Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[amigo de christo]

Yes, I do have an idea.
If we declare Jesus to not be God,,,
then we are destroying Christianity...
which stands or falls on the Person of Jesus and who He was and is.

If Jesus is not God...
Christianity fails.
Christianity falls.

And i turned to see the voice that had spoken too me .
And i saw one like unto the SON of man .
Would you like to know what THIS ONE said to JOHN .
Fear not
I AM THE FIRST and THE LAST .
DOES THAT LANGUAGE , DO THEM WORDS , SOUND FAMILIAR TO YOU .
cause I DARN SURE seen what GOD himself said in the scriptures , even in the old testament .
I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST .
NEVER had MOSES , Abraham , OR ANY PROPHET , said such words about them selves or about man .
THOSE WORDS , that TITLE belonged to GOD .
YET JESUS SAYS THOSE WORDS TO JOHN in h eaven . AINT that something .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, I do have an idea.
If we declare Jesus to not be God,,,
then we are destroying Christianity...
which stands or falls on the Person of Jesus and who He was and is.

If Jesus is not God...
Christianity fails.
Christianity falls.

It is written in the prophets
I AM THE FIRST and THE LAST .
it is written and recorded in one of the books of Moses
TELL THEM I AM has sent thee .
And it is written and recorded in the gospels
that before ABRAHAM was I AM .
It was revealed to JOHN in heaven in what was recorded in the book of revealation
I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST . And JESUS had said that to JOHN
while john was kneeled before him on His face
Fear NOT , I AM the FIRST and the LAST .
AND thus no wonder it was written in the gospel of john .
THAT IN THE BEGINNING was the WORD
and that the WORD was GOD
that HE created all things . Do you e ver get the feeling
THIS GENERATION IS B EING LIED TOO . cause I DARN SURE DO .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes, I do have an idea.
If we declare Jesus to not be God,,,
then we are destroying Christianity...
which stands or falls on the Person of Jesus and who He was and is.

If Jesus is not God...
Christianity fails.
Christianity falls.

what many no l onger realize or even know is
Has anyone ever once asked themselves
WHY GOD didnt just send a mere man to do what had to be done for man .
OR why did he not just send an angel ..............
WHY .
Because none could do what GOD CAN DO .
ONLY GOD could have saved man , could have saved HIS own creation .
The created cannot save itself or man .
BUT THE CREATOR SURE COULD . and this is why THE WORD , which is GOD , became flesh .
we even seen a third of heaven fall .
Man , nor angels can DO WHAT GOD CAN DO and HAD TO DO .

 

[GodsGrace]

what many no l onger realize or even know is
Has anyone ever once asked themselves
WHY GOD didnt just send a mere man to do what had to be done for man .
OR why did he not just send an angel ..............
WHY .
Because none could do what GOD CAN DO .
ONLY GOD could have saved man , could have saved HIS own creation .
The created cannot save itself or man .
BUT THE CREATOR SURE COULD . and this is why THE WORD , which is GOD , became flesh .
we even seen a third of heaven fall .
Man , nor angels can DO WHAT GOD CAN DO and HAD TO DO .

Great post Amigo!
100% correct....
a mere man cannot save mankind...
only God could fix the grave injustice committed by Adam.
He preferred satan over God--- his very creator.
So man was destined for death...
sin is death.

As you've stated... only God can save His creation...
and God did !

 

[amigo de christo]

Great post Amigo!
100% correct....
a mere man cannot save mankind...
only God could fix the grave injustice committed by Adam.
He preferred satan over God--- his very creator.
So man was destined for death...
sin is death.

As you've stated... only God can save His creation...
and God did !

You darn right HE did .
We see something even in the law
and we see HOW GOD sees this .
now watch closely .
In the law it is written that a man cannot be a priest and approach
to perform sacrfices , IF he has any blemish , such a mole , a dwarf , an etc .
No blemish to be seen on the outward body .
But we see something even deeper and clearer
WHEN GOD told samuel something .
Samuel , assumed as man does , WOW this first born son MUST BE the one
GOD has sent me to annoint .
But GOD does not see as man sees , for man often looketh on the outside .
GOD SEES what is on the inside .
Now hold that thought because we would soon see a great mystery come to pass .
FOR what i say to one
i say to all . WHEN YE GO to seek the GREAT HIGH PRIEST
seek ye THE ONE who is without any blemish ON THE INSIDE .
now i know , i know , one might say BUT HEY amigo , all men have sinned
there is none who is righteousness . VERY TRUE .
BUT GOD . Tell me , DO HE HAVE A SINGLE BLEMISH within . NO SIR and no mams .
SO WHO is this great high preist who was without SPOT on the inside , Not a blemish one
That had to take on human flesh , FOR THE SAKE OF man . To live fully righteous before GOD
to fullfill what no man could , no created being could .
WELL , THE WORD of GOD which is GOD had to do for humanity what no man , not not even angel in flesh could do .
How lovely is that simple tr uth . NOW tell me WHO DOES this g ive all THE GLORY TO . well it darn sure aint
man , it aint the created . ITS THE CREATOR . WHEN A MAN DENIES THE DIETY of THE WORD OF GOD
HE HAS DENIED GOD . now i aint condemning folks who dont understand it
BUT WHAT I am doing is telling them beleive what is already written.
AND I KNOW what i read . IT CLEARLY SAYS , without a doubt
THAT THE WORD was GOD . NOW IT SAYS THAT . and folks need to stop twisting this . Even if one does not
understand it . JUST DO NOT TWIST IT . FOR TO DO SO is to call GOD A LIAR , HIS WORD a liar . not g ood at all to do that .

 

[amigo de christo]

Great post Amigo!
100% correct....
a mere man cannot save mankind...
only God could fix the grave injustice committed by Adam.
He preferred satan over God--- his very creator.
So man was destined for death...
sin is death.

As you've stated... only God can save His creation...
and God did !

Why my friend you just stated something real lovely .
A mere man cannot save mankind .
AS JESUS MADE VERY CLEAR .
A mere man cannot EVEN SAVE HIMSELF .
LORD who then can be saved .
WITH MAN this is impossible
but not with WHO . WHO . NOT WITH GOD .
Let that sink in a bit . WHAT was JESUS saying and if he were a mere man
HOW could he then have saved man . Cause with man THAT JUST AINT POSSIBLE
but WITH GOD IT SURE IS .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Why my friend you just stated something real lovely .
A mere man cannot save mankind .
AS JESUS MADE VERY CLEAR .
A mere man cannot EVEN SAVE HIMSELF .
LORD who then can be saved .
WITH MAN this is impossible
but not with WHO . WHO . NOT WITH GOD .
Let that sink in a bit . WHAT was JESUS saying and if he were a mere man
HOW could he then have saved man . Cause with man THAT JUST AINT POSSIBLE
but WITH GOD IT SURE IS .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

It is written in the prophets
I AM THE FIRST and THE LAST .
it is written and recorded in one of the books of Moses
TELL THEM I AM has sent thee .
And it is written and recorded in the gospels
that before ABRAHAM was I AM .
It was revealed to JOHN in heaven in what was recorded in the book of revealation
I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST . And JESUS had said that to JOHN
while john was kneeled before him on His face
Fear NOT , I AM the FIRST and the LAST .
AND thus no wonder it was written in the gospel of john .
THAT IN THE BEGINNING was the WORD
and that the WORD was GOD
that HE created all things . Do you e ver get the feeling
THIS GENERATION IS B EING LIED TOO . cause I DARN SURE DO .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

Let the gems of the holy scriptures be rained down upon this site . Onwards in the LORD .

 

[Marvelloustime]

And i turned to see the voice that had spoken too me .
And i saw one like unto the SON of man .
Would you like to know what THIS ONE said to JOHN .
Fear not
I AM THE FIRST and THE LAST .
DOES THAT LANGUAGE , DO THEM WORDS , SOUND FAMILIAR TO YOU .
cause I DARN SURE seen what GOD himself said in the scriptures , even in the old testament .
I AM THE FIRST AND THE LAST .
NEVER had MOSES , Abraham , OR ANY PROPHET , said such words about them selves or about man .
THOSE WORDS , that TITLE belonged to GOD .
YET JESUS SAYS THOSE WORDS TO JOHN in h eaven . AINT that something .

@amigo de christo

 

[quietthinker]

We come to Jesus with muddled ideas.
THIS is your statement.

So, is Christianity supposed to accept these muddled ideas?

Is Christianity a religion...a faith system?

Does a person join this religion...
or can it be changed to mean WHATEVER ANY person wants it to mean to suit THEIR understanding of it?

OR
Is it an already established religion with specific beliefs to which the person must adhere?

Can I be a Christian and not believe in the resurrection?
Can I be a Christian and not believe Jesus died to save me from my sins?
Can I be a Christian and believe in the Quran instead of the bible?

Does one need to carry a label to believe in Jesus?

 

[Marvelloustime]

Let the gems of the holy scriptures be rained down upon this site . Onwards in the LORD .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

Does one need to carry a label to believe in Jesus?

a label . no . BUT i darn sure would say CARRY and read the BIBLE .
cause a whole mess of f olks in christendom have no idea the jesus they been loving on , beleiving on
OH IT AINT JESUS at all . Remember when i said the devil can quoate any scripture .
OH HE can and he sure can say GOD IS LOVE and Even use the name of JESUS , but reader beware
his jesus and his love COMETH NOT OF GOD at all . but of the darkness of this world .

 

[Marvelloustime]

a label . no . BUT i darn sure would say CARRY and read the BIBLE .
cause a whole mess of f olks in christendom have no idea the jesus they been loving on , beleiving on
OH IT AINT JESUS at all . Remember when i said the devil can quoate any scripture .
OH HE can and he sure can say GOD IS LOVE and Even use the name of JESUS , but reader beware
his jesus and his love COMETH NOT OF GOD at all . but of the darkness of this world .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

The unbeleiving jews knew things about torah , about moses , JUST NOT torah , or moses .
THEY knew . T hey had heard the very words
That GOD had said to MOSES and was later written down and recorded to be kept and learned .
AND WHAT DID GOD answer MOSES with , when MOSES said
BUT WHOM shall i say SENT ME .
TELL that I AM has SENT THEE .
BEFORE abraham was I AM . I have MANIFEST , to be seen , YOUR NAME . JESUS SAID THAT .
I HAVE MADE KNOWN , MADE SEEN your NAME .
That is why caiphas tore his robe
that is why they went about to stone JESUS when HE said before abraham was I AM .

@amigo de christo

 

[MonoBiblical]

Proof?

[2Ki 17:33-34 KJV] 33 They feared the LORD, and served their own gods, after the manner of the nations whom they carried away from thence. 34 Unto this day they do after the former manners: they fear not the LORD, neither do they after their statutes, or after their ordinances, or after the law and commandment which the LORD commanded the children of Jacob, whom he named Israel.

First, they fear God then they don't; but the NT contradicts this implying they always did. This proves they were idolaters, at least.

 

[MonoBiblical]

If Jesus is not God...
Christianity fails.
Christianity falls.

Whatever! Spreading Israelite religion and law around is a failure then, eh?

 

[Aunty Jane]

Why on earth cant they just say THE GODHEAD , like paul and other said .

That would probably be because there is no such word as the “godhead”. That word was invented by the translators of the KJV, (to support the trinity) and all who base their translations on the KJV also followed suit.

This word “theotēs” is found only once in the NT.....by the apostle Paul, who also said on behalf of all the apostles.....
“For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.” (1 Cor 8:5-6 NASB)

They unitedly acknowledged that they had “one God, the Father”.......AND “one Lord Jesus Christ”.
Notice too that he said...all things come “FROM” God...and all things come “BY” Jesus, “THROUGH” whom we exist. We just need to read “what” the Bible says without reading “into” it, what it doesn’t say.

And it’s interesting that other translations do not use the word “godhead” at all.

ESV...Col 2:8-10...
“See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ. For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, and you have been filled in him, who is the head of all rule and authority.”

HCSB.....“Be careful that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition, based on the elemental forces of the world, and not based on Christ. For the entire fullness of God’s nature dwells bodily in Christ, and you have been filled by Him, who is the head over every ruler and authority.”

NASB....”See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority”.

CJB.....“Watch out, so that no one will take you captive by means of philosophy and empty deceit, following human tradition which accords with the elemental spirits of the world but does not accord with the Messiah. For in him, bodily, lives the fullness of all that God is. And it is in union with him that you have been made full — he is the head of every rule and authority.”

And the last part of that statement tells us that Jesus is “the head over every rule and authority”...
So, who gave Jesus his authority?
He tells us himself in Matt 28:18....
“And Jesus came up and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth.”

If Jesus was God, why did he need any authority to be given” to him? Who only could give him that authority?

And because Paul was appointed as “an apostle to the nations”, there was a warning.....
“that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit based on human tradition, based on the elemental forces of the world, and not based on Christ”.

Both Jews and gentiles had been misled into believing what was not true......the Jews were misled by their religious leaders whom Jesus condemned, (Matt 23) and the gentiles had previously worshipped many gods and had been exposed to empty human philosophy. Man made tradition governed both.

But none of those “human traditions” were from God. (Matt 15:7-9) Those human traditions still enslave people to this day....one of them is demonstrated in every commercial outlet as we speak....but this celebration held in honour in Christendom, is nothing more that a pagan festival rebranded to suggest that Christ was born on December 25th.
He was not born in December because the shepherds were still outdoors with their flocks. It’s winter time in the Northern Hemisphere as the celebration adopted pagan winter traditions. Look up its connection to Mithra and the Saturnalia.

You guys seem to have no idea how deep the deception goes, and how the devil has you all offending God by adopting pagan festivals and calling them “Christian”. (2 Cor 6:14-18)
What else has he disguised to appeal to the masses? Why do people blindly follow these traditions that have never had anything to do with Christ? Why is every celebration in the churches connected to paganism?

This is what Bible study reveals.....if you stick only to one flawed translation, you are stuck with what it says or implies (in so many cases) even if it’s errors are not obvious. You are promoting the error, not promoting truth at all.

The Bible was not written in archaic English, so we have to rely on translators who know what they are doing and get a wide variety of opinions from these scholars so that we can compare with other Scripture to ascertain exactly what was said to the intended audience.

Not just Bible reading Amigo......Bible study. We are to dig for the treasure....

 

[TrevorHL]

Greetings again GodsGrace,

The title CHRSITIAN implies orthodox Christian.
......
Christianity has not changed its rules, its traditions, its orthodoxy.
It's the same today as it was 2 thousand years ago.

The Trinity was developed in the first 3 or 4 Centuries and is a corruption of true Christianity.

Matthew 26:63 But Jesus kept silent. And the high priest said to Him, "I adjure You by the living God, that You tell us whether You are the Christ, the Son of God."

Jesus was condemned because he claimed to be the Son of God, not God the Son.

Kind regards
Trevor

 

[Wrangler]

BOTH GOD FATHER AND GOD SON RAISED JESUS FROM THE DEAD.

Not once in Scripture is “God the Son.” Every epistle states “God the Father.” Every epistle. What does that tell you?

Also, do you realize Jesus has a God? What does that tell you?