Rapture ... soon?

[ProverbsInPink]

Interesting.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The Millennial Kingdom and beyond ...
The Gospel has been spreading since Christ. Spiritually, all Christians are in Christ, in the Kingdom of God; but most of humanity (2/3) is not. There are many other religions and atheism. So there is both good and evil present since the Garden.
At the end of the Great Tribulation period, Christ destroys all false religion systems, all unbelievers and so the remaining population will only be Christians. Paradise will be reborn! All will enjoy peace and harmony like never before! All will know, love and worship Christ on earth. The animal kingdom will also experience this peace and harmony, Isaiah 11:6-9 describes this. The Lord reigning on earth will be the "Our Father Prayer fulfilled "Thy Kingdom come, Thy will be done, on earth as it is in heaven"

There has been no period in history when the entire population on earth worshipped Christ; nor has the earth experienced good without evil after the original sin. Sin and evil will be put down. Satan and his demonic horde will be locked up, no longer able to temp, lie, deceive and lead people away from Christ. Faith will saturate the planet. Fear will be absent. The knowledge of the Lord for ALL will permeate. This will be our physical and spiritual reality. My understanding is that those who have resurrected bodies, will be capable of ascending to and descending from heaven at will. Those left behind after the Rapture, who made a decision for Christ and survived, including a remnant Jewish population, will repopulate the earth. So both mortals and immortals will share this realm. Babies will be born ( but of course our resurrected bodies cannot procreate), people will once again live to be hundreds of years old. Being mortals means death will still be present for those mortals. As always, when babies are born, they will still be born sinners, the sin passed down from Adam will still be part of their nature, blind, separate from God. But they will be loved and will learn about the Lord, see Him and this will be THE WAY. But of course, there will still be some who resist, rebel, go their own way. And when Satan is once again released, this rebelliousness will be tested for the last time. Then the Great White Throne Judgment will come. Hades and all who are in it, Death, Satan, his demons, the 1ST earth and 1st heavens will be burned in a Lake of Fire, a fervent heat that is described in 2 Peter 3:10.
Then the New Jerusalem will be our heaven on earth realm for eternity. No need for sun or moon, no nights, quite fascinating and wonderful. Praise God, Amen

 

[Marilyn C]

I have been inundated with many Youtube videos about the Rapture happening on Sept. 23-24, 2025. But many of them seemed fake, fabrications generated by AI.

Hi Ronald,

People are assuming that the feast of trumpets and Day of Atonement (feasts yet to be fulfilled for Israel) will be when they are/were celebrated in Israel. But this is an assumption. The feast of trumpets is in the trib. (Rev. 8) and the Day of Atonement is symbolically shown in Rev. 8: 3 - 5 - High Priest at the Golden altar)

 

[Marilyn C]

Then the New Jerusalem will be our heaven on earth realm for eternity. No need for sun or moon, no nights, quite fascinating and wonderful. Praise God, Amen

Hi Ronald,

The New Jerusalem will be in the universal realm, the rulership there with the OT saints as promised. (Heb. 11: 16) We, the Body of Christ have our rulership with Christ on His own throne in the highest, the third heaven. (Rev. 3: 21)

 

[The Light]

I have been inundated with many Youtube videos about the Rapture happening on Sept. 23-24, 2025. But many of them seemed fake, fabrications generated by AI.

The Church will be raptured in the summer. The fall Feast of Trumpets is for the Jews.

 

[The Light]

Hi Ronald,

People are assuming that the feast of trumpets and Day of Atonement (feasts yet to be fulfilled for Israel) will be when they are/were celebrated in Israel. But this is an assumption. The feast of trumpets is in the trib. (Rev. 8) and the Day of Atonement is symbolically shown in Rev. 8: 3 - 5 - High Priest at the Golden altar)

The Feast of Trumpets is not in the tribulation. The Feast of Trumpets is immediately after the tribulation of those days which is the great tribulation. This is when Jesus comes at the 6th seal.

Also, the Day of Atonement is not shown symbolically in Revelation 8. Revelation 8 is part of the ONE YEAR wrath of God. The Day of Atonement follows the wrath of God. And you are correct; they are both for the Jews.

 

[ewq1938]

This is when Jesus comes at the 6th seal.

Jesus doesn't come at the 6th seal. Just because a passage describes the Coming does not mean it is happening else using the same poor logic one can claim the second coming happened in Matthew 24.

The 6th seal is a view of future events. Jesus did not leave heaven to return when he opened the seal which is proof of it not happening at the seal's opening.

 

[The Light]

Jesus doesn't come at the 6th seal.

Scripture says differently.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Just because a passage describes the Coming does not mean it is happening else using the same poor logic one can claim the second coming happened in Matthew 24.

The second coming will happen in Matthew 24 in the future and it will occur at the 6th seal, EXACTLY as the Word of God says.

The 6th seal is a view of future events.

Exactly. And Matthew 24 is Jesus telling us about this future event.

Jesus did not leave heaven to return when he opened the seal which is proof of it not happening at the seal's opening.

None of the seals are opened. All of the seals are a future event. The coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 will occur at the 6th seal, just as it is written. Here is another view of this coming.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

Jesus comes for a harvest at the 6th seal. It is the gathering from heaven and earth. All go to heaven for the marriage supper. Hence, the great multitude that is in heaven in Revelation 7. Then the 7th seal is opened, and the wrath of God begins.

This is simple stuff that is clearly written.

 

[ewq1938]

Scripture says differently.

Except Jesus did not leave heaven when the 6th seal was opened proving the seal was just prophecy of future events just as it was in Matthew 24. Again, describing the second coming does not mean it is happening right then and there.

 

[The Light]

Except Jesus did not leave heaven when the 6th seal was opened

You seem to be having trouble with deductive reasoning. First, look up the definition of deductive reasoning and then reread the following.

Revelation 6
12 And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;

13 And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.

Matthew 24
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

proving the seal was just prophecy of future events just as it was in Matthew 24

Of course, the 6th seal is prophecy. So is seal 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, and 7.

None of this has happened...........it's prophecy. What Jesus tells us about His coming has not happened either.

What Jesus tells us will happen in Matthew 24 is the exact thing that John reveals in the revelation of Jesus Christ.

You are making no sense.

. Again, describing the second coming does not mean it is happening right then and there.

Again. I know.

None of the seals have been opened. It is all prophecy. So your point is mute.

 

[ewq1938]

You seem to be having trouble with deductive reasoning.

No, I'm not the one.

None of the seals have been opened. It is all prophecy. So your point is mute.

No, it's not "mute". Is your curiosity peaked also? You are wrong about the seals.

 

[Marilyn C]

The Feast of Trumpets is not in the tribulation. The Feast of Trumpets is immediately after the tribulation of those days which is the great tribulation. This is when Jesus comes at the 6th seal.

Also, the Day of Atonement is not shown symbolically in Revelation 8. Revelation 8 is part of the ONE YEAR wrath of God. The Day of Atonement follows the wrath of God. And you are correct; they are both for the Jews.

Hi The Light,

I`m glad we agree that the Feasts are for Israel. Rev. 8 reveals the Lord as an angel/messenger (of the covenant) at the golden altar. That is only for the Day of Atonement when the High Priest took blood from the outside altar, fire from the golden altar and went into the holy of Holies. There he threw fire upon the ground. That is what we are shown in Rev. 8: 3 - 5)

That Day is accompanied by the trumpets. Further on we see the Temple of God (symbolically) opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen. (Rev. 11: 19) This reveals the judgments are coming from the very throne of God - lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake and great hail. Notice the great Earthquake at the end of each section.

 

[The Light]

No, I'm not the one.




No, it's not "mute". Is your curiosity peaked also? You are wrong about the seals.

Wrong HOW?

The seals have not happened they are prophecy. Do you disagree?

The sun and moon are darkened, and the stars fall from heaven after the 6th seal is opened. CHECK......SO FAR SO GOOD.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun and moon are darked, and the stars fall from heaven and then the sign of the Son of man shall appear and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

There you have it.........when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven, the 6th seal is opened and Jesus appears with power and glory. SIMPLE.

Nothing confusing whatsoever.

 

[The Light]

Hi The Light,

I`m glad we agree that the Feasts are for Israel.

Yes, the fall feasts are for Israel. The Feast of Trumpets is a fall harvest feast and the seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth, are raptured at the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. The 144,000 from the twelve tribes are the first fruits of this harvest.

Rev. 8 reveals the Lord as an angel/messenger (of the covenant) at the golden altar. That is only for the Day of Atonement when the High Priest took blood from the outside altar, fire from the golden altar and went into the holy of Holies. There he threw fire upon the ground. That is what we are shown in Rev. 8: 3 - 5)

The Lord would not be an angel/messenger. I think you are taking liberties with the text.

Secondly, the trumpets are Gods wrath, and Rev 8 is the beginning of wrath. The Day of Atonement will not happen until after all the trumpets have sounded and the vials have been poured out. Then and only then will the Day of Atonement occur. That alone proves that Revelation 8 and the trumpets have nothing to do with the Day of Atonement.

That Day is accompanied by the trumpets. Further on we see the Temple of God (symbolically) opened in heaven, and the ark of His covenant was seen. (Rev. 11: 19) This reveals the judgments are coming from the very throne of God - lightnings, noises, thunderings, an earthquake and great hail. Notice the great Earthquake at the end of each section.

Can you explain what you mean by, "Notice the great Earthquake at the end of each section." What are the sections?

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Hi Ronald,

People are assuming that the feast of trumpets and Day of Atonement (feasts yet to be fulfilled for Israel) will be when they are/were celebrated in Israel. But this is an assumption. The feast of trumpets is in the trib. (Rev. 8) and the Day of Atonement is symbolically shown in Rev. 8: 3 - 5 - High Priest at the Golden altar)

Yes, there have been many assumptions concerning the time. The prophecies of Revelation will be fulfilled, at what time is mysterious. Many have erred including myself and obviously this guy Joshua.
I am and have been a Mid-Trib/ Pre-Wrath adherent of the Rapture for quite some time. However, I am not absolutely sure and so sometimes give the benefit of my doubts the assumptions, speculations, interpretations or theories of others. I certainly have my own. There will be many false prophets, but not all will be false. That's the problem, so many claimed visions that don't pan out and so when the real one comes, most will not believe it either.
I have reasoned against the Feast of Trumpets as being the time Rapture. Why? The Bible says it will be the last trumpet and so I identify it as the 7th Trumpet in Rev. 11:15. An angel blows that trumpet, NOT A MAN, NOR IS IT A SHOFAR. The sound of that trumpet will come from heaven and it will be huge. The Lord won't be waiting for some priest down below for a signal. That seems absurd. But it would be ironic, A blind Jew blowing a shofar and unbeknownst to him, the rapture happens, the Jews finally see Jesus descending and this enormous feeling of shame envelops them, a realization that all along Jesus was/ is the Messiah they have been waiting for. They mourn their big blunder, but still it is not too late for them. They'll miss the rapture but a remnant of them will believe ( Romans 11).
Still, I think Jesus gives the command to an angel to blow the last trumpet.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Hi Ronald,

The New Jerusalem will be in the universal realm, the rulership there with the OT saints as promised. (Heb. 11: 16) We, the Body of Christ have our rulership with Christ on His own throne in the highest, the third heaven. (Rev. 3: 21)

That is certainly one take and as we have seen, there are many. We'll see.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

The Church will be raptured in the summer. The fall Feast of Trumpets is for the Jews.

Jesus did say it would happen at a time that we would not expect it to. It's typical that people would expect it to happen during the Feasts, Jewish holiday, since it all started with them and so we try to connect the dots to somehow include them and what they are doing in the picture. Well, Jerusalem has always been the center of Biblical history. What is happening now with the war and peace treaty is part of the prophetic puzzle.
But you are likely right, the Feasts are for the unbelieving Jews and Rapture is about the Christians. Sadly, much of what they have done in 2,000 years has been empty and fruitless, which can be expected from people who are spiritually blind. He will remove their blindness though.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jesus did say it would happen at a time that we would not expect it to. It's typical that people would expect it to happen during the Feasts, Jewish holiday, since it all started with them and so we try to connect the dots to somehow include them and what they are doing in the picture. Well, Jerusalem has always been the center of Biblical history. What is happening now with the war and peace treaty is part of the prophetic puzzle.
But you are likely right, the Feasts are for the unbelieving Jews and Rapture is about the Christians. Sadly, much of what they have done in 2,000 years has been empty and fruitless, which can be expected from people who are spiritually blind. He will remove their blindness though.

It seems like you have not considered Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 which have the form of

If you worship Me and keep my commandments and statutes, then I will bless you.

But if you do not worship me and go after other gods and idols, then these curses will come upon you and iif you will not repent then I will increase the curses upon you.

But if you repent and turn back to worship me then these blessing will come upon you.

One could argue that these chapters are applicable only to Israel, however I would suggest that these same chapters are also applicable to Christians as well.

The meeting of Christ in the air is still over 1,000 years into our distant future and this meeting with Christ in the air will only happen after Satan, the beast(s) and the little Horn are captured, after they cause/bring about the Period of the Great Tribulation when they are released from the Bottomless pit.

It is after the Great Tribulation and the punishment of Satan, the beast(s) and the Little Horn, that the Saints will be gathered together to worship God.

Shalom

 

[The Light]

But you are likely right, the Feasts are for the unbelieving Jews and Rapture is about the Christians.

The fall feasts are for the Jews and the Feast of Trumpets is a harvest feast. There are two raptures. One for the Christians in the summer and one for the twelve tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman, in the fall. This is why there are 144,000 first fruits. They are the first fruits of the second harvest.

The fig tree has two harvests.
Hosea 9
10 I found Israel like grapes in the wilderness; I saw your fathers as the firstripe in the fig tree at her first time: but they went to Baalpeor, and separated themselves unto that shame; and their abominations were according as they loved.

There are two folds that are joined to one fold. The Christians are the first fold and the seed of the woman, Israel are the second fold.
John 10
14 I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.

15 As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

The nation of Israel, those that flee to the place of protection, remain on the earth during the 7th seal wrath of God.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

It seems like you have not considered Leviticus 26 and Deuteronomy 28 which have the form of

If you worship Me and keep my commandments and statutes, then I will bless you.

I was taught long ago by a Pastor/professor, who was gifted, a PhD, etc., that Deuteronomy and Leviticus are NOT applicable to Christians. We are not under the Law. That said, the promise given to them: "those who curse you will be cursed and those who bless you will be blessed," did not expire - it stands to this day.

The meeting of Christ in the air is still over 1,000 years into our distant future

Wow, I'm always asking, especially in the last 10 years, "How much longer can the world descend into this dark abyss of evil before the Lord intervenes and says that's enough"? And you think the world could actually survive for another thousand years?
I think we are in the last days.
Here's a hypothetical scenario:
If a major earthquake destroys the entire Californian coast in 2026 and I mean in the 8.0+ range and the economy collapses, then a few months later Yellowstone erupts and another quake in the Atlantic causes tsunamis that destroy the East Coast cities the following year, would you then think maybe the Lord will be returning sooner than you thought?