aid/4557274/jewish/The-Seven-Laws-of-Noah.htm

This is from your article............................The Noachide Laws are seven laws considered by rabbinic tradition as the minimal moral duties required by the Bible on all men. While Jews are obligated to observe the whole Torah – 613 commandments, every non-Jew is considered a “son of the covenant of Noah” and he who accepts these obligations is considered a righteous person who is guaranteed a place in the world to come.

This is Jewish tradition. They say we are "sons of the covenant" but Gentiles never were given covenants and Paul nowhere says we are under any covenant. They say we are saved unto eternal life by following this covenant.

This is still keeping the law and we arent under law.

This is the same error Israel committed. Israel thought that righteousness came by the law.......[Rom 9:31-32 KJV] 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

 

[Doug]

Who are the goats?

The goats on the left are those cursed unto eternal punishment

 

[GodsGrace]

This is from your article............................The Noachide Laws are seven laws considered by rabbinic tradition as the minimal moral duties required by the Bible on all men. While Jews are obligated to observe the whole Torah – 613 commandments, every non-Jew is considered a “son of the covenant of Noah” and he who accepts these obligations is considered a righteous person who is guaranteed a place in the world to come.

This is Jewish tradition. They say we are "sons of the covenant" but Gentiles never were given covenants and Paul nowhere says we are under any covenant. They say we are saved unto eternal life by following this covenant.

This is still keeping the law and we arent under law.

This is the same error Israel committed. Israel thought that righteousness came by the law.......[Rom 9:31-32 KJV] 31 But Israel, which followed after the law of righteousness, hath not attained to the law of righteousness. 32 Wherefore? Because [they sought it] not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;

Actually, we ARE required to keep the moral law.
The commandments are forever,,,eternal.

Commandments are not THE LAW.
Jesus mentioned the commandments.
We are to keep them in obedience to God.

THE LAW means the 613 which we are not required to keep.

 

[GodsGrace]

The goats on the left are those cursed unto eternal punishment

WHO are they?

WHY are they on His left?
Why are they goats and not sheep?

 

[Doug]

Preached AGAIN?
It states that the Kingdom will be preached starting as of Jesus' time.

Matthew 24:14
14 "This gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all the nations, and then the end will come.

It is common knowledge that once the whole world knows about the gospel...
then the end will come.

Yes preached again.
The gospel of the kingdom was to go to the whole world which included the Gentiles..................... [Mar 16:15 KJV] 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature........................This was stopped by Peter and the apostles here in Galatians where they decided to curtail their commandment to go to the world.............[Gal 2:9 KJV] 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.................The twelve abdicated their commandment to go to the Gentiles.
The gospel of the kingdom will again be preached in the tribulation.

 

[Doug]

Eschatology.
Sorry, I don't go there.

No concensus.

Ok but remember everyone can have consensus and all agree to error
No problem you decide what you want to discuss

 

[Doug]

Actually, we ARE required to keep the moral law.
The commandments are forever,,,eternal.

Commandments are not THE LAW.
Jesus mentioned the commandments.
We are to keep them in obedience to God.

THE LAW means the 613 which we are not required to keep.

It is one thing to adhere to the commandments because they please God and would align us with God's requirements for our behavior, but quite another to say they confer eternal life which your article does. We have the 10 commandments why do we need these others?

Jesus taught to keep the commandments for Israel to enter the kingdom

 

[Doug]

WHO are they?

WHY are they on His left?
Why are they goats and not sheep?

The goats are those of the Gentile nations who did not bless Israel in the tribulation, those that did are the sheep and will enter the kingdom

Jesus placed the sheep on his right and the cursed on his left to separate them

 

[GodsGrace]

Yes preached again.
The gospel of the kingdom was to go to the whole world which included the Gentiles..................... [Mar 16:15 KJV] 15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature........................This was stopped by Peter and the apostles here in Galatians where they decided to curtail their commandment to go to the world.............[Gal 2:9 KJV] 9 And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we [should go] unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.................The twelve abdicated their commandment to go to the Gentiles.
The gospel of the kingdom will again be preached in the tribulation.

Doug,
The Apostles went all over to preach the gospel message.
They did what Jesus told them to do.
Some stayed in Jerusalem,,,like James,,,and some left and went far - even toward Asia, can't remember if they made it all the way there.

The gospel of the Kingdom is being preached right now.
Jesus preached the Kingdom to come NOW...from His time.

 

[GodsGrace]

It is one thing to adhere to the commandments because they please God and would align us with God's requirements for our behavior, but quite another to say they confer eternal life which your article does. We have the 10 commandments why do we need these others?

Jesus taught to keep the commandments for Israel to enter the kingdom

If we adhere to requirements for our behavior then our behavior does save us.
Jesus taught that our behavior saves us....we must believe in God first, of course.

 

[GodsGrace]

The goats are those of the Gentile nations who did not bless Israel in the tribulation, those that did are the sheep and will enter the kingdom

Jesus placed the sheep on his right and the cursed on his left to separate them

Doug,
You need to read scripture in a plain and simple way and HEAR what is being said.

Those on the right are the RIGHTEOUS. They ACTED on the words/teachings of Jesus.
Those on the left are the UNRIGHTEOUS. They did NOT ACT on the words/teachings of Jesus.

Matthew 25:31-43
31 "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
34 "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;
36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.'
37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?
38 'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?
39 'When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'
40 "The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent * that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'
41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;
43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.'

 

[Fred J]

I cant find where you present the gospel, just a lot of verbiage
Here is my gospel .......Christ Jesus died for our sins and rose for our justification.

If that's your Gospel in short and you're going to Heaven by believing in that, then what's the point of the New Testament??

 

[Doug]

Doug,
The Apostles went all over to preach the gospel message.
They did what Jesus told them to do.
Some stayed in Jerusalem,,,like James,,,and some left and went far - even toward Asia, can't remember if they made it all the way there.

The gospel of the Kingdom is being preached right now.
Jesus preached the Kingdom to come NOW...from His time.

The gospel of the kingdom should not be preached today because the Davidic kingdom is not at hand

 

[Doug]

The Apostles went all over to preach the gospel message.
They did what Jesus told them to do.
Some stayed in Jerusalem,,,like James,,,and some left and went far - even toward Asia, can't remember if they made it all the way there.

Can you show me from scripture where the twelve apostles traveled

 

[Doug]

If we adhere to requirements for our behavior then our behavior does save us.
Jesus taught that our behavior saves us....we must believe in God first, of course.

Jesus preached that for eternal life they had only to believe on his name, that he was Christ, the Son of God...........................[Jhn 3:16, 18 KJV] 16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. ... 18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
To inherit the earthly kingdom they had to keep the commandments

We are saved by grace thru faith in Christ not by works........................[Eph 2:8-9 KJV] 8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: [it is] the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

 

[Doug]

Doug,
You need to read scripture in a plain and simple way and HEAR what is being said.

Those on the right are the RIGHTEOUS. They ACTED on the words/teachings of Jesus.
Those on the left are the UNRIGHTEOUS. They did NOT ACT on the words/teachings of Jesus.

Matthew 25:31-43
31 "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats;
33 and He will put the sheep on His right, and the goats on the left.
34 "Then the King will say to those on His right, 'Come, you who are blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
35 'For I was hungry, and you gave Me something to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me something to drink; I was a stranger, and you invited Me in;
36 naked, and you clothed Me; I was sick, and you visited Me; I was in prison, and you came to Me.'
37 "Then the righteous will answer Him, 'Lord, when did we see You hungry, and feed You, or thirsty, and give You something to drink?
38 'And when did we see You a stranger, and invite You in, or naked, and clothe You?
39 'When did we see You sick, or in prison, and come to You?'
40 "The King will answer and say to them, 'Truly I say to you, to the extent * that you did it to one of these brothers of Mine, even the least of them, you did it to Me.'
41 "Then He will also say to those on His left, 'Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels;
42 for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink;
43 I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.'

The verse says "All the nations will be gathered before Him; That is Gentile nations. Israel is not reckoned among the nations. Israel is a nation, singular.....................[Num 23:9 KJV] 9 For from the top of the rocks I see him, and from the hills I behold him: lo, the people shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations.

look at this verse.......................[Mat 25:40 KJV] 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.................inheriting the kingdom depended on how the Gentile nations treated Jesus's brethren which is Israel.

 

[Doug]

If that's your Gospel in short and you're going to Heaven by believing in that, then what's the point of the New Testament??

What do you mean by new testament.? I ask because people say the new testament and the new covenant are the same so I dont know which one you are referring to.
If you mean the new covenant, then that doesnt apply to us.
The new covenant will be made only with Israel....................[Jer 31:31 KJV] 31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:
God will cause Israel to keep the law...................[Eze 36:27 KJV] 27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do [them].
It wont go into effect til Israel is in all their land......................[Eze 36:24 KJV] 24 For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries, and will bring you into your own land.

Christ died and shed his blood for the new testament, It forgave Israel their past trespasses committed under the first testament.............................[Heb 9:15 KJV] 15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance....................Jesus died and shed his blood ONLY FOR ISRAEL, Paul revealed it was applied to us

 

[GodsGrace]

Can you show me from scripture where the twelve apostles traveled

That would require some work....
but you remind me of those that believe HISTORY ended with the book of Acts.

Where do YOU believe the apostles travelled?


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In the book of Acts, the apostles traveled extensively, with Peter remaining primarily in Jerusalem and surrounding areas like Judea and Samaria, while Paul undertook multiple missionary journeys across modern-day Turkey, Greece, Syria, and eventually to Rome. Their journeys moved the message of Christianity from its origin in Jerusalem out to the wider world and established churches in many regions.

source: AI



Meanwhile the holy apostles and disciples of our Saviour were dispersed throughout the world. Parthia, according to tradition, was allotted to Thomas as his field of labor, Scythia to Andrew, and Asia to John, who, after he had lived some time there, died at Ephesus. Peter appears to have preached in Pontus, Galatia, Bithynia, Cappadocia, and Asia to the Jews of the dispersion. And at last, having come to Rome, he was crucified head-downwards; for he had requested that he might suffer in this way. What do we need to say concerning Paul, who preached the Gospel of Christ from Jerusalem to Illyricum, and afterwards suffered martyrdom in Rome under Nero? These facts are related by Origen in the third volume of his Commentary on Genesis.[3]

source: Wikipedia

 

[GodsGrace]

The gospel of the kingdom should not be preached today because the Davidic kingdom is not at hand

Jesus said to teach all nations....
the Apostles began the dispersion of the Christian faith and it's continuing to this day.

NOWHERE does the NT state that the gospel should NOT be preached until the end of the world..or whenever it is that you believe the Kingdom of David will be a reality.

 

[GodsGrace]

The verse says "All the nations will be gathered before Him; That is Gentile nations. Israel is not reckoned among the nations. Israel is a nation, singular.....................[Num 23:9 KJV] 9 For from the top of the rocks I see him, and from the hills I behold him: lo, the people shall dwell alone, and shall not be reckoned among the nations.

look at this verse.......................[Mat 25:40 KJV] 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done [it] unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done [it] unto me.................inheriting the kingdom depended on how the Gentile nations treated Jesus's brethren which is Israel.

Some theologians believe INASMUCH AS YE HAVE DONE IT TO ONE OF THE LEAST OF THESE MY BRETHREN...YE HAVE DONE IT UNTO ME
is referring to the Apostels.

Jesus said ALL NATIONS will be judged.
Are you saying He made a mistake?
Maybe Jesus forgot about the prophecy in Numbers 23:9?

Matthew 25:31-32
31 "But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne.
32 "All the nations will be gathered before Him;