Curious George (Carlin Style)

[2bme]

It was Goerge Carlin who said it's the public who suck in his bit about politician's:

Now I've been thinking on his point's about how the public are implicated when they vote for incompetent leader's. I've observed how people do the same when they blame the corporation's for everything today. Complaining about how they have become monolithically powerful and corrupted. Well the corporation's didn't become an all powerfull force today without someone giving them money. Where did they get so much money in such a short time? How did they become so powerful without anyone noticing? It's not like they had some secret trade route with aliens on mars who flooded the commercial zone's with latnium. It was the public who willingly handed over all their hard earned middle-class money and made those corporation's rich. We the ignorant public did this to ourselves. We believed everything those advertisement gurus told us, we believed everything we purchased was good for us and our children and we the people became name-brand only people.

 

[2bme]

 

[Riven]

He was right in more ways than one. Our country was sold to the highest bidder, and this Christian religion was spoon fed to the population to make the peasants content with their discontent.

 

[Matthias]

… this Christian religion was spoon fed to the population to make the peasants content with their discontent.

The biblical purpose of preaching the gospel isn’t, and never has been, ”to make peasants content with their discontentment.” However, that’s not to deny that there are some who have preached the gospel for ulterior reasons.

 

[Riven]

The biblical purpose of preaching the gospel isn’t, and never has been, ”to make peasants content with their discontentment.” However, that’s not to deny that there are some who have preached the gospel for ulterior reasons.

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That's what I'm referring to. The Romans loved the idea of Christianity teaching people to not hold their leaders accountable, and to only focus on the hereafter.

 

[Matthias]

That's what I'm referring to. The Romans loved the idea of Christianity teaching people to not hold their leaders accountable, and to only focus on the hereafter.

Why would Christian leaders be interested in holding pagan Roman government leaders accountable for their anti-Christian actions? How would they even go about doing such a thing?

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Thinking about the limited interaction between the Messiah and the pagan government he lived under.

 

[Riven]

Why would Christian leaders be interested in holding pagan Roman government leaders accountable for their anti-Christian actions? How would they even go about doing such a thing?

Well ideally one would hold their leaders accountable regardless of what they personally believe. I used the Romans as an example, but it applies to today's leaders just as well.

If you're a politician, you don't want people to think critically about the things you say or do. You'll have noticed that they're very fond of slogans.

The issue is that Christianity preaches to only concern yourself with the hereafter. My argument is that this is very convenient for these politicians and other unsavory types.

 

[Matthias]

Well ideally one would hold their leaders accountable regardless of what they personally believe. I used the Romans as an example, but it applies to today's leaders just as well.

If you're a politician, you don't want people to think critically about the things you say or do. You'll have noticed that they're very fond of slogans.

I have a humorous “slogan story” but I’ll save it for another time. (I shared it in a meeting with a “Christian” government leader and he did everything in his power thereafter to harm me. Unfortunately for him, I had in my possession a hand written document “buried on the farm” that one of his subordinates neglected to order me to destroy when he instructed me to replace a report I had written with a false report. He quickly capitulated when, minutes after he had my employment terminated, I made it known to him. He immediately reversed his decision, retired shortly afterwards, and I remained employed for another twenty years.)

The issue is that Christianity preaches to only concern yourself with the hereafter.

That’s not what true Christianity preaches.

My argument is that this is very convenient for these politicians and other unsavory types.

I will share this short story with you. I was once ordered to do something unethical by a mid-level “Christian” supervisor (not mine) who was rumored to be taking money under the table to circumvent the law. When I refused, he glared at me and growled that I had no choice. I told him that I worked for the people. He swiftly corrected me, saying, that I didn’t work for the people - I worked for the politicians. I told him that we should discuss it with my supervisor. He flashed a smile, stared at me for a couple of seconds, then said he would have one of the new engineers (who I was training at the time) in his program do it. (I advised the new engineer not to do it, but he did. He became disillusioned and soon went to work for a private civil engineering firm. His manager retired a couple of years later.)

 

[Riven]

That’s not what true Christianity preaches.

Then why did you quote scripture that essentially says not to worry about wordly matters? You've said yourself that it's all temporary. I agree that it's temporary, but I think it still matters.

 

[Matthias]

Then why did you quote scripture that essentially says not to worry about wordly matters?

What passage of scripture are you alluding to?

You've said yourself that it's all temporary. I agree that it's temporary, but I think it still matters.

It does matter. Without civil government there would be lawlessness and chaos.

 

[Riven]

What passage of scripture are you alluding to?

 

[Matthias]

Thanks. Just to be clear, you think the passage says Christians are not to worry about worldly matters. Right?

 

[Riven]

Thanks. Just to be clear, you think the passage says Christians are not to worry about worldly matters. Right?

In the context of politics, yes.

 

[Matthias]

In the context of politics, yes.

And you equate not worrying about worldly matters (in the context of politics) with preaching that Christians are to only concern themselves with the hereafter. Right?

 

[Riven]

And you equate not worrying about worldly matters (in the context of politics) with preaching that Christians are to only concern themselves with the hereafter. Right?

Yes.

 

[Matthias]

Yes.

Thanks. That’s not what true Christianity preaches.

 

[Riven]

Thanks. That’s not what true Christianity preaches.

So when you posted that verse in response to me complaining about our government, what were you trying to say? You said that our political leaders are placed there by God, and that all of this is temporary, and that I should instead focus my attention towards the kingdom of God.

I guess I'm a little confused at this point at what your position is.

 

[Matthias]

So when you posted that verse in response to me complaining about our government, what were you trying to say? You said that our political leaders are placed there by God, and that all of this is temporary, and that I should instead focus my attention towards the kingdom of God.

I guess I'm a little confused at this point at what your position is.

Have you considered that sometimes God gives rebellious people the rebellious leaders that they deserve?

There’s only one perfect government - the Messiah’s.

 

[Riven]

Have you considered that sometimes God gives rebellious people the rebellious leaders that they deserve?

What does that have to do with what we're talking about? I clarified my position when asked, but you won't offer me the same deference.

 

[Matthias]

What does that have to do with what we're talking about? I clarified my position when asked, but you won't offer me the same deference.

You think true Christianity preaches something that it doesn’t. That’s an education problem combined with a heart issue.

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“Love your neighbor as you love yourself” isn’t “concern yourself only with the hereafter”.