Trump has abandoned America First

[Matthias]

.....and God put him into power?

What did Paul say?

 

[quietthinker]

What did Paul say?

I'm asking you

 

[Matthias]

I'm asking you

I quoted Paul. That’s my answer.

 

[quietthinker]

I quoted Paul. That’s my answer.

It's an evasive answer. So I will ask you, what do you do with this text/ information?

Luke 4:6
The devil said to him, “I will give you all this authority, and their glory, for it has been delivered to me; and I give it to whomever I want.

 

[Matthias]

It's an evasive answer.

Romans 13:1 isn’t an evasive answer. It’s a direct answer.

So I will ask you, what do you do with this text/ information?

Luke 4:6
The devil said to him, “I will give you all this authority, and their glory, for it has been delivered to me; and I give it to whomever I want.

Satan is the god of this world. He isn’t able to contradict Romans 13:1.

 

[ProverbsInPink]

You must not know much about Kamala Harris who ran against Trump.

He doesn't know. He's in Australia.
His hobby is to hate America and our leaders.

We in California voted against gay marriage twice. She was our attorney general....the gays kept taking our vote to court until our votes were overturned. She performed the first gay marriage here and was proud of that.

She is also for abortion and the transgender agenda being taught to our children in schools...as young as Kindergarten.

Just a brief clip...she hosted a man with a beard who was wearing a dress at the White House.

Don't forget her affair with a married man Mayor Willie Brown, so to climb the ladder in her career.

Now she's married to a fellow cheat.

How could they trust each other?

 

[quietthinker]

Romans 13:1 isn’t an evasive answer. It’s a direct answer.




Satan is the god of this world. He isn’t able to contradict Romans 13:1.

So the conclusion to your point of view is that God deliberately puts people in power to oppress and slaughter his people?

 

[Matthias]

So the conclusion to your point of view is that God deliberately puts people in power to oppress and slaughter his people?

God knows what all rulers have in mind to do. He values the oppression and martyrdom of his people more highly than you do.

 

[Matthias]

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* The verse should be “whipped out” no matter who the President or what the political party is. *

Would you consider replacing “God” with “Satan” in Romans 13:1 @quietthinker?

 

[ScottA]

Anyone else tired of being sold a pig and a poke? I know I am. Donald Trump sold us a lie. That lie was America first, or MAGA, for short. But now what do we hear? Well we were going to do America first, but politics is... too hard.

Well politics is hard; It's difficult to be the President of 350 million people. But this is the job Trump ran for, and now he has it because we put him there. Now he's backpedaling on America first and he's adopted the neocon ideology of Israel first.

You oppose giving Israel billions of dollars in foreign aid to conduct a genocide in Gaza while Americans are living paycheck to paycheck and our veterans get absolutely nothing? I don't want your support, says Trump. Or if you're Marjorie Taylor Green, he'll just call you a traitor...

He was elected to put an end to the wars. The Ukraine war is still raging, and now this administration is apparently entertaining the idea of going to war with Venezuela...

So let me get this straight. Trump's new plan is to start new wars, continue funding the wars we're already in, proxy or otherwise, suppprt ethnic cleansing in Gaza, and gaslight Americans into believing that inflation is down, that the high cost of groceries is a figment of their imaginations, and that Israel needs the government's support more than Americans do?

I would say to vote Democrat in the midterms to punish this fat New York sack of crap, but they're bought and paid for too. Remember Joe Biden? That's okay, he doesn't either. But I give him a little bit of credit; he did more to try to stop the Israelis than Trump ever did. He at least spoke out against the atrocities that everyone was witnessing by saying the Israeli conduct in Gaza was "over the top", even if he ultimately failed to make a difference...

But I'll tell you this: both of these parties have been captured by lobbies that represent foreign interests and the military industrial complex that Eisenhower warned us about decades ago. They don't represent the American people anymore, and I'm happy to see that more Americans are waking up to this fact, especially on the Republican side of the isle.

It took them a little bit longer to wake up, but that's probably due to many of them being Christian and believing that we must support Israel no matter what because "God's chosen people" and all that other assorted lunacy.

But even Christians have their limits on supporting genocide it would seem. Would Jesus be cool with 20,000 children being systemically exterminated for the ambitious idea of "Greater Israel"? I have my doubts.

"Well, if we don't support Israel, God will smite America!", says Lindsay Graham. These are the people in charge. This is the mantra. If you don't tow this insane line, you're labeled antisemitic or a traitor or both.

America first was supposed to drain the swamp, remember that? And now Trump has become a swamp creature. He's just another Bolton, another Cheney, another Bush, another Rumsfeld.

I would say "Don't believe everything you see and hear"--but apparently you already have--on both sides. You've been duped with both barrels!

Do you even know what the Deep State is, and how they operate? Apparently not--because you believe the news.

Do we really need to explain? What does that say about you?

 

[quietthinker]

God knows what all rulers have in mind to do. He values the oppression and martyrdom of his people more highly than you do.

In my view your paradigm results in inconsistencies. If God operates like that why should I be rooting for him?
On the other hand, Jesus tells us who the author of oppression is and it is not God.

John 10:10
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

 

[quietthinker]

He doesn't know. He's in Australia.
His hobby is to hate America and our leaders.

Your deductions are primitive. They are nothing more than an attempt to divert from the deficits you support.

 

[Matthias]

In my view your paradigm results in inconsistencies. If God operates like that why should I be rooting for him?

The Christians weren’t rooting for Nero. They were praying for him. The response of the Christians to Nero’s persecution brought glory to God.

Tertullian had it right when he said, “The blood of Christians is seed.”

On the other hand, Jesus tells us who the author of oppression is and it is not God.

John 10:10
The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy; I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full.

See God’s use of pagan government leaders in the Hebrew scriptures.

God crushed his Son. Do you believe that he did?

 

[Riven]

God knows what all rulers have in mind to do. He values the oppression and martyrdom of his people more highly than you do.

So... God put Hitler in power knowing he would invade Poland in 1939, kicking off a world war that would take the lives of millions?

Moral issues aside, how does this not violate humanity's freewill if God is rigging elections?

 

[quietthinker]

Would you consider replacing “God” with “Satan” in Romans 13:1 @quietthinker?

I have no intention of replacing anything with anything. My intention is to understand the nature of God accurately. The place available to us is to SEE Jesus. He is the only eyewitness to God; he is close to the Father's heart. He is to be the lens through which we interpret.
It is SEEING Jesus that the Devil wants to obscure because it brings clarity and consistency.

 

[Matthias]

So... God put Hitler in power knowing he would invade Poland in 1939, kicking off a world war that would take the lives of millions?

I invite you to read Romans 13:1 and share, from your agnostic point of view, what he is saying with us.

Moral issues aside, how does this not violate humanity's freewill if God is rigging elections?

God is still active behind the scenes. The God of Israel isn’t the god of deism.

 

[Matthias]

I have no intention of replacing anything with anything. My intention is to understand the nature of God accurately. The place available to us is to SEE Jesus. He issued the only eyewitness of God; he is close to the Father's heart. He is to be the lens through which we interpret.
It is SEEING Jesus that the Devil wants to obscure because it brings clarity and consistency.

Good. When Paul wrote Romans 13:1 he wasn’t contradicting Jesus.

Let’s discuss Romans 13:1.

 

[quietthinker]

The Christians weren’t rooting for Nero. They were praying for him. The response of the Christians to Nero’s persecution brought glory to God.

Tertullian had it right when he said, “The blood of Christians is seed.”



See God’s use of pagan government leaders in the Hebrew scriptures.

God crushed his Son. Do you believe that he did?

What you are telling me is God put Nero into power knowing that he will oppress his people ....and then have his people pray for Nero.
It doesn't take a lot of insight to see through the inconsistency and hypocrisy of that.

Did God crush Jesus? Absolutely not.
Jesus prays to God in the garden for support and gets it. Do you really believe he would be confiding in the one who is about to crush him? C'mon Matthias, you have permission as a moral being to join the dots in a healthy way.

You will now ask me, how do I understand Isaiah 53 where this quote is taken from.....perhaps you wont!

 

[Matthias]

What you are telling me is God put Nero into power knowing that he will oppress his people ....and then have his people pray for Nero.
It doesn't take a lot of insight to see through the inconsistency and hypocrisy of that.

I didn’t offer you a private insight. Do you pray for government leaders?

Did God crush Jesus? Absolutely not.

It was prophesied in Isaiah that he would. He did it through the agency of the Roman government.

Jesus prays to God in the garden for support and gets it. Do you really believe he would be confiding in the one who is about to crush him?

Yes. God is his Father.

C'mon Matthias, you have permission as a moral being to join the dots in a healthy way.

You will now ask me, how do I understand Isaiah 53 where this quote is taken from.....perhaps you wont!

 

[Matthias]

“Slain from the foundation of the world” (Revelation 13:8) -> that’s God’s doing @quietthinker. It was the plan all along in the foreknowledge of God.