Keiw
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YHVH(Jehovah) gets worship, he alone is God. Jesus is Gods son, a son is never his own Father. Jesus is his image.
Was Jesus Orthodox? (or Baptist?)
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The Bible often uses the same words to describe the character traits of God as it does to describe the character traits of God's instructions, which is because it is God's instructions for how to be a doer of His character traits, such as with it being holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) or with justice, mercy, and faithfulness being weightier matters of the law (Matthew 23:23).
God's way is the way to know Him and Jesus by being in His likeness through being a doer of His character traits, such as in Genesis 18:19, God knew Abraham that he would teach his children and those of His household to walk in God's way by being a doer of righteousness and justice that the Lord might bring to him all that He has promised. Sin is what is contrary to God's way, such as with unrighteousness being sin and sin is the transgression of God's law because it was given to teach us how to walk in God's way (1 Kings 2:1-3).
In Exodus 33:13, Moses wanted God to be gracious to him by teaching him to walk in HIs way that he and Israel might know Him, and in Matthew 7:23, Jesus said that he would tell those who are workers of lawlessness to depart from him because he never knew them, so the goal of the law is to teach us how to know God and Jesus by being a doer of His character traits, which is His gift of eternal life (John 17:3). This is also why Jesus said that the way to inherit the gift of eternal life is by obeying the greatest two commandments (Luke 10:25-28).
The way to believe in God is by directing our lives towards being a doer of His character traits, such as by being a doer of good works in obedience to God's law we are testifying about His goodness, which is why our good works brings glory to Him (Matthew 5:16), and by testifying about God's goodness we are also expressing the belief that God is good, or in other words we are believing in Him. Likewise, the way to believe that God is a doer of justice is by directing our lives towards being in His likeness through being a doer of justice in obedience to His instructions, the way to believe that God is holy is by being a doer of His instructions for how to be holy as He is holy, and so forth for God's other character traits.
This exactly the same as the way to believe in the Son, who is the radiance of God's glory and the exact likeness of His character (Hebrews 1:3), which he expressed through his works by setting a sinless example for us to follow of how to walk in obedience to God's law. This is also why there are verses that say that the way to have eternal life is by believing in the Son. The point of Christianity is for us to be in Christ's likeness through being a doer of his character traits in accordance with following his example of obedience to God's law.
The way to love God is also by directing our lives towards being in His likeness by being a doer of His character traits, such as the way to love justice is by being a doer of justice, and so forth. In other words, everything that God has instructed was for the purpose of teaching us how to love a different aspect of His character, which is why the Bible repeatedly says that the way to love God is by obeying His commandments.
The point of Israel obeying God's law is to be a light and a blessing to the Gentiles by testifying about His character (Deuteronomy 4:5-8).
What is this thing with forum accusations of unorthodox, heretic, heterodox, pagan, etc. ???
Seems like blatant tribalism to me. Us versus them. When will we ever learn?
So, was Jesus orthodox?
Or did he operate outside the realm of the orthodoxy of his day?
Was he a heretic by their standards? (why did they crucify Him?)
Perhaps being heterodox is WAY underrated. Do we worship the status quo?
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Seems like blatant tribalism to me. Us versus them. When will we ever learn?
So, was Jesus orthodox?
Or did he operate outside the realm of the orthodoxy of his day?
Was he a heretic by their standards? (why did they crucify Him?)
Perhaps being heterodox is WAY underrated. Do we worship the status quo?
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Follow-up to the "Is Universalism Orthodox."[?] topic.
What is this thing with accusations of unorthodox,
heretic, heterodox, pagan, etc. Seems like blatant tribalism to me.
Us versus them. When will we ever learn?
So, was Jesus orthodox?
Or did he operate outside the realm of the orthodoxy of his day?
Was he a heretic by their standards?
Perhaps being heterodox is WAY underrated. Do we worship the status quo?
What is this thing with accusations of unorthodox,
heretic, heterodox, pagan, etc. Seems like blatant tribalism to me.
Us versus them. When will we ever learn?
So, was Jesus orthodox?
Or did he operate outside the realm of the orthodoxy of his day?
Was he a heretic by their standards?
Perhaps being heterodox is WAY underrated. Do we worship the status quo?
Keiw
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Jesus served the God Israel served= a single being=YHVH(Jehovah) as do all true followers.
What is "orthodox" specifically? One must clearly define this word, and in this case, the OP must do so. Until the word is defined commonly, the question can't be answered. It's obvious by the scriptures that Christ fulfilled the law. Is orthodoxy the law or is it the practice of the Jewish traditions of the day predicated upon the law, or what? Scripture tells us the law was good but that man could not comply. So what here is meant by orthodox by the question posed? What is meant by "orthodox (or Baptist)"? The question doesn't make sense to me.
Orthodox is the man-made status quo.
The topic title was tongue-in-cheek.
You may need to get a sense of humor.
Do you think that Jesus was orthodox according to the status quo of his day and place? (1st century Judaism)
Or was He Baptist? - LOL
If you are claiming that Jesus was orthodox, why did they crucify Him?
Was Jesus Heretical? - Why did they crucify Him?
Follow-up to the Was Jesus Orthodox? (or Baptist) topic. The previous thread examined the term 'orthodox". This thread will focus on the term "heretical". In the same way that something is not considered orthodox, it may also be termed as heretical. Thus labeling the person targeted as a...
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St. SteVen said:
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How smart is a person that can't answer a dumb question?
The questions are only dumb to you.
Keiw
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2 Tim 4:2-3
Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.
Notice the scripture says people will no longer tolerate sound doctrine. This implies Christians tolerated sound doctrine at one time in the past. So when we shape our doctrines around post Modern, post Christian , corrupted, emotionally fueled, soulish standards of morality we can be sure we are promoting false doctrines.
The word "tolerate" is so curious in this sense.
Infers that at some point sound doctrine becomes intolerable. - LOL
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That time is now.
The gospel is perverted to open the way for everyone without needing to accept Jesus as Lord (Universalism).
It supposes to stripp him of his divinity.(All cults)
It excuses damnable sinful behavior patterns. "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death."
It is so intolerable people are being shot for sharing their biblical beliefs. Or just keeping to themselves peacefully.
