1 Thessalonians 5:2-3 is not talking about world peace and safety

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Douggg

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Rev 20:1-3 = 1,000 years
Jay, the beast and the false prophet will be cast into the lake of fire at Jesus's return. They will not be coming out of the lake of fire at the end of thousand years to be a part of Satan's final rebellion, of Revelation 20:7-9.

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Not clear, Jay. Is what you are referring to as the little while period...as the little season (kjv) of Revelation 20:3 that Satan will be released from from the bottomless pit?

Revelation 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

Satan will be cast into the bottomless pit at Jesus's return. Then a 1000 years later...

7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

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The little season of Satan's final deception of nations as the last rebellion of Revelation 20:7-9, I show in red on this chart I made.

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Dougggggg, your diagram has a fatal flaw in its presentation which we have discussed time and again and it is pointless to continue this discussion as you have the mistaken belief that y our understanding of scripture is beyond reproach.
 

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Paul wrote in Romans 11:25-26, that when the fullness with respect to time, that has been set for the Gentiles to trample God’s Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts, has drawn to its conclusion, after the 2,300-year period, and the subsequent judgement of the kings of the earth, all of Israel will be saved.
Daniel 8:14, the text says 2300 days, not 2300 years.

Daniel 8:
13 Then I heard one saint speaking, and another saint said unto that certain saint which spake, How long shall be the vision concerning the daily sacrifice, and the transgression of desolation, to give both the sanctuary and the host to be trodden under foot?

14 And he said unto me, Unto two thousand and three hundred days; then shall the sanctuary be cleansed.
 

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Again Dougggg, this is your private interpretation as the Daniel 8:14 time period of the Little Horn trampling God's earthly hosts is still going on at this present time.

Again, this becomes a pointless conversation because of your own private interpretation.

Goodbye. No more conversation is required. All you are doing is spraying into the breeze and getting wet with your own golden liquid.
Jay the text of Daniel 8:14 is 2300 days, I am not making a private interpretation, but I am going by what is written text.

You are the one making a private interpretation that days means years.
 

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Jay the text of Daniel 8:14 is 2300 days, I am not making a private interpretation, but I am going by what is written text.

You are the one making a private interpretation that days means years.

Your diagram has a flawed interpretation contained within it and you are the only one who believes that you are right with this diagram.

Again, this becomes a pointless conversation because of your own private interpretations.

Goodbye. No more conversation is required on your part.
 
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It is sad to think that so called mature "Christians" can argue over whether or not there can be a 1,000-year period of peace and safety before the Bottomless Pit is unlocked so that Satan, the beast(s), the Little Horn and the kings of the earth can rise up out of the earth to bring havoc during the remaining little while period of the Seventh Age.

In Ezekiel 34 God enters into a covenant of Peace with Israel when He will remove the beasts of the fields, i.e. Satan, the Beast(s), the Little Horn and the Kings of the earth trampling the Israelites, for a period of 1,000 years.

We all should be humble enough to understand that many "Christians" are not the sharpest tools in God's toolbox and are not as "smart" or "learned" as what they think or believe.

1 Thess 5:1-11: - 1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 5 You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. 6 Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober/self-controlled. 7 For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. 8 But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation. 9For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, 10 who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him.​


11Therefore comfort/encourage each other and edify one another/build each other up, just as you also are doing.​

We know from scripture when the sudden destruction will come after the Bottomless Pit is unlocked.

Until then we are to bring the full harvest of Souls into God's Everlasting Kingdom.

Shalom
This post is very ironic. Do you own a mirror? If so, look in it.
 

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Isaiah 24:21-22.

Matthew 24:32 = a season is near = Rev 20:1-3 = 1,000 years

Ezekiel 34:25-31: - 25 "I will make a covenant of peace with them and cause wild/evil beasts [1] to cease from the earth; and they will dwell safely in the wilderness and sleep in the woods. 26 I will make them and the places all around My hill [2] a blessing; and I will cause showers to come down in their season; there shall be showers of blessing. 27 Then the trees of the field shall yield their fruit, and the earth shall yield her increase. They shall be safe within my fertile soil/field; and they shall know that I am the Lord, when I have broken the bands of their yoke and delivered them from the hand of those who enslaved them. 28 And they shall no longer be a prey for the nations, nor shall beasts of the earth devour them; but they shall dwell safely, and no one shall make them afraid. 29 I will raise up for them a garden of renown, and they shall no longer be consumed with hunger on the earth, nor bear the shame of the Gentiles anymore. 30 Thus they shall know that I, the Lord their God, am with them, and they, the house of Israel, are My people," says the Lord God.'"​
31 "You are My flock, the flock of My pasture; you are men, and I am your God," says the Lord God.​


Perhaps you have considered these verses before and saw how they were related to each other.



[1] This is a reference to God’s judgement of the beastly Heavenly Hosts who will be judged during the time that God is turning His attention once more towards the Israelites in our near future, around the year 2044 AD give or take a year or so either way because of the uncertainty in the understanding of the relationship between God’s timeframe and man’s understanding.

Isaiah 24:21-22 speaks of God Judging the Heavenly Hosts in Heaven and the kings of the earth on the earth and that they will be gathered together with the kings of the earth and imprisoned in a cistern/pit for many days to await the time of their punishment.

Daniel 7:11-12 also speaks of the time of the judgement of the four Beasts, referred to as the four winds of Heaven in Daniel 7:2 that causes a manifestation of the four respective beasts to rise up out of the sea of humanity with the dominate characteristic of the four respective beasts.

In Revelation 16:12-16 we are told that the kings of the earth after the signs performed by the three foul frog like spirits when they went out from the mouth of the Dragon, the False Prophet and the Beast would be to assemble them for battle, on the great day of God the Almighty at Armageddon where they will be judged as Isaiah 24:21-22 prophesied.

Paul wrote in Romans 11:25-26, that when the fullness with respect to time, that has been set for the Gentiles to trample God’s Sanctuary and His earthly Hosts, has drawn to its conclusion, after the 2,300-year period, and the subsequent judgement of the kings of the earth, all of Israel will be saved.

Ezekiel 34:28 repeats this same theme, where it points a second time to the beasts being removed from the face of the earth and not troubling Israel for a period of 1,000-years.

[2] God is using a metaphor to reference the Religion that will be establish as an integral part of His Everlasting Kingdom during the time of the kings mentioned in the Statue prophecy in Daniel 2 as He begins gathering Israel to Himself after the completion of the visitation of the iniquities of the fathers of the nation of Israel are visited upon their children and the children’s children to the end of the fourth age. The basis of this hill/religion with be the foundation stone that will come down out of heaven for the nation of the Israelites is that Jesus/Christ is the Son of God. The stone that comes down out of heaven we are told in Daniel will become a great mountain and fill the whole earth (Daniel 2:35)​
So, you think 1,000 years can be considered "a little season". And you are trying to talk down about others here? You speak complete nonsense.
 

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So, you think 1,000 years can be considered "a little season". And you are trying to talk down about others here? You speak complete nonsense.

No Spiritual Israelite, I made no mention of a Little Season having a duration of 1,000 years, but the Summer Season that is mentioned in Matthew 24:32 will be 1,000 years long and, as I have mentioned elsewhere, the Little While Period at the end of the seventh age will have a duration of 24 years.

Daniel 7:11-12: - 11 "I watched then because of the sound of the pompous words which the horn was speaking; I watched till the beast was slain, and its body destroyed and given to the burning flame. 12 As for the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away, yet their lives were prolonged for a season and a time.


a Season = 1,000 years
a time = 24 years.

Goodbye
 
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So, you think 1,000 years can be considered "a little season". And you are trying to talk down about others here? You speak complete nonsense.

Sorry, I have attributed your word to being from Douggg, my bad. Now as to speaking complete nonsense, we all have that tendency now and then.
 
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Like Paul, Jesus taught that His return will come unexpectedly. No one knows the day or hour. He will come as a thief in the night, as Jesus Himself said He will (Matt 24:42-44, Luke 12:36-39, Rev 16:15).

`But you, brethren are NOT in darkness, so that this day should overtake you as a thief...` (1 Thess. 5: 4)

The Lord will come as a thief in the night to those in darkness not to the Believers in the Body of Christ.
 

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`But you, brethren are NOT in darkness, so that this day should overtake you as a thief...` (1 Thess. 5: 4)

The Lord will come as a thief in the night to those in darkness not to the Believers in the Body of Christ.
I didn't say that He comes as a thief in the night to believers. Where did you get the idea that I said otherwise?

Only unbelievers will experience the "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3) when Jesus comes as a thief in the night and takes vengeance on them on that day (2 Thess 1:7-9).

Believers, of course, are not appointed to His wrath that will come in the form of "sudden destruction" on the day He returns, so we will instead be changed to put on bodily immortality and caught up to meet Christ in the air on that day (1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:14-17, 2 Thess 1:7-10).
 

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Douggg never said that the little season lasts 1,000 years. In another post you just made you said "a Season = 1,000 years". You seem to be very confused.

You are welcome to your opinion about the confusion of members on this forum.

I am sorry that I did not attribute that slight to you but have now corrected my previous post.
 

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I didn't say that He comes as a thief in the night to believers. Where did you get the idea that I said otherwise?

Only unbelievers will experience the "sudden destruction" from which "they shall not escape" (1 Thess 5:2-3) when Jesus comes as a thief in the night and takes vengeance on them on that day (2 Thess 1:7-9).

Believers, of course, are not appointed to His wrath that will come in the form of "sudden destruction" on the day He returns, so we will instead be changed to put on bodily immortality and caught up to meet Christ in the air on that day (1 Cor 15:50-54, 1 Thess 4:14-17, 2 Thess 1:7-10).
Sorry I misinterpreted what you said. I agree with your good comments.
 
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In another post you just made you said "a Season = 1,000 years". You seem to be very confused.

Spiritual Israel, it seems to me that it is you who is very confused. I have been consistent over the years, that I have been on this forum, that a season has a duration of 1,000 years and that the little while period/time has a duration of 24 years.

Now there will be seven ages before the start of the Age of Eternity.

The Little while period will begin when the Bottomless pit is unlocked after the 1,000 years that the Kings of the earth, Satan, the beast(s) and the Little Horn are gathered to gather an imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment.

When we have all of the ducks lined up, the scripture prophecies make more sense than you understand.

Isaac was born at the beginning of the third age, Christ was born at the beginning of the fifth age, all of Israel will be saved at the beginning of the seventh age and at the beginning of the eight age all of God's Saints will receive their inheritance and will live forever.

Shalom
 

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Spiritual Israel, it seems to me that it is you who is very confused. I have been consistent over the years, that I have been on this forum, that a season has a duration of 1,000 years and that the little while period/time has a duration of 24 years.

Now there will be seven ages before the start of the Age of Eternity.

The Little while period will begin when the Bottomless pit is unlocked after the 1,000 years that the Kings of the earth, Satan, the beast(s) and the Little Horn are gathered to gather an imprisoned for many days to await the time of their punishment.

When we have all of the ducks lined up, the scripture prophecies make more sense than you understand.

Isaac was born at the beginning of the third age, Christ was born at the beginning of the fifth age, all of Israel will be saved at the beginning of the seventh age and at the beginning of the eight age all of God's Saints will receive their inheritance and will live forever.

Shalom
Jay, you use "ages' terms that are not in the bible. "third age", "fifth age", etc are not terms in the bible. That's why no-one responds, nor use in their own posts, in such terms.
 

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Jay, you use "ages' terms that are not in the bible. "third age", "fifth age", etc are not terms in the bible. That's why no-one responds, nor use in their own posts, in such terms.

Douggg, the terms "Day of the Lord", "generation" and "ages" all have the same duration of 1,024 years. Now I know that you are not the sharpest pencil on this forum which is on display in the diagrams that you consistently insert into your posts as if they are factual. You have introduced another 1,000-year period between when the Beast and the Little Horn are dispatched and when Satan is also dispatched into the Lake of Fire. Why is that so?

Now since you cannot get your laughing matter around the End Time Prophecies and how they all fit together does not make you an expert in your own ignorance.

I cannot swat you away like an annoying fly, but time will prove who will be proven right in the near future when the Kings of the earth are drawn to assemble at a place called Armageddon to be judged for their part during this present time of their trampling God's earthly hosts. From what Isaiah has penned, we also know that when the kings of the earth are judged that the heavenly hosts, i.e. beasts, will also be judged.

O well, patience is a virtue that many on this forum lack.
 

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You have introduced another 1,000-year period between when the Beast and the Little Horn are dispatched and when Satan is also dispatched into the Lake of Fire. Why is that so?
Jay, the 1000 year in Revelation 20 is the millennial rule of Jesus, immediately following His return in Revelation 19.

Revelation 19:20 text says that the beast and the false prophet, both will be cast into the lake of fire the day that Jesus returns.

Satan will also be cast into the lake of fire a thousand years later. Revelation 20:10
Douggg, the terms "Day of the Lord", "generation" and "ages" all have the same duration of 1,024 years.
No, the Day of the Lord will extend into eternity. And a generation generally is considered to be 70 to 80 years long.

"third age", "fifth age", etc is something that you came up with - those terms ares not in the bible. No-one else in the forum uses those terms. So stop with the "third age", "fifth age", etc. age stuff.
 

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Jay, the 1000 year in Revelation 20 is the millennial rule of Jesus, immediately following His return in Revelation 19.

Revelation 19:20 text says that the beast and the false prophet, both will be cast into the lake of fire the day that Jesus returns.

Satan will also be cast into the lake of fire a thousand years later. Revelation 20:10

No, the Day of the Lord will extend into eternity. And a generation generally is considered to be 70 to 80 years long.

"third age", "fifth age", etc is something that you came up with - those terms ares not in the bible. No-one else in the forum uses those terms. So stop with the "third age", "fifth age", etc. age stuff.

Douggg, will you stop the nonsense in your posts which are not Biblical. Your above quoted example demonstrates your nonsense where your understanding of the Scriptures is very suspect.

The Hebrew root word H:1755 has the meaning of age, generation and both English words have been used when translating Hebrew words that have the root word H:1755 embedded within the variations of the Root word.

Your reliance upon the modern meaning of English words is your downfall.