Rapture ... soon?

[Marilyn C]

Yes, the fall feasts are for Israel. The Feast of Trumpets is a fall harvest feast and the seed of the woman, the twelve tribes across the earth, are raptured at the coming of Jesus at the 6th seal. The 144,000 from the twelve tribes are the first fruits of this harvest.


The Lord would not be an angel/messenger. I think you are taking liberties with the text.

Secondly, the trumpets are Gods wrath, and Rev 8 is the beginning of wrath. The Day of Atonement will not happen until after all the trumpets have sounded and the vials have been poured out. Then and only then will the Day of Atonement occur. That alone proves that Revelation 8 and the trumpets have nothing to do with the Day of Atonement.

Can you explain what you mean by, "Notice the great Earthquake at the end of each section." What are the sections?

Only the Lord, the High Priest has the right to officiate at the Golden altar. He is the Messenger of the covenant. Rev. 8 reveals the Lord`s work through the trib. as the Mediator of the New Covenant. And I agree that the `Day` (GK. period of time or one day) will be fulfilled after the vials have been poured out.

The Sections are -

1. At end of trumpets. (Rev. 9: 12 ff. Rev. 16: 18)
2. At the end of the A/C & false prophet ruling. (Rev. 13: 5 Rev. 16: 16 - 18 Rev. 19: 19 & 20)
3. At the end of the vials. (Rev. 16: 17 - 21)
4. When the Lord comes. (Rev. 6: 12 - 17. 16: 16 - 21. Rev. 19: 11 - 21)

 

[Marilyn C]

Yes, there have been many assumptions concerning the time. The prophecies of Revelation will be fulfilled, at what time is mysterious. Many have erred including myself and obviously this guy Joshua.
I am and have been a Mid-Trib/ Pre-Wrath adherent of the Rapture for quite some time. However, I am not absolutely sure and so sometimes give the benefit of my doubts the assumptions, speculations, interpretations or theories of others. I certainly have my own. There will be many false prophets, but not all will be false. That's the problem, so many claimed visions that don't pan out and so when the real one comes, most will not believe it either.
I have reasoned against the Feast of Trumpets as being the time Rapture. Why? The Bible says it will be the last trumpet and so I identify it as the 7th Trumpet in Rev. 11:15. An angel blows that trumpet, NOT A MAN, NOR IS IT A SHOFAR. The sound of that trumpet will come from heaven and it will be huge. The Lord won't be waiting for some priest down below for a signal. That seems absurd. But it would be ironic, A blind Jew blowing a shofar and unbeknownst to him, the rapture happens, the Jews finally see Jesus descending and this enormous feeling of shame envelops them, a realization that all along Jesus was/ is the Messiah they have been waiting for. They mourn their big blunder, but still it is not too late for them. They'll miss the rapture but a remnant of them will believe ( Romans 11).
Still, I think Jesus gives the command to an angel to blow the last trumpet.

Hi Ronald,

I see your reasoning. However, the Feasts were given to Israel as their overview of God`s work for them. The `last trump` is NOT of the feasts but symbolic for God`s voice to the Body of Christ. (Rev. 1: 10)

 

[Jay Ross]

I was taught long ago by a Pastor/professor, who was gifted, a PhD, etc., that Deuteronomy and Leviticus are NOT applicable to Christians. We are not under the Law. That said, the promise given to them: "those who curse you will be cursed and those who bless you will be blessed," did not expire - it stands to this day.

Wow, a gifted PhD pastor/professor who disagreed with Christ who did not come to change the Law but to fulfil it. Christ confirmed that the Law had not changed but that that the condition of our hearts tends to ignore the "Law" to suit our own desires. God's laws today are just as applicable to Christians today as it was and still is applicable to the nation of Israel.

America today, and Australia also, is experiencing God's wrath/suffering because our respective nations are acting God like. Come to think of it the whole world is acting God like because they believe that they can control what God already controls with respect to the weather and what they are calling Climate Change are the signs that God is allowing the weather to change because of the hard hearts of the nations and people of the earth.

How did God tell Solomon that the nations can have their lands healed. This is found in the OT is it not? As such you are saying that this learned and programmed professor with a PhD has dispatched most oof the scriptures to the wastepaper bin because only the NT, he believes, is applicable to all of the people of the earth since the time of Christ.

Wow, I'm always asking, especially in the last 10 years, "How much longer can the world descend into this dark abyss of evil before the Lord intervenes and says that's enough"? And you think the world could actually survive for another thousand years?

The world will descend into the dark abyss of evil for another twenty years when Isaiah 24:21-22 will become a reality on the face of the earth and John in the Book of Revelation in the Sixth Bowl judgement describes the bringing of the Covenant of Peace to the earth for 1,000 years before the Little While Period when the imprisoned entities will be released for a time to bring, what we call the great tribulation upon the people who are living at that time.

I think we are in the last days.

People have been making that claim since the time of Christ's first advent. However, the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers of the nation of Israel during the first and second generation/age of the existence of Israel has to come to its completion during the third and the fourth generation/age of Israel after which time God will begin gathering the Israelites to Himself and after washing them, He will renew with them the Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession among the Nations Covenant which they had rebelled against while they were encamped at the base of the mountain that Moses went up to talk with God face to face.

Here's a hypothetical scenario:

If a major earthquake destroys the entire Californian coast in 2026 and I mean in the 8.0+ range and the economy collapses, then a few months later Yellowstone erupts and another quake in the Atlantic causes tsunamis that destroy the East Coast cities the following year, would you then think maybe the Lord will be returning sooner than you thought?​

If you are looking for earthquakes as a "sign" that the end of times for mankind will be heralded by them, then you have been led by a hook through your nose into misunderstanding by the translators of the NT when they insisted that the Greek Word "Seismos" should have the meaning of "earthquake" instead of having the meaning of "turmoil." As such people are looking for earthquakes which will herald in the End days before the return of Christ to judge the people.

And in answer to your question, I do not think that the Lord will be returning sooner than I have discerned from the scriptures. God's timeline for mankind has been set and nothing that will happen in our future will cause its completion to happen earlier that what has been decreed by God.

I am not fearful of what the future may hold for myself. I can only be responsible for my responses to what lies ahead. It is the people around me who will be responsible for their own responses to what lies ahead and there will be no easy way out for anyone of us such that we will not experience the tribulation as it unfolds in the last days during the Little While Period.

God rapturing the Saints out before the tribulation means that the Saints will not be refined in the fire of the Tribulation.

I need to be refined and not to be afraid because whatever I may face, I know that the Lord will be with me and that I will have nothing to fear because of His presence with me during this time of Great Tribulation.

However, I also know that the Great tribulation is still over a 1,000-years into our distant future and that I should not be focussing on what might happen tomorrow but rather on what is in front of me today to face.

Shalom

 

[ewq1938]

Wrong HOW?

The seals have not happened they are prophecy. Do you disagree?

I've already made my position clear and it has gone unchallenged and unaddressed.

The sun and moon are darkened, and the stars fall from heaven after the 6th seal is opened. CHECK......SO FAR SO GOOD.

Immediately after the tribulation of those days, the sun and moon are darked, and the stars fall from heaven and then the sign of the Son of man shall appear and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

There you have it.........when the sun and moon are darkened and the stars fall from heaven, the 6th seal is opened and Jesus appears with power and glory. SIMPLE.

Nothing confusing whatsoever.

You are confused because you think the events described by the seal happen when the seal is opened. They don't happen anymore than they happened in Matthew 24. I'm replying to you but speaking to others Ie: not trying to convince you.

 

[The Light]

Hi Ronald,

I see your reasoning. However, the Feasts were given to Israel as their overview of God`s work for them. The `last trump` is NOT of the feasts but symbolic for God`s voice to the Body of Christ. (Rev. 1: 10)

Hi Marilyn,

I believe the last trump of 1 Corinthians 15 is blown on the Feast of Trumpets. It will be the rapture of the 12 tribes across the earth, the seed of the woman Israel.

The trump of God of 1 Thes 4 is the voice of God.

 

[The Light]

I've already made my position clear and it has gone unchallenged and unaddressed.

I guess you have missed all the posts I have made, where I have stated that the seals are prophecy. When Jesus tells us of His coming, that is prophecy also.

Your above comment above is taken from a page out of WPM's playbook. Deny you were answered. Pretend it didn't happen. I would think you were above that nonsense.

You are confused because you think the events described by the seal happen when the seal is opened.

Of course, I think that the events will happen when the seal is actually opened. What else could you possibly think happens when those seals are actually opened.

John has a vision of the seals. They are not opened when he has the vision. They are a prophecy of what will happen when the seals are actually opened.

They don't happen anymore than they happened in Matthew 24. I'm replying to you but speaking to others Ie: not trying to convince you.

I don't have any clue how you come up with this. Both the seals and Matthew 24 are prophecy. What Jesus tells us in Matthew 24 is exactly what John's vision of the 1st 6 seals.

The first four seals are the beginning of sorrows of Matthew 24.
The fifth seal is the Great Tribulation of Matthew 24.
The 6th seal is the coming of Jesus in Matthew 24 as marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars.

 

[The Light]

Only the Lord, the High Priest has the right to officiate at the Golden altar. He is the Messenger of the covenant. Rev. 8 reveals the Lord`s work through the trib. as the Mediator of the New Covenant. And I agree that the `Day` (GK. period of time or one day) will be fulfilled after the vials have been poured out.

Do you understand that the trumpets and vials both happen in the same timeframe?

The seals are opened in order. Then when the 7th seal is opened the trumpets and vials happen in order 1st trumpet, 1st vial, 2nd trumpet, 2nd vial etc. etc.

The Sections are -

1. At end of trumpets. (Rev. 9: 12 ff. Rev. 16: 18)
2. At the end of the A/C & false prophet ruling. (Rev. 13: 5 Rev. 16: 16 - 18 Rev. 19: 19 & 20)
3. At the end of the vials. (Rev. 16: 17 - 21)
4. When the Lord comes. (Rev. 6: 12 - 17. 16: 16 - 21. Rev. 19: 11 - 21)

I feel like there might be a real gem here, but I can't quite grasp it. Thank you for answering.

 

[ewq1938]

I guess you have missed all the posts I have made, where I have stated that the seals are prophecy.

Yet you claim the events happen when the seal is opened which is not prophecy. Only I believe it's prophecy, including after it was opened. No event literally happens at the time of the opening. It only shows what will come in the future, which is prophecy.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

God's laws today are just as applicable to Christians today as it was and still is applicable to the nation of Israel.

If you want to live by the laws in Leviticus, go ahead

Wow, a gifted PhD pastor/professor who disagreed with Christ who did not come to change the Law but to fulfil it

I think he has a handle on who Christ is and what He expects of us. We are under the Law of Love, love God and love your neighbor. Christ did fulfill the Law for us. The Jews could not keep it nor could we. His sacrifice was sufficient, salvation is not by works of the Law, it is a gift.

America today, and Australia also, is experiencing God's wrath

God has judged mankind since the beginning. The wages of sin is death and we all die sooner or later. But we haven't yet seen the wrath of God against the entire world as described in the Seven Bowls.

The world will descend into the dark abyss of evil for another twenty years when Isaiah 24:21-22 will become a reality on the face of the earth and John in the Book of Revelation in the Sixth Bowl judgement describes the bringing of the Covenant of Peace to the earth for 1,000 years before the Little While Period when the imprisoned entities will be released for a time to bring, what we call the great tribulation upon the people who are living at that time.

You can think that I you choose ... I don't.

If you are looking for earthquakes as a "sign" that the end of times for mankind will be heralded by them, then you have been led by a hook through your nose into misunderstanding by the translators of the NT when they insisted that the Greek Word "Seismos" should have the meaning of "earthquake" instead of having the meaning of "turmoil."

Massive Earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, tsunamis with increased frequency and power that hurl the world's economy to collapse, causing hundreds of millions of deaths is great, not something that we have seen. Earthquakes will certainly causing turmoil, how could you separate the two?

If you are looking for earthquakes as a "sign" that the end of times for mankind will be heralded by them, then you have been led by a hook through your nose into misunderstanding by the translators of the NT when they insisted that the Greek Word "Seismos" should have the meaning of "earthquake" instead of having the meaning of "turmoil."

I just gave a scenario of part of the Great Tribulation. Matthew 24 includes earthquakes in with the Beginning of Sorrows. During the Great Tribulation period of 3.5 years, over half the population on earth die. That's pretty extreme. All I'm asking you is that when you start seeing hundreds millions die, starting in the next few years, wouldn't you change your view of it not happening for another thousand years?

God rapturing the Saints out before the tribulation means that the Saints will not be refined in the fire of the Tribulation.

A true Christian is born again spiritually, ready at any moment to go to heaven. Our flesh we leave behind. We are presented pure and spotless. If you feel you need to be more refined, maybe you are not yet born again? Those left behind will be put throught the fire for sure. Many Christians are currently being persecuted, even getting their heads chopped off. I am a Mid-Trib adherent, so I think we will go throw some testing, but not the bowls of wrath. We'll be taken out at the last trumpet (#7) IMHO.

 

[Jay Ross]

God has judged mankind since the beginning. The wages of sin is death and we all die sooner or later. But we haven't yet seen the wrath of God against the entire world as described in the Seven Bowls.

History tells us that the seventh bowl judgement was fulfilled during the last century.

History also confirms that the Six bowl judgement is presently unfolding at this moment and will come to its completion in around 20 years' time.

The rest of the bowl judgement will unfold in the distant future during the Little While Period in the reverse order that they are presented in Rev 16.

Many Christians are focused upon a brand-new covenant however Christ refreshed the Salvation Covenant process by which our sins will be absolved.

A little bit different to what you have said.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

History tells us that the seventh bowl judgement was fulfilled during the last century.

History also confirms that the Six bowl judgement is presently unfolding at this moment and will come to its completion in around 20 years' time.

The rest of the bowl judgement will unfold in the distant future during the Little While Period in the reverse order that they are presented in Rev 16.

Many Christians are focused upon a brand-new covenant however Christ refreshed the Salvation Covenant process by which our sins will be absolved.

A little bit different to what you have said.

Ahhh ... So dat's da way it goes! That interpretation reminds me of a story I heard long ago ... when I was a boy:
" Two women were on there way to Disneyland. They saw a sign on the road that said, [Disneyland Left]. They started crying and went home." Bugs Bunny

 

[Jay Ross]

Ahhh ... So dat's da way it goes! That interpretation reminds me of a story I heard long ago ... when I was a boy:
" Two women were on there way to Disneyland. They saw a sign on the road that said, [Disneyland Left]. They started crying and went home." Bugs Bunny

Your story reminds me of the Pre-tribbers etc. who are looking for a way out so as not to face the Great Tribulation without reading the signs correctly that tells us how far it will be in time before it will happen and that the "Christians" alive at that time must go through that period of Great Tribulation.

As someone in the scientific used to say many years ago, "Why is this so?" The same question is applicable to many "Christian theological theories" which have no bases in the actual scriptures.

What is the most painful thing that many people fear is "CHANGE" and they will do everything that they can to avoid that change.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Your story reminds me of the Pre-tribbers etc. who are looking for a way out so as not to face the Great Tribulation without reading the signs correctly that tells us how far it will be in time before it will happen and that the "Christians" alive at that time must go through that period of Great Tribulation.

As someone in the scientific used to say many years ago, "Why is this so?" The same question is applicable to many "Christian theological theories" which have no bases in the actual scriptures.

What is the most painful thing that many people fear is "CHANGE" and they will do everything that they can to avoid that change.

Christians want change, a change from this fallen world to a Paradise reborn, a change from our dying flesh into new resurrected bodies, a change that rids the earth from sin and evil.
A true Christian does not fear. Fear is the opposite of faith. I don't choose a rapture scenario because I'm afraid to face persecution or catastrophic disasters. We choose the scenario that closely aligns with Biblical prophecy. Seems like you your view is backwards

 

[Jay Ross]

Christians want change, a change from this fallen world to a Paradise reborn, a change from our dying flesh into new resurrected bodies, a change that rids the earth from sin and evil.
A true Christian does not fear. Fear is the opposite of faith. I don't choose a rapture scenario because I'm afraid to face persecution or catastrophic disasters. We choose the scenario that closely aligns with Biblical prophecy. Seems like you your view is backwards

I know that I do not have a view that is backwards or contrary to scripture.

Please quote and reference the biblical prophecy that you suggest supports your point of view.

Thanks

 

[The Light]

Yet you claim the events happen when the seal is opened which is not prophecy.

Absolutely events happen when each seal is actually opened. You say this is not prophecy. BINGO. It's the fulfillment of prophecy.

Only I believe it's prophecy, including after it was opened. No event literally happens at the time of the opening. It only shows what will come in the future, which is prophecy.

Your logic and reasoning are left wanting.

I cannot understand why you make the simplest of things an issue.

One more time. John has a vision of 7 seven seals opening, When the seals are actually opened, the events described will actually occur. THIS IS THE FULFILLMENT OF PROPHECY.

Simple.

 

[ewq1938]

Absolutely events happen when each seal is actually opened. You say this is not prophecy. BINGO. It's the fulfillment of prophecy.


Your logic and reasoning are left wanting.

I cannot understand why you make the simplest of things an issue.

One more time. John has a vision of 7 seven seals opening, When the seals are actually opened, the events described will actually occur. THIS IS THE FULFILLMENT OF PROPHECY.

Simple.

Simple and wrong.

One more time. John has a vision of 7 seven seals opening, When the seals are actually opened, the events described DO NOT occur. THIS IS PROPHECY of future events that happen much later. Jesus opened all the seals when he ascended, and the text shows him opening all of them in a short time .

 

[Earburner]

I have been inundated with many Youtube videos about the Rapture happening on Sept. 23-24, 2025. But many of them seemed fake, fabrications generated by AI.
This is popular now, AI generated stories or ads that are very articulate, creative as if written by a Phd in Journalism. Adults and children telling stories of accidents, (NDE's), going to heaven, seeing Jesus and returning to give us a message can't possibly all express themselves like Hemingway with a keen knowledge of the Bible.
AI can develop a story as one prompts it with particular parameters, styles, in line with Biblical truths in such a brilliant way - in seconds - with access to and information sifted from 5 billion books. It is quite amazing. But that is the flaw in it, it is not communicated in a common way.
So after listening to many of these fake AI stories that are usually generated for monetary purposes, which have all taken advantage of this date to attract attention, I just about dismissed the whole idea. Btw, it is the Feast of Trumpets on Tuesday - which many have supposed the last trumpet would be part of.
I woke up this morning and a notion came to me. When did these stories start appearing? Recently, most of them in August and September this year. But where did they get this idea? There must have been an original claim, with a real person talking and giving his account. And I found one story. The difference is, this one is not a near death experience, it was a 2018 Vision by this South African Christian named Joshua.
I don't know at this point if he is the real deal ... but maybe? But his story is interesting, it doesn't seem fabricated, he doesn't sound like a liar. What say you?
Don't mean to freak you out ... I mean I have been talking about this for 25 years and anticipating His return. And so I feel like the boy who cried wolf enough times and after a while, when a wolf really came, nobody would believe him.
Just pray everyday, ask Him to bless your family and keep you safe. Be thankful for what God has given you. He will return soon. ??? Please read 1 Cor. 15:51-55 & 1 Thes. 4:16-17
BTW, this goes against my belief sbout the timing of last trumpet, which I have for years believed it was the 7th Trumpet in Rev. 11:15. Oh well.

Here it is: https://share.google/eCLgNLuK2SMR0klwm

*** PREMILLENNIAL SAFE ZONE, NO AMILLENNIALS PLEASE!

***Addendum SEPT. 30:
The dates have come and gone and most believe Joshua's prediction to be false. However, a new lifeline has been thrown to Joshua ... who was dillisioned and confused! IF the Old Julian calendar used for 1500 years is used during Jesus' time, those dates are 13 days behind the Gregorian Calendar. Sounds erroneous! Oh well, no skin off my back ...
I'll give it the benefit of the doubt. The full moon (a super and harvest moon), will appear at 6:47 AM Jerusalem time on the 7th. So on the 9th, I will call it what it is, the rest of you have already made up your mind.

"The Rapture" (and the end of explaining it) is completely described in KJV Luke 17:28-30 and 2Thes. 1:7-10.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

"The Rapture" (and the end of explaining it) is completely described in KJV Luke 17:28-30 and 2Thes. 1:7-10.

I lean towards His Coming/RAPTURE as the same event, NOT two ( a secret rapture then 7 years later for judgment. Be comes, blows the last trumpet, separates the wheat from the chaff, then His wrath comes. The Left Behind series had it wrong IMHO. I could be wrong. I am not a. Adherent toothed Gap theory; the Galilean Wedding format makes sense.

 

[marks]

the Galilean Wedding format makes sense.

Are you aware of any ancient, or even greater then 100 years old, source material describing this? I've looked for years but not found anything. Can you point me in a direction?

Much love!

 

[Douggg]

Yet you claim the events happen when the seal is opened which is not prophecy. Only I believe it's prophecy, including after it was opened. No event literally happens at the time of the opening. It only shows what will come in the future, which is prophecy.

Yes, the 7 seals are prophecy - of what will take place in the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27. The seals were opened by Jesus in heaven at the time John was there, to reveal what would happen in the end times when Jesus returns to this earth.

Seal 1 is the beginning of the 7 years with the rider on the white horse (an apparent messiah) being the Antichrist being given a crown - that of being anointed the King of Israel messiah (thought to be by the Jews for a while).

Seal 6 the parting of the universe, shaking of the heavens, is near the very end of the 7 years, as the sign of the Son of man appears in heaven (Matthew 24:29-30a).

Matthew 24:
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.