How Many Judgements Of Being Cast Into The Lake of Fire Are There?

[Spiritual Israelite]

Are we trying to determine how the implementation process for the Second Death will be administered?

No, this thread is about how many different judgment events there will be when people are cast into the lake of fire. I say there will be one, which means I believe verses like Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50, Matthew 25:41 and Revelation 20:15 all refer to the same event of all of the people whose names are not written in the book of life being cast into the lake of fire at the same time. How exactly that will be implemented or what that will look like is beyond the scope of what is being discussed.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

When Revelation 20:4 says Christ's elect LIVE and REIGN with Him for a "thousand years", that IS... pointing directly to Christ's future EARTHLY KINGDOM established on earth. Just that idea of LIVING WITH CHRIST is about His elect being with Him emphatically, and serving Him at His table, Ezekiel 44 reveals. And mention of the "camp of the saints" and "beloved city" on earth later at Rev.20:9 also reveals this.




See Ezekiel 37:24-25...

Ezek 37:24-25
24 And David My servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in My judgments, and observe My statutes, and do them.
25 And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob My servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and My servant David shall be their prince for ever.
KJV

Sounds like you need to do a lot... more Old Testament Bible study. The idea of a "king" means being over a 'kingdom'. And that is GOD Himself declaring that above. Can you figure out Who that "one shepherd" is about?




You'd first have to understand how Paul meant the idea "this mortal" in 1 Cor.15:54, which I already know you don't have a clue about. It's about the 'soul'. For the wicked after Jesus returns, ONLY the wicked and those who fell away will still have a "mortal" soul subject to the "second death".

As for humans in the flesh, nope. That time will be over on the day of Christ's future 2nd coming. All will be in their spirit bodies after the change at the twinkling of an eye, including the wicked. No more marriage nor having children either, as those things of this present time will be over and done with.




The above things I covered will exist, as written in God's Word. You're just not following what His Word shows, but instead what men say.



You failed to mention 2 Peter 3:9 with that on purpose, didn't you?

2 Peter 3:8-9
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
KJV

BOTH of those verses go together. Verse 9 is about the future REPENTANCE that some among the unsaved nations will do when they convert to Jesus in that future "thousand years", INCLUDING THE BLINDED JEWS WHICH GOD HIMSELF BLINDED AWAY FROM THE GOSPEL PER ROMANS 11!

And that is yet another... error that man's false Amil theory makes, showing it comes directly from the devil. That because Apostle Paul warned those in Christ TO NOT BE CONCEITED AGAINST THE UNBELIEVING JEWS, because when the fullness of the Gentiles comes in, God is going to REMOVE THE SPIRIT OF STUPOR He put upon the majority of Paul's brethren the unbelieving Jews, and THEN... they will convert to Jesus at His coming, and thus Paul says ALL ISRAEL SHALL BE SAVED!

But the Amil doctrine from the devil that you have latched onto instead shows NO MERCY FROM GOD to those unbelieving Jews of today's world, and instead claim they are all going to perish in the "lake of fire"! Only the devil would think that, especially after what Apostle Paul himself showed in Romans 11 about those unbelieving Jews being saved in final!

As usual, you are just spewing unhinged nonsense. No Amil has ever claimed that God has no mercy on unbelieving Jews of today's world. According to scripture, God wants all people, including all Jews, to be saved (1 Timothy 2:3-6). And there is always a remnant of believing Jews that God has mercy on (Romans 11:1-5). So, as always, all you are able to do is misrepresent Amil doctrine rather than actually refute it with scripture.

 

[Jay Ross]

No, this thread is about how many different judgment events there will be when people are cast into the lake of fire. I say there will be one, which means I believe verses like Matthew 13:41-42, Matthew 13:49-50, Matthew 25:41 and Revelation 20:15 all refer to the same event of all of the people whose names are not written in the book of life being cast into the lake of fire at the same time. How exactly that will be implemented or what that will look like is beyond the scope of what is being discussed.

When a person turns away from God and sins, they automatically become a candidate for the second death in the lake of fire.

How many times can a person sin and become a candidate over and over for the second death?

The answer is as many times as that person can repent and then sin again. In the story of King David, he became a candidate for the second death three times when he sinned and turned away from God's statutes. When King David confessed his sin of turning away from God, God heard his confession of turning away and accepted his repentance such that he was restored and was once again recorded as being in the Book of Life.

So, when we physically die, the outcome of our choices through life are recorded and when the time for the final reconning/judgement occurs, the previous judgement of our lives is reviewed and if we are deemed righteous, when we are in the Great White Throne Room, then we will receive our reward of everlasting life, but if we are deemed to have been unrighteous at the time of our physical death, then we will be dispatched into the Lake of fire.

In Ezekiel we are told that there will be two separations of one flock from another, i.e. those who call Jesus Lord, from those who do not call Jesus Lord, followed by the second separation of those who call Jesus Lord, of the righteous from the unrighteous, i.e. the separation of the Ram from the he goats where the righteous enter into eternal life while the unrighteous enter into the Lake of fire.

All of the determinations of the Godly character of a person will have already been made before we actually enter into The Great White Throne Room. However, when all of the people are gathered together in the GWTR, they will then hear of their determined punishment being read out and then administered.

It is we who determine our future when we finally accept or reject our relationship with Jesus/God.

Shalom

 

[Davy]

I'm not arguing they lived and reigned and were martyred after the thousand years. I'm quoting John who tells us they lived and reigned with Christ during this time period he writes as "a thousand years." They had to have been martyred before they physically died, because they were faithful unto death. They cannot be martyred after the thousand years, because it is after the seventh/last trumpet sounds that they shall be resurrected immortal & incorruptible. Once immortal & incorruptible they shall never die. And once they are immortal they shall live with Christ, not for one thousand years, but forever.

I'm just going by what you said in your post #53, your asking how could those saints be martyred 'after'... the thousand years. They aren't.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Go one step further with that 1 Corinthians 15:53-54 Scripture and look in the Greek to see the meaning of those KJV words "corruptible", "incorruption", "this mortal", and "immortality". They are 4 different Greek words that Apostle Paul used, and they each have a specific meaning, and it is this...

"corruptible" = flesh body
"incorruption" = the "spiritual body" or one's spirit
"this mortal" = a mortal liable to perish soul
"immortality" = deathlessness in Christ Jesus

When Jesus said those who reject Salvation through His Blood, they will die, what death was He ultimately pointing to, death of the flesh body, or death of the spirit & soul in the future "lake of fire"? Jesus was pointing to the latter event. Flesh is not what perishes at the future "second death". It's the spirit body with soul that perishes at the future "second death". The first death is the death of the flesh body.

Those walking around today alive on earth 'without' Faith on Lord Jesus Christ The Savior are literally dead inside their flesh, meaning their soul is in a mortal liable to perish condition. This is what Lord Jesus was showing with the unbelieving Pharisees, comparing them to whited tombs that appear clean outside, but inside are full of dead men's bones. When Lord Jesus returns, that condition will continue for those who still reject Lord Jesus Christ. Their souls will be still be mortal in the sense of still being liable to perish at the "second death". That is how... the idea of "the dead" is literally meant in Revelation 20, because on the day of Christ's 2nd coming, ALL... the dead will be resurrected, both the Just and the unjust.

I agree the martyred souls are those who were faithful unto death from Israel of Old, as well as those first century Jewish Christians martyred for their faith. I also agree these are the bodies of saints that came out of the graves after the resurrection of Christ. But they were not physical bodies, but a spiritual body of Christ who died in faith waiting for Christ to come to redeem them. And He did this by first descending into the graves to set the captives free and took them with Him when He ascended up to the Kingdom of God in heaven. They won't be physically alive again until the time that is coming when the last trumpet sounds that Christ has come again.

Some of that is not Biblical. All those who have died in the flesh have already been raised literally, and live unto God as spirits. That's who those "spirits in prison" of 1 Peter 3 are, and in 1 Peter 4 Peter said they live unto God now, meaning literally in the heavenly dimension.

The 'dead in the ground' theory is an old primitive Jewish doctrine that treats one's spirit and soul as if it were made up of fleshy material matter along with the flesh body. Our spirit & soul is not made up of material matter at all; it is made up of Spirit of that 'other' dimension called the heavenly. It's obvious that at the time of Moses, and before Jesus' 1st coming that most of the people wouldn't understand about the spirit & soul parts being of a totally different dimension that is non-material matter.

Many today still have a problem registering that idea in their mind. Yet these two different operations, the earthly and the heavenly, are shown in The New Testament Scriptures to be separate operations and dimension types. They have many parallels, yet one is a fleshy material matter existence, and the other one is an eternal non-material existence. Lord Jesus emphatically showed this in John 3, and so did Paul in 2 Cor.5 and 1 Cor.15.

Immortality belongs to physical flesh, not to spirit.

No, you've got it backwards. Our flesh is not what is saved by Christ. It is our spirit with soul that is saved. There is no salvation of the flesh.

Our flesh body decays back to the earthly material matter where it was taken from. And if you look at that Ecclesiastes 12:5-7 Scripture again, it points to the idea of a "silver cord" being severed at flesh death. That suggests that "silver cord" is what links our 'spirit' with our 'flesh' body, and at flesh death that "silver cord" is severed, and the two different parts go their separate ways. That means even while alive in a flesh body, our flesh and our spirit/soul are still separate components of our created being. In John 3 Jesus showed emphatically that flesh is born of flesh only, and that the spirit is born of Spirit, meaning the heavenly dimension of Spirit. Then in the next John 4 Chapter, John shows that GOD Himself is a Spirit.

So it sounds like your are missing... a whole lot of understanding about the two separate dimensions and two different attributes of existence, this earthly one compared to the heavenly one. Like Apostle Paul said in 1 Cor.15:49 that as we have borne the "image of the earthy," meaning a flesh body, we shall also bear the "image of the heavenly", meaning the "spiritual body" which is about our spirit being literally manifested in the heavenly dimension.

 

[Davy]

You aren't making a distinction between the spirit in man that gives us physical life, and the physical body that is destined to die.

Well, I actually DID make a distinction between our spirit and our flesh physical body, many times in fact, even quoting New Testament Scripture that proves it.


1 Cor 15:49-50
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV


So I don't know what you are going on about, except maybe that you just don't want to let go of that old theory from men's traditions about Soul Sleep, which is not Biblical.

 

[rwb]

I'm just going by what you said in your post #53, your asking how could those saints be martyred 'after'... the thousand years. They aren't.

But they would have to be if they are resurrected to physical life for one thousand years when Christ comes again.

Revelation 20:4 (KJV) And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. (past tense)

They were martyred for their faith during the time they lived and reigned with Christ. Since they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years, the thousand years cannot be literally one thousand years of time that shall begin when Christ comes again. To further prove this point, look at vs 6 which says there shall be others called blessed and holy that have part in the first resurrection, and overcome the second death, "they shall be (future tense) priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign (future) with Him a thousand years.

Revelation 20:6 (KJV) Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. (future tense)

How can there be martyrs of Christ who have lived and reigned and also others who are not among the martyred but who shall reign with Christ a thousand years? There is only one a/the thousand years when Satan is bound, the martyred lived and reigned, and also others who shall reign with Christ. And at the end of this time the rest of the dead, that is those who are not among the living and reigning with Christ, shall be called to stand before the GWTJ to give account according to what is found written in the books and the book of life. But before the GWTJ Satan shall be loosed from the pit for a little season then he too and whosoever is of him shall be destroyed by fire that shall come down from heaven to burn up this earth and every living thing upon it.

If the martyred are not killed while physically alive, how can they be martyrs after being resurrected immortal?

Go one step further with that 1 Corinthians 15:53-54 Scripture and look in the Greek to see the meaning of those KJV words "corruptible", "incorruption", "this mortal", and "immortality". They are 4 different Greek words that Apostle Paul used, and they each have a specific meaning, and it is this...

"corruptible" = flesh body
"incorruption" = the "spiritual body" or one's spirit
"this mortal" = a mortal liable to perish soul
"immortality" = deathlessness in Christ Jesus

Yes, this is almost exactly as I understand it, but the spiritual body is incorruptible through the Spirit of Christ in us. The spirit/soul of unsaved man shall be destroyed in the LOF. When man physically dies being in Christ, they are still a spiritual body of believers who are as the angels of God in heaven with the Lord, and can never die. They are living souls without human form. Because the spiritual life we receive when we have been born again is eternal, not immortal. That part of man that is eternal is spirit, the breath of life that gave our body physical life. When man's spirit returns to God after our flesh is dead, we do not cease from being spiritually alive with Christ through our spirit. When our body of flesh is resurrected when the last trumpet sounds, it is our spirit that returns with Christ that gives our flesh immortal life.

Matthew 22:30 (KJV) For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

1 Thessalonians 4:13-14 (KJV) But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.

With immortal body alive through our eternal spirit is resurrected, saints shall once again be complete living souls with body of flesh with the breath of life, spirit. Once again prepared to live forever with Christ on the new earth, that shall be after this first heaven and earth have passed away.

When Jesus said those who reject Salvation through His Blood, they will die, what death was He ultimately pointing to, death of the flesh body, or death of the spirit & soul in the future "lake of fire"? Jesus was pointing to the latter event. Flesh is not what perishes at the future "second death". It's the spirit body with soul that perishes at the future "second death". The first death is the death of the flesh body.

The whole man physically resurrected to life again shall be subject to the lake of fire that is the second death. Every living creature is destined to die from the fall, so ALL die once. Those who die without having been born again of Christ's Spirit shall remain in silence and darkness after death to know only the judgment they will be called to when they are called from the graves in an hour coming when the last trumpet sounds.

Hebrews 9:27-28 (KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

When Lord Jesus returns, that condition will continue for those who still reject Lord Jesus Christ. Their souls will be still be mortal in the sense of still being liable to perish at the "second death". That is how... the idea of "the dead" is literally meant in Revelation 20, because on the day of Christ's 2nd coming, ALL... the dead will be resurrected, both the Just and the unjust.

When Christ returns the second and only time, those who rejected Him in life (a thousand years) shall be judged and be cast into the lake of fire that is the second death.

Yes, as I've said, all the dead in the graves shall be bodily resurrected to life. Those who have done good resurrected immortal and incorruptible, and those who have done evil resurrected for the Judgment Day!

Rev 20 speaks only of the resurrection of Christ who is the "first resurrection" man must have part in before death to overcome the second death. And Rev 20 speaks of the bodily resurrection that shall be for ALL who are physically dead in the graves.

Continued

 

[rwb]

Some of that is not Biblical. All those who have died in the flesh have already been raised literally, and live unto God as spirits.

There is only one bodily resurrection of ALL flesh from the graves. That is an hour that is coming, when the last trumpet sounds that marks time for this earth shall be no longer, this is the last day of this age when time shall be no longer.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39 (KJV) And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

John 6:40 (KJV) And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:44 (KJV) No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:54 (KJV) Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 11:24 (KJV) Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

John 12:48 (KJV) He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Colossians 3:4 (KJV) When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

1 Peter 1:5 (KJV) Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

Romans 8:11 (KJV) But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

Philippians 3:20-21 (KJV) For our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall change our vile body, that it may be fashioned like unto his glorious body, according to the working whereby he is able even to subdue all things unto himself.

Revelation 10:5-7 (KJV) And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

The physically dead in Christ, just as John tells us, are living souls in heaven having eternal spiritual life they are a spiritual body of Christ in heaven just as they had been in life.

That's who those "spirits in prison" of 1 Peter 3 are, and in 1 Peter 4 Peter said they live unto God now, meaning literally in the heavenly dimension.

This passage shows us those disobedient people living in the days of Noah through the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead preached through His servant Noah to them. Their spirits have gone into prison/grave to be reserved for Judgment because in life they did not heed the words of God spoken through righteous Noah. Though God was patiently waiting while Noah prepared the ark, these all remained in disobedience with the exception of eight souls that were saved from the flood waters that came upon the whole earth.

1 Peter 3:18-20 (KJV) For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

The gospel is not preached to the physically dead. What purpose would be served since the spirit that gives man physical life has departed from the dead? We preach the gospel of the Kingdom of God to the spiritually dead, those who Paul tells us are dead in trespasses and sins. Not physically dead of course, but spiritually dead, in which we all are before we become saved. Mankind dies once, and if in unbelief, next comes the Judgment Day for them.

1 Peter 4:5-6 (KJV) Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead. For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.

The 'dead in the ground' theory is an old primitive Jewish doctrine that treats one's spirit and soul as if it were made up of fleshy material matter along with the flesh body.

When we die our body, not our spirit, returns to dust from which it came. The breath of life (spirit) goes out of man, and the body returns to dust. The body returns to dust, and the spirit returns to God who gave it. The question we must all ask is will our spirit return to God with the breath of life through the Spirit of Christ in us, or will our spirit return to God in silence and darkness in unbelief?

Genesis 3:19 (KJV) In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.

Psalm 104:29 (KJV) Thou hidest thy face, they are troubled: thou takest away their breath, they die, and return to their dust.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

No, you've got it backwards. Our flesh is not what is saved by Christ. It is our spirit with soul that is saved. There is no salvation of the flesh.

When we possess eternal spiritual life through the Spirit of Christ in us, our spirit will NEVER die. Our spirit alive shall return with Christ' return to give life to our resurrected immortal and incorruptible body of flesh. Christ saves the whole man, not in part but the whole. If this were not truth it makes ZERO sense for the Bible to say in an hour coming all that are in the graves (dead bodies) shall be resurrected either for life or condemnation. In the same way that God made the body of flesh from dust is the same way our decomposed bodies shall be resurrected to physical life again. And in the same way that lump of clay had life breathed into it by the breath of God, so too our living eternal shall give physical life to our resurrected immortal body that man of faith shall once again be whole.

 

[rwb]

Well, I actually DID make a distinction between our spirit and our flesh physical body, many times in fact, even quoting New Testament Scripture that proves it.


1 Cor 15:49-50
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
KJV


So I don't know what you are going on about, except maybe that you just don't want to let go of that old theory from men's traditions about Soul Sleep, which is not Biblical.

But you do not make a distinction between the spirit in Christ that possesses eternal life, and body of flesh that possesses eternal spiritual life through Christ's Spirit in us that shall be changed from mortal to immortal and corruptible to incorruptible. Soul sleep is NOWHERE written in Scripture. Man is alive in Christ are dead in unbelief!

 

[Davy]

But they would have to be if they are resurrected to physical life for one thousand years when Christ comes again.

Nope. You are creating ideas that are not written in God's Word. Once Jesus returns on the "day of the Lord", which is His 2nd coming, He gathers all His faithful saints to Himself and begins His eternal reign, with those saints. So you gonna' try to tell me those saints are then martyred sometime after that? That's ludicrous.

 

[Davy]

There is only one bodily resurrection of ALL flesh from the graves. That is an hour that is coming, when the last trumpet sounds that marks time for this earth shall be no longer, this is the last day of this age when time shall be no longer.

Once again, you reveal you don't have a complete Bible.

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

Luke 20:37-38
37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
38 For He is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto Him.
KJV


You simply need to give up those primitive notions held by the unbelieving Jews by their Talmudic traditions, and instead understand what The New Testament Scripture teaches as written.

 

[rwb]

Nope. You are creating ideas that are not written in God's Word. Once Jesus returns on the "day of the Lord", which is His 2nd coming, He gathers all His faithful saints to Himself and begins His eternal reign, with those saints. So you gonna' try to tell me those saints are then martyred sometime after that? That's ludicrous.

According to the Prophets of Old the day of the Lord that would come would be both with salvation for whosoever is of faith, and that day of the Lord shall also be a day of judgment and God's wrath for all who remain in unbelief. NOWHERE can we find the eternal age to come as beginning with one thousand more years of time given this earth.

 

[rwb]

1 Peter 3:18-20
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also He went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
KJV

He preached unto the spirits in prison is where they are since the flood on Noah's day. They are since they died in the flood sealed in the grave/pit/deep abyss until they are resurrected for condemnation. Peter shows us who these spirits now being held through unbelief, were those of Old who lived in the days when Noah, a preacher of righteousness preached the name of the Lord to them through the power of the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead.

1 Peter 3:19-20 (KJV) By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

1 Peter 4:5-6
5 Who shall give account to Him That is ready to judge the quick and the dead.
6 For, for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit.
KJV

There is not a single verse in Scripture to prove the gospel is preached to those who have physically died. In fact the Bible shows us that once a man dies in unbelief, they have come into judgment. It is only those who are of faith when Christ comes the second and only time that shall be saved.

Hebrews 9:27-28 (KJV) And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Luke 20:37-38
37 Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.
38 For He is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto Him.
KJV

Yes, since the Messiah, our Lord the Prophets of Old foretell would come has come and given His life a ransom for the dead, the gates of heaven are opened and all who died looking for and waiting for His coming have now ascended to heaven with Christ a spiritual body of living souls now in heaven. Who are counted as not being of the dead but the living? They are the named physically dead, yet alive in Christ, Moses, Abraham, Isaac and Jacob because God is not the God of the dead, but the living who live unto Him.

Luke 20:37-38 (KJV) Now that the dead are raised, even Moses shewed at the bush, when he calleth the Lord the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. For he is not a God of the dead, but of the living: for all live unto him.

 

[Davidpt]

There is only one bodily resurrection of ALL flesh from the graves. That is an hour that is coming, when the last trumpet sounds that marks time for this earth shall be no longer, this is the last day of this age when time shall be no longer.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice, And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

Let's start with an analogy first.

When a new President is elected, there comes an hour appointed for him to take his seat of authority. We might say, The hour is coming when the President shall be sworn in and shall appoint his cabinet.

Yet no reasonable person would imagine that every part of this solemn occasion --- the oath of office, the address to the nation, and the selection of his cabinet --- must all occur within the space of 60 literal minutes. The phrase 'the hour' signifies not a measured 60 minutes, but a 'season of transition'---the appointed time when authority changes hands and a new order begins. The oath may be taken in one moment, but the appointments and establishment of the administration unfold in due sequence within that same inaugural hour.

Even so, when Christ declared, 'The hour is coming in which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,'(John 5:28–29) He spoke not of a literal hour on a clock, but of one great, divinely appointed 'season of resurrection'. To suppose otherwise leads to absurdity. For if the 'hour' were taken as a literal 60 minutes, we would be forced to imagine that within that brief space of time, the righteous would rise first, be judged, and rewarded---and before that same literal 60 minutes expired, the wicked would also rise, be judged, and sentenced. Within a single earthly hour the resurrection, judgment, and eternal destinies of all humanity would have to begin and end! We then end up with an absurdity, that within a literal 60 minutes the great white throne judgment will have begun and finished entirely.

Rather, the 'hour' Christ spoke of encompasses 'an ordered unfolding of divine purpose'--- a single appointed time that arrives in stages. As Paul wrote, 'Each in his own order'--- Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at His coming(1 Corinthians 15:23). First, those who belong to Him rise unto life; later, those who have done evil unto judgment. It is one grand 'hour' in the counsel of God, yet unfolding with perfect sequence and wisdom---just as the President’s inauguration unfolds in stages, all within that one appointed season of enthronement.

Thus the 'hour' of resurrection is not measured by the clock of men---the season in which the voice of the Son of God calls forth every soul from the grave, each in his appointed order, until all creation stands before Him who is both Savior and Judge.

 

[rwb]

Even so, when Christ declared, 'The hour is coming in which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,'(John 5:28–29) He spoke not of a literal hour on a clock, but of one great, divinely appointed 'season of resurrection'. To suppose otherwise leads to absurdity. For if the 'hour' were taken as a literal 60 minutes, we would be forced to imagine that within that brief space of time, the righteous would rise first, be judged, and rewarded---and before that same literal 60 minutes expired, the wicked would also rise, be judged, and sentenced. Within a single earthly hour the resurrection, judgment, and eternal destinies of all humanity would have to begin and end! We then end up with an absurdity, that within a literal 60 minutes the great white throne judgment will have begun and finished entirely.

Rather, the 'hour' Christ spoke of encompasses 'an ordered unfolding of divine purpose'--- a single appointed time that arrives in stages. As Paul wrote, 'Each in his own order'--- Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at His coming(1 Corinthians 15:23). First, those who belong to Him rise unto life; later, those who have done evil unto judgment. It is one grand 'hour' in the counsel of God, yet unfolding with perfect sequence and wisdom---just as the President’s inauguration unfolds in stages, all within that one appointed season of enthronement.

Thus the 'hour' of resurrection is not measured by the clock of men---the season in which the voice of the Son of God calls forth every soul from the grave, each in his appointed order, until all creation stands before Him who is both Savior and Judge.

Your reasoning appears sound when judged against "The hour is coming, and now is". Because the hour that now is points to TIME when spiritually dead mankind shall hear the voice of the Son of God and they that hear shall live. This speaks of the whole age when the gospel of the Kingdom of God is proclaimed unto all the earth that whosoever hears and believes in Christ have gone from being spiritually dead in trespasses and sins to being spiritually alive in Christ. During the hour of TIME that now is the gospel of the Kingdom of God is preached and all who believe are quickened (made spiritually alive), not resurrected from physical death. But the hour coming for the dead in the graves is the last day when the seventh trumpet sounds and time shall be no longer.

John 5:24-25 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life. Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.

Ephesians 2:1 (KJV) And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Ephesians 2:5-6 (KJV) Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:

The problem with your reasoning comes from other passages and verses that tell us resurrection of the physically dead shall be the last day when the last trumpet begins to sound that time given this earth shall be no longer. Though the hour that was now encompasses time for building the spiritual Kingdom of God in heaven as the gospel is preached unto all the nations of the earth, this TIME has an expiration date that comes after the thousand years of TIME should be fulfilled.

John 5:28-29 (KJV) Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Let's start with an analogy first.

When a new President is elected, there comes an hour appointed for him to take his seat of authority. We might say, The hour is coming when the President shall be sworn in and shall appoint his cabinet.

Yet no reasonable person would imagine that every part of this solemn occasion --- the oath of office, the address to the nation, and the selection of his cabinet --- must all occur within the space of 60 literal minutes. The phrase 'the hour' signifies not a measured 60 minutes, but a 'season of transition'---the appointed time when authority changes hands and a new order begins. The oath may be taken in one moment, but the appointments and establishment of the administration unfold in due sequence within that same inaugural hour.

Even so, when Christ declared, 'The hour is coming in which all that are in the graves shall hear His voice,'(John 5:28–29) He spoke not of a literal hour on a clock, but of one great, divinely appointed 'season of resurrection'. To suppose otherwise leads to absurdity. For if the 'hour' were taken as a literal 60 minutes, we would be forced to imagine that within that brief space of time, the righteous would rise first, be judged, and rewarded---and before that same literal 60 minutes expired, the wicked would also rise, be judged, and sentenced. Within a single earthly hour the resurrection, judgment, and eternal destinies of all humanity would have to begin and end! We then end up with an absurdity, that within a literal 60 minutes the great white throne judgment will have begun and finished entirely.

Rather, the 'hour' Christ spoke of encompasses 'an ordered unfolding of divine purpose'--- a single appointed time that arrives in stages. As Paul wrote, 'Each in his own order'--- Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ’s at His coming(1 Corinthians 15:23). First, those who belong to Him rise unto life; later, those who have done evil unto judgment. It is one grand 'hour' in the counsel of God, yet unfolding with perfect sequence and wisdom---just as the President’s inauguration unfolds in stages, all within that one appointed season of enthronement.

Thus the 'hour' of resurrection is not measured by the clock of men---the season in which the voice of the Son of God calls forth every soul from the grave, each in his appointed order, until all creation stands before Him who is both Savior and Judge.

This seems like you copied this from someone rather than coming up with it yourself. Is that correct?

Regardless, the analogy makes no sense. Whatever the duration of the coming "hour", what happens during that hour is that the dead are resurrected. The dead are resurrected throughout that coming hour, however long that hour or time lasts. If you try to include the thousand years within that coming hour, it makes no sense because you have 1,000+ years (thousand years plus Satan's little season) of time passing during which no one is resurrected. How can that possibly be what Jesus was talking about? It can't be.

You basically interpret John 5:28-29 as if Jesus said the hour is coming at the beginning of which the righteous will be resurrected, and it then includes 1,000+ years during which no one is resurrected, followed by the resurrection of the wicked. To say that the hour is coming when all of the dead will be resurrected, as Jesus did, would be a very strange thing to say if that hour includes a 1,000+ year period of time during which no one is resurrected. I don't believe for a second that Jesus would've said it that way if He was talking about two different resurrections separated by 1,000+ years. Instead, He would have referred to two separate hours that were coming when the dead would be resurrected. It makes no sense to refer to a time that includes a 1,000+ year gap when no one is resurrected as an hour that is coming when all of the dead will be resurrected.

I wonder why you didn't consult ChatGPT on this one? Here's what ChatGPT thinks of your understanding of John 5:28-29 after I asked "Is it reasonable to think that if someone said the hour is coming in which all of the dead will be resurrected, that the coming hour could include a 1,000+ year period of time during which no one is resurrected?"

ChatGPT Response:

That’s a very thoughtful question — and it touches on both linguistic and theological nuances.
From a linguistic and logical standpoint, the short answer is: No, it would not be reasonable to interpret “the hour is coming in which all of the dead will be resurrected” as including a thousand-year (or any long) period in which no resurrection happens. Here’s why:

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1. The meaning of “hour” (Greek: hōra) in biblical and ordinary usage​

In Scripture (especially in John 5:25–29, which your question seems to reference), hōra is sometimes used metaphorically to mean “a definite, divinely appointed time” rather than a literal 60 minutes. However, even metaphorically, an hour refers to a coherent, identifiable period — not an era with unrelated gaps or interruptions.
So, when Jesus says:

“The hour is coming when all who are in the tombs will hear his voice and come out…”

He’s depicting a single, climactic event — a moment or occasion — when the dead respond to His voice. The phrase “the hour is coming in which all … will come forth” linguistically implies a unified timeframe during which the resurrection occurs.

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2. Logical implications of “in which all”​

If someone says, “the hour is coming in which all of the dead will be resurrected,” then “the hour” defines the temporal context of that resurrection.
If, within that “hour,” there is a 1,000-year interval where no resurrection occurs, then that “hour” wouldn’t truly be “the hour in which all are resurrected” — it would instead encompass both resurrection and non-resurrection periods, contradicting the plain sense of the statement.

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3. Theological context (Revelation 20 and John 5)​

Some interpreters try to harmonize John 5 (one general resurrection) with Revelation 20 (the “first resurrection” and the “rest of the dead” living after a thousand years).
However, even if one takes Revelation 20 literally, John 5’s “hour” cannot naturally be stretched to include a millennium of inactivity; it describes a single eschatological event — not two separated phases spanning 1,000 years.
So, if someone insists that the “hour” includes a millennium during which no one is resurrected, that interpretation would be in tension with both the wording and the logic of the original statement.

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Summary:
It’s not reasonable to interpret “the hour is coming in which all the dead will be resurrected” as including a thousand-year gap with no resurrection activity.
An “hour” in that context means a definite and unified period when the resurrection of all occurs — not a stretched timeframe with long interruptions.

 

[Truth7t7]

Once again, you show your Biblical illiteracy, especially in the Old Testament Books.


Brethren in Christ:
Don't listen to those deceived like Truth7t7 who rejects simple Bible Scripture about our Lord Jesus Christ's future LITERAL REIGN upon this earth when He returns, as Christ's Kingdom in FINAL will be a PHYSICAL KINGDOM right here on earth where He will inherit and sit upon His THRONE from His flesh father David.

Ps 2:6-12
6 Yet have I set My king upon My holy hill of Zion.
7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, "Thou art My Son; this day have I begotten thee.
8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.
9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.
10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.
11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.
12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him."
KJV

The "Zion" above is about LITERAL JERUSALEM, on earth. That is our Heavenly Father speaking about His Son Jesus Christ set as KING upon His holy hill in Jerusalem on earth.

It is NOT about some political motivation that some have against the idea of Christ's throne inherited from David being somewhere in Heaven today. It is not in Heaven today, Jesus today still sits on the right hand of The Father's throne in Heaven, still expecting (Heb.10:12-13). David's throne is an earthly throne, and God promised He would establish David's throne forever.

There still exists a seed in the world today sowed by the devil ("tares" of Matt.13) which hate the idea of God's Promise to David about his everlasting throne on earth, and that Christ is to come to sit upon it, on earth, as His inheritance. Satan's original sin was his coveting God's Throne in the old world, so Satan and his children of course hate this idea about Christ sitting upon David's earthly throne when He returns in our near future.


Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, "Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of His glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel."
KJV

Jesus revealed in the above verse that He won't come to sit upon His inherited throne from David UNTIL His 12 Apostles also come to sit upon 12 thrones judging over the 12 tribes of re-established Israel. As of this day, this prophecy is still yet unfulfilled, and won't be fulfilled until our Lord Jesus returns to earth at His 2nd coming in our near future.


Zech 6:12-13
12 And speak unto him, saying, "Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.
KJV

Christ Jesus is that "BRANCH"...

Jer 23:5-6
5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.
6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.
KJV

That is about Lord Jesus Christ as that BRANCH. The Zech.6:12-13 verses above is about His future 2nd coming when Jesus will build the future MILLENNIAL temple at Jerusalem, on earth, and sit upon His inherited throne from David there, and thus will be BOTH King and High Priest at the same time upon that throne, which is a special OFFICE to be held ONLY by Jesus Christ upon His future throne.

Matt 25:31-32
31 When the Son of man shall come in His glory, and all the holy angels with Him, then shall He sit upon the throne of His glory:
32 And before Him shall be gathered all nations: and He shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
KJV

Just where... the above will take place should be very easy to figure out, since it links to the future when Jesus returns and sits upon His inherited THRONE from David, and Jesus at that future time upon His throne will separate those UNSAVED "goats" from His sheep (His faithful Church).

Zech 14:8-9
8 And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be.
9 And the LORD shall be king over all the earth: in that day shall there be one LORD, and His name one.
KJV

That Zech.14 Scripture is especially important about the events that will occur on earth immediately after Christ's future 2nd coming. That Zech.14 reveals the WICKED leftover nations that will come upon against Jerusalem on the last day of this present world, will be made to come up to Jerusalem AFTER Jesus' future return, and worship Him as The KING (Zech.14:16-18). It even mentions the nation of Egypt, showing all that happens ON EARTH with many of today's nations STILL EXISTING after His future return! Even the Isaiah 19 Scripture simply reveals this...

(Continued...)

Once Again

No earthly throne, kingdom, or mortal humans upon this earth are seen in Revelation 20:1-6 as you claim, (A Fact)

 

[Davy]

He preached unto the spirits in prison is where they are since the flood on Noah's day. They are since they died in the flood sealed in the grave/pit/deep abyss until they are resurrected for condemnation. Peter shows us who these spirits now being held through unbelief, were those of Old who lived in the days when Noah, a preacher of righteousness preached the name of the Lord to them through the power of the same Spirit that raised Christ from the dead.

Again no, you have missed Isaiah 42:7 which revealed that Jesus at His 1st coming would loose the prisoners out of the heavenly prison house. You instead are heeding man's false SOUL SLEEP doctrine which teaches when we die we are 'literally' asleep in the casket with our flesh body. God's Word reveals our spirit goes back to God at death of our flesh body, and I have already shown the Scripture about that several times, but you keep wanting to default to what men teach outside The Bible.

 

[Davy]

Once Again

No earthly throne, kingdom, or mortal humans upon this earth are seen in Revelation 20:1-6 as you claim, (A Fact)

We already know you do not recognize that Revelation 20 Chapter that used to be in your Bible, (or maybe you never had a real Bible). So you trying to claim what is fact about it and what is not fact is just hot air.

 

[rwb]

Again no, you have missed Isaiah 42:7 which revealed that Jesus at His 1st coming would loose the prisoners out of the heavenly prison house. You instead are heeding man's false SOUL SLEEP doctrine which teaches when we die we are 'literally' asleep in the casket with our flesh body. God's Word reveals our spirit goes back to God at death of our flesh body, and I have already shown the Scripture about that several times, but you keep wanting to default to what men teach outside The Bible.

Isaiah 42 was fulfilled and continues to be fulfilled since the first advent of Christ as the gospel of the Kingdom of God is being proclaimed unto all the nations of the earth and many who were spiritually dead in unbelief have been made spiritually alive no longer in darkness and blindness, for whosoever shall believe has been set free from bondage of death, and have obtained eternal life through the Spirit of Christ in them. Before man is made spiritually alive through the power of God, we were as dead men walking in bodies of flesh destined to die. There is no such thing as soul sleep, we are either spiritually alive living souls or spiritually dead in darkness through unbelief.

Isaiah 42:1-8 (KJV) Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles. He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street. A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth. He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law. Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein: I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles; To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house. I am the LORD: that is my name: and my glory will I not give to another, neither my praise to graven images.

 

[Davy]

Isaiah 42 was fulfilled and continues to be fulfilled since the first advent of Christ as the gospel of the Kingdom of God is being proclaimed unto all the nations of the earth and many who were spiritually dead in unbelief have been made spiritually alive no longer in darkness and blindness, for whosoever shall believe has been set free from bondage of death, and have obtained eternal life through the Spirit of Christ in them.

No, that is not what that Isaiah 42:7 Scripture is about. The prisoners in the prison house it speaks of is about the HEAVENLY PRISON, Satan's pit prison where the 1 Peter 3 "spirits in prison" were PRIOR to Jesus' death and resurrection, and going to preach The Gospel to those 'spirits', and lead those of them who believed OUT of that prison house.

But what the interpretation of that Isaiah Scripture you propose is a 'doctrine of men' by those who don't believe Eccl.12:5-7 about man's spirit going back to God in the Heavenly dimension at death of the flesh body. You instead believe men's false SOUL SLEEP theories, which is a primitive Jewish tradition based on a fleshy understanding. Their primitive interpretation of those "spirits in prison" is even silly ideas like those 'spirits' all mean demons, and that it wasn't The Gospel Jesus was preaching to them, but instead Jesus' victory over death, like a bragging. But thank you Apostle Peter, because Peter showed in 1 Peter 4:5-6 that The Gospel was preached to the 'dead' so they would be judged according to men in the flesh, but LIVE according to God in the spirit.

Isa 42:6-7
6 I the LORD have called thee in righteousness, and will hold thine hand, and will keep thee, and give thee for a covenant of the people, for a light of the Gentiles;
7 To open the blind eyes, to bring out the prisoners from the prison, and them that sit in darkness out of the prison house.
KJV