LEFT BEHIND ... what to do?

[Deleted member 26788]

Only non-Christians can be part of those who are left/rejected and there is no rejoicing for them at all.

did you ever read matthew 5:5 “Happy are the mild-tempered ones, since they will inherit the earth.'' are you saying the rejected are the ones that receive the earth ?

Psalm 37:11​

11 But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth, And they will indeed find their exquisite delight in the abundance of peace.

 

[ewq1938]

are you saying the rejected are the ones that receive the earth ?

No.

 

[rebuilder 454]

What the Bible does not say is this, that anyone is left behind because of a 'Pretrib' rapture. If I am wrong about that then where does the Bible say that? Therefore, the OP is not valid since it assumes things not even true, that because of a Pretrib rapture we end up with the earth only being populated by those left behind.

Obviously, if there was a Pretrib rapture we would undeniably end up with a planet only consisting of those left behind. That's not in question per that scenario. What is in question is this alleged Pretrib rapture that the Bible knows nothing about. IOW, can't have anyone left behind unless there is a Pretrib rapture first.

Matt 24 has one taken, one left BEFORE THE FLOOD.
Then 13 verses later in mat 25 Jesus says that same dynamic of half taken is depicted vividly.

You can not honestly say it Is not there.

 

[Earburner]

This question was asked AI: If the Rapture of the Church occurred with over 2 billion people taken out of the Great Tribulation that just started and were caught up into Heaven, what advice would you give those left behind?

AI answer:

"Seek salvation and endure persecution

• Repent and put your faith in Jesus: The Bible states that salvation will still be possible during the Tribulation. A great multitude of people from every nation will come to faith during this time. Your first step should be to repent of your sins and trust in Jesus Christ as your savior.
• Understand the cost: Accepting Christ during the Tribulation will likely come at a heavy price. The Antichrist will demand worship and allegiance, and many new believers will be persecuted and killed for their faith. The Bible says, "the one who endures to the end will be saved" (Matthew 24:13).
• Refuse the Mark of the Beast: The book of Revelation warns that anyone who takes the Mark of the Beast will be subject to God's wrath. No matter the hardship—including an inability to buy or sell—you must refuse this mark on your hand or forehead.

Prepare practically and spiritually

• Find a Bible: Bibles will become extremely rare, and you will need to find one to understand God's plan and promises. Seek a physical copy, as electronics may fail or be used for control.
• Avoid the new world religion: Do not attend any churches that remain, as they are believed to be controlled by the False Prophet. This false religion will promote deception and false miracles. Seek other true believers for underground fellowship instead.
• Leave urban areas: Jesus advised those in Judea to flee to the mountains to escape persecution. Large cities and populated areas will likely be dangerous and tightly controlled by the Antichrist's forces.

Do not despair

• Recognize the deception: The world will be flooded with propaganda and false explanations for the disappearance of millions of people. Do not believe these lies, such as stories of alien abductions.
• Trust in God's provision: While life will be extremely difficult, the Bible gives accounts of God protecting and providing for his followers during times of severe trial. Seek wisdom and trust that God will help you endure.
• Share the message with others: Your survival through faith can serve as a testament to others. Though you will need to be vigilant, you can help guide other people toward salvation.
• Keep your eyes on the end: The Tribulation is not the end of the story. After this period, Jesus Christ will return in power and glory to establish His kingdom and bring the final defeat of evil."

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Actually, I couldn't have summed it up better - not bad!
So the prize of eternal salvation is waiting for whosoever calls out to Jesus and asks for forgiveness and puts their faith in Him. Though you will likely suffer and die, you'll be saved.

LOL....There is no one left behind alive in the day when Jesus returns in flaming fire!!
KJV- Luke 17:28-30, KJV- 2 Thes. 1:7-10.

 

[ewq1938]

LOL....There is no one left behind alive in the day when Jesus returns in flaming fire!!
KJV- Luke 17:28-30, KJV- 2 Thes. 1:7-10.

Rev 19 proves you wrong. The flaming fire is related to how he returns, not a weapon used against anyone. He will use a symbolic sword to kill, but that is just killing an army not a global slaughter (which is not scriptural)

 

[Earburner]

Rev 19 proves you wrong. The flaming fire is related to how he returns, not a weapon used against anyone. He will use a symbolic sword to kill, but that is just killing an army not a global slaughter (which is not scriptural)

KJV- 2 Thes. 1
[7]......WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

It is plainly obvious that there will be none of the UNSAVED left alive on earth.
However, all WHO are alive, having faith in Jesus, they are those who ARE present upon His Glorious return in flaming fire.
[10] WHEN he [Jesus] shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them [who are they] that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) IN THAT DAY [and not some other additional future day].
KJV Luke 17:28-30.

 

[quietthinker]

LEFT BEHIND ... what to do?​

Let there be no separation between left and right behind!

 

[ewq1938]

KJV- 2 Thes. 1
[7]......WHEN the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
[8] In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
[9] Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

It is plainly obvious that there will be none of the UNSAVED left alive on earth.

On the New Earth, but the Mill is during the time the old still exists. Rev 19 promises a rule over the unsaved nations after his return.

 

[Earburner]

On the New Earth, but the Mill is during the time the old still exists. Rev 19 promises a rule over the unsaved nations after his return.

Luke 17:28-33
[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

[29] But the SAME [24 hour] DAY that Lot went out of Sodom [Gen. 19:15-29] it rained fire and brimstone FROM heaven, and destroyed THEM ALL [within 24 hours].
[30] EVEN THUS shall it be in the [24 hour]  DAY WHEN the Son of man is revealed [in flaming fire taking vengeance]. Ref. 2 Thes. 1:7-10.

[31] In that [24 hour] DAY, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
[32] Remember Lot's wife.
[33] Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it;
and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. Ref. 2 Thes. 1:7-10.

Rev. 19 is nothing more than the details of what will take place upto and during that 24 hour DAY.

Note: Do not allow the book of Revelation to teach to you NT doctrine, but rather allow NT doctrine to teach to you what the book of Revelation is saying by His Holy Spirit.

1 Cor. 2
[5] That your faith should not stand in the wisdom [doctrines] of men, but [rather] in [by] the power [Spirit] of God.

[12] Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
[13] Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

LOL....There is no one left behind alive in the day when Jesus returns in flaming fire!!
KJV- Luke 17:28-30, KJV- 2 Thes. 1:7-10.

So I guess that means you are an another Amillennialist?.If so, no sense in continuing our conversation - it's futile.

 

[Earburner]

So I guess that means you are an another Amillennialist?.If so, no sense in continuing our conversation - it's futile.

Sorry that you have been listening to "the wisdom of men", and not that which "the Holy Spirit teaches". Please study all of 1 Cor. ch. 2.

Not all Theologians, Pastors, Evangelists etc. are led by the Holy Spirit, but rather teach only what their denominational Bible colleges** have taught them!!!

**Note: full of indoctrinated teachers and professors.

 

[Truth7t7]

Pre-tribbers don't teach that people could wait until after the rapture to be saved as an option if they so choose.

Pre-tribbers teach today is the day of salvation and be taken in the rapture before the 70th week begins.

Separate from any rapture timing view, the fact is that there will be people saved during the great tribulation. But it is not a desirable path to take.

Pre-Tribbers teach the 2nd chance, the false teaching has the church being raptured and those left on earth being given the 2nd chance, the teaching is Malarkey

 

[ewq1938]

Luke 17:28-33
[28] Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;

[29] But the SAME [24 hour] DAY that Lot went out of Sodom [Gen. 19:15-29] it rained fire and brimstone FROM heaven, and destroyed THEM ALL [within 24 hours].
[30] EVEN THUS shall it be in the [24 hour]  DAY WHEN the Son of man is revealed [in flaming fire taking vengeance]. Ref. 2 Thes. 1:7-10.

[31] In that [24 hour] DAY, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
[32] Remember Lot's wife.
[33] Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it;
and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. Ref. 2 Thes. 1:7-10.

That was a non-global slaughter happening to a few cities. You prove my point and disprove yours.

 

[ewq1938]

So I guess that means you are an another Amillennialist?.If so, no sense in continuing our conversation - it's futile.

SDA

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

SDA

Ahhh. Well then, maybe they'll sleep through the Millennail Kingdom and then wake up?

 

[ewq1938]

Ahhh. Well then, maybe they'll sleep through the Millennail Kingdom and then wake up?

I guess but someone is awake in heaven where their Mill takes place.

 

[Davy]

Maybe so, but it is possible that He could not come like a thief if a Great Tribulation woke everyone up. Wouldn't they all suspect, "Ah, the catastrophies of the Bible are right in front of our eyes, happenning just as it is written - gee, this must mean the Lord is returning?"
Nope, it appears they won't suspect anything because He comes "as in the days of Noah, people were just going about their everyday business, getting married, getting a double double at In & Out, waiting in line for the movie Tron: Ares or Black Phone 2.
No, a Great Tribulation where more than half of people die on the planet would give it away - don't ya think?

You really don't know how that what is actually written in The Bible strongly disagrees with much of what you've said above. Your conclusions about the end come simply because of the pre-trib rapture preachers you've been listening to.

The Bible teaches that the war and chaos time happens just PRIOR to the "great tribulation". That's what Lord Jesus taught (per Matt.24). He said we'd hear of wars and rumors of wars, but NOT to be troubled, for those things must be, BUT the END is not yet. What's the opposite of wars? A time of PEACE. So the "great tribulation" is actually going to involve WORLD PEACE created by the false one. That's what Daniel 8 says too, that the false one will destroy many USING PEACE, and craft will prosper by his hand. This is why Apostle Paul warned in 1 Thessalonians 5 that when the deceived start saying world peace and safety has come, then get ready for the END of this world with the day of God's Wrath will be just around the corner.

The coming false-Messiah to Jerusalem is going to PLAY The Lord Jesus Christ, with miracles in plain sight. He will be a SUPERNATURAL BEING, not a pope, not a Baptist preacher, not a President, nor like any of past history's empire leaders. He is coming with the aim for the DECEIVED to worship him IN PLACE OF GOD.


There will be only TWO types of followers during the "great tribulation":

1. those who keep The Faith in Jesus Christ all the way to the end when Jesus comes after the great tribulation to gather His elect Church. These do not fear death, and will be the ones which Satan's host will come after, because they know the Truth and cannot be deceived.

2. those who go into the great tribulation DECEIVED, and remain DECEIVED throughout it, until they see Jesus coming in the clouds with His army and great glory. These will believe in the fake-world peace the false-Messiah will claim has come with fixing all the world's problems. Through supernatural working he will establish his kingdom as a mimic of Christ's future literal physical Kingdom on earth. The majority will be deceived, including many brethren.

This means however one believes going into the time of the "great tribulation", that is how they will remain throughout it. An example are the unbelieving Jews who reject Jesus of Nazareth as The Christ. God's Word reveals the majority of Jews will remain in that unbelief until Jesus appears. Zechariah 12 reveals when they see Him, they will mourn for Him, every family apart. And that aligns with the prophecy Apostle Paul taught in Romans 11 about the deceived unbelieving majority of Jews which God put the "spirit of slumber" upon until the fullness of the Gentiles is complete, which will only be on the day of Jesus' return.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

This is why Apostle Paul warned in 1 Thessalonians 5 that when the deceived start saying world peace and safety has come, then get ready for the END of this world with the day of God's Wrath will be just around the corner

I know. I suspect this new Peace Treaty may have something to do with that although it does not include the major players, like Iran, the head of the snake, responsible for these proxy wars.

This means however one believes going into the time of the "great tribulation", that is how they will remain throughout it.

You either believe in Christ or not and that determines whether you participate in the Rapture or not. But there are those are on the fence who after the Rapture would change their minds, don't you think?
What you are saying suggests Christ makes a clear and strict division between the wheat and the tares and anyone left behind is toast. Then who would repopulate the earth during the Millennial Kingdom? The remnant Jews ( as stated in Rom. 11) will be left behind and protected but ultimately saved.

Zechariah 12 reveals when they see Him, they will mourn for Him, every family apart. And that aligns with the prophecy Apostle Paul taught in Romans 11

Agree.

You really don't know how that what is actually written in The Bible strongly disagrees with much of what you've said above. Your conclusions about the end come simply because of the pre-trib rapture preachers you've been listening to.

Much of what I said? That is a general broad brushed stroke. Why don't you get specific? I actually agree with most of your post and can show you that for years, I've been saying the same things. I haven't been listening to any prophecy preachers for 25 years. I actually disagree with most of them since I'm a Mid -Trib/ Pre-wrath adherent and most of the Pre-Trubbers teach Daniel's 70th week/ Gap theory - which I don't agree with. What I have done is self study in that time.
I think as the Bible says, it will be like the days of Noah ... and a thief in the night. Why? Because though we are actually experiencing the Beginning of Sorrows and the signs ate apparently we ent to Christians that He is soon coming, the rest of the world is still blind. They have a different perspective and interpret these calamities as normal, natural things that have happenned many times throughout history. But they haven't. Israel became a nation again in 1948 after over 1800 years. The Gospel has recently been preached to every nation.
The world is taking sides spiritually as we speak. And we can see how some live in an "alternate reality". Jerusalem has become a stumbling block for many nations (the entire UN) and center stage. Antisemitism is on the rise like never before. Lawlessness is rampant and increasing. Not much time left before Christ returns as I see it.

 

[Davy]

I know. I suspect this new Peace Treaty may have something to do with that although it does not include the major players, like Iran, the head of the snake, responsible for these proxy wars.

Don't know where you got that idea, Iran is represented by Persia in Ezekiel 38 of the nations that will come upon Jerusalem on the last day.

And the idea of a peace treaty is not actually what the confirming of the covenant of Daniel 9:27 means. The confirming of the covenant is about the re-establishing of old covenant worship by the Jews in Jerusalem under authority of the coming false-Messiah.

Also, per Revelation 13:4-8, the "dragon" will have power for 42 months over ALL nations, and that will include Iran.

You either believe in Christ or not and that determines whether you participate in the Rapture or not. But there are those are on the fence who after the Rapture would change their minds, don't you think?
What you are saying suggests Christ makes a clear and strict division between the wheat and the tares and anyone left behind is toast. Then who would repopulate the earth during the Millennial Kingdom? The remnant Jews ( as stated in Rom. 11) will be left behind and protected but ultimately saved.

I believe in a post-trib coming by Lord Jesus. And no, I do not believe those of Faith that are gathered to Christ will change their minds.

The left-behind idea per Jesus in His Word is about HIS ELECT, those NOT deceived by the Antichrist. You have that backwards because of listening to false pre-trib preachers. Jesus showed in Luke 17 and Matthew 24:28 those TAKEN will be taken to wheresoever the fowls are that eat on a dead "carcase."

Much of what I said? That is a general broad brushed stroke. Why don't you get specific? I actually agree with most of your post and can show you that for years, I've been saying the same things. I haven't been listening to any prophecy preachers for 25 years. I actually disagree with most of them since I'm a Mid -Trib/ Pre-wrath adherent and most of the Pre-Trubbers teach Daniel's 70th week/ Gap theory - which I don't agree with. What I have done is self study in that time.

The Mid-trib view still is... a pre-tribulational rapture type theory, and is not written in God's Word. You just have not realized that yet.

ANY... view that supposes the rapture will be prior to the LAST DAY of this world is a pre-trib type rapture theory. Jesus' idea about His coming "as a thief" per Rev.16 is tied to the "day of the Lord" when Peter showed God's consuming fire will burn man's works off this earth. That means the last day of this present world, and that is the day when Jesus comes to gather His faithful Church.

Thus the Mid-Trib view is an idea from men's doctrines, and not The Bible. You didn't create the Mid-trib rapture view, it's been a doctrine pushed by men for a long time.

I think as the Bible says, it will be like the days of Noah ... and a thief in the night. Why? Because though we are actually experiencing the Beginning of Sorrows and the signs ate apparently we ent to Christians that He is soon coming, the rest of the world is still blind. They have a different perspective and interpret these calamities as normal, natural things that have happenned many times throughout history. But they haven't. Israel became a nation again in 1948 after over 1800 years. The Gospel has recently been preached to every nation.
The world is taking sides spiritually as we speak. And we can see how some live in an "alternate reality". Jerusalem has become a stumbling block for many nations (the entire UN) and center stage. Antisemitism is on the rise like never before. Lawlessness is rampant and increasing. Not much time left before Christ returns as I see it.

With the flood of Noah, God sealed Noah and his inside the ark. For the last days, those who remain faithful are 'sealed' with God's seal by The Holy Spirit through Faith on Jesus Christ. Noah's ark was 150 days upon the height of the flood waters, and protected inside the ark. But man's false pre-trib rapture idea is different, because Noah's ark would have had to be 'caught up' to Heaven during that flood to be a direct parallel for the end. So exactly how did Lord Jesus mean that the end would be just like the days of Noah?...

1. the 150 days per the Hebrew calendar reckoning equals 5 months. The time of the 'stinging' of the locusts upon those deceived, i.e., those NOT sealed with God's seal, will be "five months" per Rev.9. That suggests that's actually how long the "great tribulation" last, and is the time Jesus said He shortened it to.

2. those outside the ark of Noah represent the deceived who will be thinking Messiah has come, and thus God's perfect Kingdom also, especially with all the supernatural miracles the false-Messiah and his band of brothers are going to do on earth in the sight of men. This does not mean the Church has to be raptured out to survive through this, remember Noah's ark went through... the flood and was protected throughout.

3. The fact that God's "two witnesses" will appear in Jerusalem, and prophesy from there against the beast for 1260 days, and issue plagues like Moses and Aaron did, and then the "two witnesses" are killed by the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit, and the people then send each other gifts because those are killed, exactly what does that reveal about the deceived Jews dwelling there in that time of the "great tribulation"? It reveals they will be deceived and siding with the false-Messiah, and the world peace and safety he is going to bring for all nations, including the prosperity of craft and merchant traffic. He is going to cause a chicken in every pot for those who follow and worship him in place of Christ. And that includes the deceived Jews bowing to that also. So I don't see anti-Semitism in that future "great tribulation" time at all, because that would be suggesting that the Antichrist is only seeking to destroy the Jews, when he will go after specifically the faithful of Christ's Church of both believing Jew and believing Gentile.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Pre-Tribbers teach the 2nd chance, the false teaching has the church being raptured and those left on earth being given the 2nd chance, the teaching is Malarkey

We teach rev14:14 can not, and never will be the same thing as Jesus on a horse with millions of horses and saints blackening the sky in a war battle. (Ahem...the second coming of rev 19. Vs Jesus SITTING ON A CLOUD rev 14:14)

Your ENTIRE DOCTRINE blown apart by EVERY Pretrib verse.

No contest.
The fact that you, and every postribber denies the pile ashes that the bible leaves that doctrine in, is simply amazing.