How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

[Grailhunter]

Nearly all the ideas associated with Hades stem from mythology; in fact, much of Christian doctrine, perhaps 90%, is infused with such mythological notions. And when you ask someone to prove their notions from the Bible they copy and paste a verse and thats it.

Scriptures are good source for Christian information and Christianity has little to do with Greek mythology.

 

[Grailhunter]

And nor did Hades. I agree.

The ruler of Hades was the Greek god Hades as already explained.

 

[MonoBiblical]

The ruler of Hades was the Greek god Hades as already explained.

But the NT doesn't believe in Greek gods. Hades of the dead was a realm and a false non-existant god at the same time. It is just an unseen area in the NT.

 

[Grailhunter]

But the NT doesn't believe in Greek gods. Hades of the dead was a realm and a false non-existant god at the same time. It is just an unseen area in the NT.

Correct
That is why Hades should not be in the New Testament but….it is. In context the Apostles used it for an eternal fiery place of punishment. Take it up with them.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Correct
That is why Hades should not be in the New Testament but….it is. In context the Apostles used it for an eternal fiery place of punishment. Take it up with them.

I have not any a problem with that word. I have a problem with 2 words, eternal and hell. I also don't believe in Soul Sleep either.

 

[Brakelite]

What is unique about this new creation is that Yahweh purposed to bring forth a Son who would fully embody His Logos and yet arise from among humanity. The Lord’s existence is therefore grounded in both God and man, which makes any notion of his personal pre-existence impossible. Even the least who will inherit the Kingdom understood the meaning of ‘Son of David.’ They needed no theological training to know that a Saviour would come by promise, not by pre-existence. @Brakelite @Lambano @St. SteVen

And what of the Canaanite woman, who recognized him as both the promised (seed) Son of David and as “Lord”, a confession that surpassed even that of the Jews, as seen in Matthew 22:41–46?

If it were proven true that Jesus was a created being whose life began as ours does, what would the implications be for Christianity?

I'm not suggesting He was a created being. He was begotten. The Scripture declares unequivocally that God sent His only begotten Son into the world to redeem man. . If I'm to believe that scripture, then I also believe God had a Son to send.

 

[MonoBiblical]

I'm not suggesting He was a created being. He was begotten. The Scripture declares unequivocally that God sent His only begotten Son into the world to redeem man. . If I'm to believe that scripture, then I also believe God had a Son to send.

Begotten not made was a stab at Origenists who believed there was when he was not, and that he became the son, rather than being always the son. There is more than a hint of Hellenism in these statements.

 

[Grailhunter]

I have not any a problem with that word. I have a problem with 2 words, eternal and hell. I also don't believe in Soul Sleep either.

Because you are Jehovah’s Witness….I do not talk to Jehovah’s Witnesses. Go talk to some one else.

 

[Brakelite]

I also don't believe in Soul Sleep either

You're welcome to call it something else. It's just that Jesus called death sleep, knowing that at a future time, there would be the resurrection.

 

[Brakelite]

Begotten not made was a stab at Origenists who believed there was when he was not, and that he became the son, rather than being always the son. There is more than a hint of Hellenism in these statements.

If He was existent as a personality for all eternity past, then He couldn't be begotten, or a Son.

 

[St. SteVen]

Nearly all the ideas associated with Hades stem from mythology; in fact, much of Christian doctrine, perhaps 90%, is infused with such mythological notions. And when you ask someone to prove their notions from the Bible they copy and paste a verse and thats it.

Frankly, there isn't a lot of biblical data about the afterlife or the judgment.
Christians seem fixated on an assumed outcome rather than a meaningful process.

 

[MonoBiblical]

If He was existent as a personality for all eternity past, then He couldn't be begotten, or a Son.

How do you begin something before time? Athanasius was more concerned that the Arians seemed impious. Being Eastern they didn't have as many Tenaks in any given language.

 

[Brakelite]

Frankly, there isn't a lot of biblical data about the afterlife or the judgment.
Christians seem fixated on an assumed outcome rather than a meaningful process.

And they ignore the resurrection, which in NT biblical times was exalted as the Christians' great hope. Now it's the rapture or immediate trip to heaven or hell at death, none of which makes any sense whatsoever.

 

[Brakelite]

How do you begin something before time? Athanasius was more concerned that the Arians seemed impious. Being Eastern they didn't have as many Tenaks in any given language.

I think you mean before time was measured. Surely you aren't suggesting that in eternity there is no past, present, or future? Didn't God plan creation, consider all the ramifications of Lucifer rebellion, and go ahead anyway? Isn't that a plan for the future of mankind, knowing the future and providing for man's redemption as an inclusive paradigm?

 

[MonoBiblical]

And they ignore the resurrection, which in NT biblical times was exalted as the Christians' great hope. Now it's the rapture or immediate trip to heaven or hell at death, none of which makes any sense whatsoever.

I believe presently that God wakes those dying and gives them new bodies. Resurrection is a poor translation the Greek word anastasis and Greek word anistēmi.

 

[MonoBiblical]

I think you mean before time was measured. Surely you aren't suggesting that in eternity there is no past, present, or future? Didn't God plan creation, consider all the ramifications of Lucifer rebellion, and go ahead anyway? Isn't that a plan for the future of mankind, knowing the future and providing for man's redemption as an inclusive paradigm?

There is before any when for GOD.

 

[MonoBiblical]

I think you mean before time was measured. Surely you aren't suggesting that in eternity there is no past, present, or future? Didn't God plan creation, consider all the ramifications of Lucifer rebellion, and go ahead anyway? Isn't that a plan for the future of mankind, knowing the future and providing for man's redemption as an inclusive paradigm?

God doesn't really produce plans, and causes plans.

 

[Brakelite]

Here is the personal testimony and declaration of faith of the apostle and missionary to the Goths during the time of the controversies between Arius and the church, and before the formulas that became standard requirements for membership of the orthodoxy. This man is as close to biblical revelation as I've read anywhere.

, Wulfila, Bishop and Confessor, have always believed thus and in this sole and true faith I make my journey to my Lord,
I believe
that there is only one God the Father, alone unbegotten and invisible, and in His only-begotten Son, our Lord and God, creator and maker of all things, not having any like unto Him. Therefore there is one God of all, who is also God of our God, And I believe in one Holy Spirit, an enlightening and sanctifying power. As Christ says after the resurrection to his Apostles: "Behold I send the promise of my Father upon you; but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem until ye be clothed with power from on high." (Luke 24.49) And again: "And ye shall receive power coming upon you by the Holy Spirit." (Acts 1.8) Neither God nor Lord, but the faithful minister of Christ; not equal, but subject and obedient in all things to the Son. And I believe the Son to be subject and obedient in all things to God the Father
.

 

[Brakelite]

Go doesn't really produce plans, and causes plans.

Huh?

 

[MonoBiblical]

Huh?

God, not go, sorry.