The end of believing as we know it.

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2bme

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So?

This is a fallen world where there is both good and evil. Charlie died believing what is good. But [all] die.

It is as I said: We all are just walking out who we are at our core--exposed as evidence. Then comes the Judgement.
If you look a little deeper you can't deny that it was one person with a belief who decided to silence another person with a belief. So it seems that our social conflicts will never end until our believing does.
 

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Re-link Later.
 
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If you look a little deeper you can't deny that it was one person with a belief who decided to silence another person with a belief. So it seems that our social conflicts will never end until our believing does.
The answer then, is not ignoring the Elephant in the room--the answer is to "know" the truth. "The truth will set you free."
 

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The answer then, is not ignoring the Elephant in the room--the answer is to "know" the truth. "The truth will set you free."
Your not addressing the topic or engaging with my ideas. You keep using Bible verses like buzzwords. If only I would accept Jesus and believe. Why do you care if I believe what you believe is true? You know that I can't actually do that; It's only God who can open the eyes of the blind. So what are you trying to achieve here?
 

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So do you believe that because there are all kinds of people in the world, some are interesting while others are not?
Who has ever proven that believing is something our brain can do? Do even know what believing is in itself? There is no belief area in your brain for processes the information you choose to believe. None.
 

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Your not addressing the topic or engaging with my ideas. You keep using Bible verses like buzzwords. If only I would accept Jesus and believe. Why do you care if I believe what you believe is true? You know that I can't actually do that; It's only God who can open the eyes of the blind. So what are you trying to achieve here?
And you--you are not listening or paying attention. I told you I don't "believe", but "know" what is true--personally (in person) from Him who I quoted.

You can believe it or not.
 

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When a person believes they are a Atheist they'd be wrong. Because they are believing they are a Atheist. Our human brain doesn't know what a belief is or how to process what we are telling it to accept as truth. We just end up damaging all the area's of our brain.
 
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And you--you are not listening or paying attention. I told you I don't "believe", but "know" what is true--personally (in person) from Him who I quoted.

You can believe it or not.
I am, yes very much so. If you really know now your belief in Jesus is absolutely true, then one of two things must have occurred. Either you 1: Accepted something you previously assumed to be true unequivocally by building up a solid body of evidence. Or 2: You accept something you assumed to be true by forcefully building up a body of beliefs.
 
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I am, yes very much so. If you really know now your belief in Jesus is absolutely true, then one of two things must have occurred. Either you 1: Accepted something you previously assumed to be true unequivocally by building up a solid body of evidence. Or 2: You accept something you assumed to be true by forcefully building up a body of beliefs.
No, that is wrong--and not at all what I said. But since you said that you have been listening and paying attention, you obviously have a limited ability to comprehend or intellectualize the difference between "believing" and "knowing"--which I have clarified for you now twice.

So, believe what you want. God will take it up with you directly.
 

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We are at a junction point that our beliefs and the want for believing must end. Our beliefs can not amend or fix what the facts are telling us. We can remain stubbornly fixed to our personal beliefs and continue accepting the reality that our assumptions about what's true must remain the same.

But I'm sure you've seen enough now to know that believing is getting us nowhere.
I get the idea that you are rubbing people up the wrong way and that you don't really care?

A nicer approach would be to say "One day I am going to meet God and this is what I think I'm going to say"

I don't say to you "you don't exist because I don't like what you say" - right?
 

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I get the idea that you are rubbing people up the wrong way and that you don't really care?

A nicer approach would be to say "One day I am going to meet God and this is what I think I'm going to say"

I don't say to you "you don't exist because I don't like what you say" - right?
There could be a creator, I'd hope there was one. But honestly I don't know now, I really don't know. That is not due to lack of seeking, it's due to lack of credible information.
 

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No, that is wrong--and not at all what I said. But since you said that you have been listening and paying attention, you obviously have a limited ability to comprehend or intellectualize the difference between "believing" and "knowing"--which I have clarified for you now twice.

So, believe what you want. God will take it up with you directly.
You haven't offered me one piece of evidence to prove that you actually know what you previously only believed to be true.
 

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Why is America split in two? Two sides of a social belief war.
 

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How are the left and right ever going to meet in the middle if each side will vehemently hold onto their political beliefs.
 

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Why is Donald Trump doing what so many claim as trashing the constitution of America? It's because he believes in something those people don't believe in.
 

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Why do so many people follow Donald Trump? Because they happen to believe in the same thing that Donald Trump believes.
 

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I get the idea that if we all believed the same thing we'd all be on the same page. But that has never happened successfully. But let's assume it was possible to have the whole world believe in the same thing. Let's say that you were able to map your particular beliefs on-to every man woman and childs brain. Everyone would then be identical in thinking to you. But then ask yourself this question: Who would you be if everyone had your exact same mind?
 
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