The Religion That Hates the Truth It Pretends to Preach

[bdavidc]

When I, as the dad communicate with my children I do so independently these days as they are adults, some living their individual life with their own families. Do I speak to them all the same? No as they are at levels of understanding and maturity. Do I use the same means of communication? No. As they live in dirrerent places. I may use the phone for 1, email for another, facetime for another and face to face another etc.
Is the content and instructions the same? No, because some have children and some don't.

Our heavenly Father treats us individually and instructs us individually. Just as Jesus gives out talents individually according to our ability. I never want to limit my Father and the way He chooses to communicate with His children.

Your analogy breaks down the moment you try to apply it to God. You’re describing human parenting, not divine revelation. God does not give different truths to different people. He does not contradict Himself. He does not deliver “customized doctrines” or private revelations based on someone’s stage of life. Scripture says, “There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism” ~Ephesians 4:5. Not one faith per person.

Yes, God deals with His children individually in circumstances. But He never speaks new truth or new instructions that contradict or go beyond His Word. The Spirit applies the Scriptures. He does not replace the Scriptures or speak alongside them with fresh messages. Jesus giving different talents has nothing to do with revelation. It has to do with responsibility and stewardship, not receiving private words from heaven.

Your version of “individual communication” is nothing more than following your own thoughts and calling them God. That is why everything you claim contradicts the Word. A voice that contradicts Scripture is not the Father’s voice. It is a false one, and Scripture warns plainly that many are destroyed because they trust that voice instead of God’s Word.

Stop using human analogies to justify spiritual error. God already revealed His truth. Anything you claim beyond that is not from Him.

 

[bdavidc]

Oh but the greatest thing, the bible cannot provide. An intimate relationship with the Creator Himself. It tells us about Him and how to get into a relationship with Him. But the bible isn't a living being. I'll stick with my personal relationship with the Person of God, and value HIS words.

You’re creating a false choice that Scripture does not make. An intimate relationship with God does not come from chasing inner voices. It comes through the Word He breathed out. Jesus said, “If a man love Me, he will keep My words” ~John 14:23. Not his feelings. Not his impressions. His words.

You say the Bible can’t give you a relationship with God. That is the opposite of what Scripture says. “Faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the Word of God” ~Romans 10:17. The Bible is exactly how God brings people into relationship with Himself.

And yes, the Bible is not a “living being,” but the Author is. The Word of God is “living and powerful” ~Hebrews 4:12. The Spirit uses Scripture to reveal Christ, convict, guide, comfort, and teach. That is the relationship. That is how He speaks. That is how He leads.

What you call “HIS words” are actually your own thoughts, and you elevate them above Scripture. That is why everything you claim contradicts the Bible. The Holy Spirit will never speak against the Word He inspired.

An “intimate relationship” that bypasses Scripture is not intimacy with God. It is intimacy with your imagination. And trusting your imagination over God’s Word is how people are deceived and destroyed.

If the voice you follow does not match Scripture, then it is not God.

 

[bdavidc]

Testing the spirits is literally testing false prophet. People faked being a prophet in the Apostle Paul's day. So, a real prophet says one thing and false prophet says another. So you must test the spirit and see which is of God. Paul was not talking about another indwelled spirit, like demons, why would you test them?

Testing the spirits is not limited to sorting out which human prophet is true. Scripture says “Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits whether they are of God” ~1 John 4:1. John does not say “test the prophets.” He says test the spirits. Why? Because false teaching does not just come through people pretending to be prophets. It comes from spiritual sources that oppose the truth.

Paul warned about “seducing spirits and doctrines of demons” ~1 Timothy 4:1. Those are spirits influencing people through lies. That is exactly why John tells believers to test every spirit, because not every spiritual influence is from God.

A demon isn’t indwelling a believer, but demons absolutely influence people, twist Scripture, imitate spiritual experiences, and push false revelation. That is why Paul said Satan disguises himself as an angel of light ~2 Corinthians 11:14. You test that.

So yes, Scripture commands us to test the spirits, not just compare prophets. Anything presenting itself as spiritual truth must be measured by the Word. If it doesn’t line up with Scripture, it is not from God.

 

[LoveYeshua]

Only for those who restrict themselves to the scriptures. For the rest of us we are free to explore God and His God's word beyond the scriptures. I certainly don't despise God's words. I love Him and I love everything He gives, especially His love, be it expressed in word or action. My first focus is my relationship with God Himself. Him communicating directly to me and me communicating with Him. Then we can share what we have learned from God about God and gain a greater, fuller understanding of this Person we see through a glass, dimly. We see in part, so we speak in part. Let's keep putting these small parts together not keep them to ourself or ignore them.

so.... what have you learned that we do not know? please share with us what you have learned from God that you received directly and that can enlighten us

 

[Heart2Soul]

Yes. And then we hear God communicate to us directly hey. I'm not sure if people are scared to confess that they hear the Holy Spirit speak to them truths that aren't in the bible.

I can understand that a bit as some people can be very aggressive and shout others down on this forum.

If you are trying to suggest that the Holy Spirit is giving us new teaching which cannot be found in Scripture then you would be considered a false teacher or a false prophet.
I remember Carlton Pearson, pastor of Higher Dimensions in Tulsa. I used to enjoy his teachings until one day he claimed to have had an epiphany and that God told him hell did not exist and no one was going to hell. In a very short period of time he lost his congregation of 5,000 members and was removed from the church. He started another church much like a Universalism church. He was denounced by church leaders all over the world.
His mistake was to claim to hear God tell him that hell did not exist and we would never go to hell. That teaching goes beyond what is written and it is an outright false teaching. He didn't hear from God, he heard a deceiving spirit and didn't test it. Big mistake.

 

[David in NJ]

My neighbours plants he gives me are alive. These vegetables give me life when I eat them. But do I have a relationship with the plants or the person who grew them and gave them to me.

I love the Gardener because He first decided to love me. I appreciate the life producing words He downloads into me and the fruit that grows as a result. But I have a living dynamic personal intimate relationship with the Gardener and the Vine not the water fertiliser sap or fruit They give or produce.

We love and worship the Creator not what He spoke into existence.

What is the meaning/idea of your member name = 'One 2 Question' ???

 

[One 2 question]

Concerning the Holy Scriptures, the Holy Spirit would never direct you away from His Word.

I agree

The Holy Spirit is the Spirit of Truth, HE operates in our spirit to bring us to the TRUTH found in the Scriptures.

Absolutely

Unless one knows the Truth in the Scriptures, he/she will easily be set-up by a counterfeit spirit that the bible calls the spirit of error.

Don't necessarily agree. It isn't easy for those who follow Jesus to be deceived by our enemy. We run from them.

Jhn 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

Jhn 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

God wants you to know His Word, for this is how we please Him = by obeying His Word.

Absolutely. His word is like every grain of sand on the planet. What is contained in a bucket is grains of sand. But ALL. Of course not. Therefore not every word that proceeds from the mouth of God is contained in the scriptures or the bibles.

The foundation of the spirit of error is that there is more to God then His Word and we must find it on our own.
And this is the 'god' you have been led into as satan says: "you shall be as God", "His Word is not the "end all-be all""

Of course you're not saying that YOU are the sum of a few of your words that people have recorded. Are you?

 

[David in NJ]

I agree

Absolutely

Don't necessarily agree. It isn't easy for those who follow Jesus to be deceived by our enemy. We run from them.

Jhn 10:4 And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.

Jhn 10:5 And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.

Absolutely. His word is like every grain of sand on the planet. What is contained in a bucket is grains of sand. But ALL. Of course not. Therefore not every word that proceeds from the mouth of God is contained in the scriptures or the bibles.

Of course you're not saying that YOU are the sum of a few of your words that people have recorded. Are you?

Of course you're not saying that YOU are the sum of a few of your words that people have recorded. Are you?

Where did you derive this from???

 

[One 2 question]

No, I don’t need to have heard every word Jesus spoke while on this earth, but that does not give you room to say He is teaching you new things. The Bible tells us how we know what Christ taught. He said the Spirit would remind His disciples of what He had said, not bring new teachings. The written Word is the standard by which we test private impressions, not the other way around. “Thy word is truth” ~John 17:17. Whatever claims divine authority outside of Scripture is deception.

So you say. I don't believe for a moment that God has shut His mouth and stopped speaking words from His mouth. I don't believe Jesus has stopped taking from what is His Father's, including His words of truth because He is mute. Neither do I believe the Spirit of Truth has become an obsolete Comforter, and commanded not to lead those in whom He lives INTO ALL TRUTH.

 

[David in NJ]

Of course you're not saying that YOU are the sum of a few of your words that people have recorded. Are you?

This is PERFECT - this is EXACTLY what the LORD wants you to SEE

LISTEN to TRUTH - John 21:24-25
This is the disciple who testifies to these things and who has written them down. And we know that his testimony is true.
There are many more things that Jesus did. If all of them were written down, I suppose that not even the world itself would have space for the books that would be written.

 

[One 2 question]

Where did you derive this from???

God is not the sum of the few words written about Him.

This is not the Spirit of God. You speak as if your interior thoughts and feelings are some kind of passage to greater intimacy with God. But Scripture never describes the Spirit that way. The Spirit brings people into truth, not into emotional experiences that cannot be tested by the Word. When your experiences are greater than Scripture, you are not walking with God.

Where do you get this stuff from? Certainly not the scriptures. Your ideas are your own interpretations and expressions of YOUR interior thoughts.

Haven't you ever gone boldly into the presence of God? Haven't you heard God speak words of love to you?

I hear you express your love for the scriptures and the bibles. But no expression of endearment as one does for a another treasured person.

My expression of emotion towards God Himself, Christ and His body, for those not yet in Christ, for Satan are generated by the Spirit within me. As it was recorded when Jesus wept for His cousin, His Own people, got angry with those who disrespected His Father. Emotions are a great God designed and created part of us humans. As is the mind. I'm not going to hold back worshipping Him with every part of my being. You should give it a go. God will appreciate it.

 

[One 2 question]

You continue to describe this cozy, interior experience with “the Spirit Himself,” but Scripture is clear that not every spiritual feeling comes from the Lord. The Bible plainly says that there are spirits that are deceiving spirits ~1 Timothy 4:1. They lead people into feelings that seem spiritual but are not from God at all. The Word is the only standard that reveals the source, and your experiences do not line up with the Spirit described in Scripture.

I'm not interested in any other Spirit but the One Who convicted me of sin, righteousness and the judgment to come. You know, the Spirit of Christ. Who through this Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God.

I'm too busy focusing on the One and Only Father, Jesus and Holy Spirit and enjoying the relationship I have with Them.

 

[One 2 question]

You may want to read The Screwtape Letters by C. S. Lewis. I am not holding it up as Scripture, but because the patterns in that book lines up perfectly with what you are doing right now. Demons deceive people by turning them inward to their feelings instead of the Word God already gave. They entice people to pursue “inner experiences” that seem profound but have no basis in truth. They keep people focused on their own mind and spiritual moods instead of on the actual God revealed in Scripture. And they love when someone prays to an imagined God they concocted in their own head instead of the real Lord who speaks through His Word.

Yes, I've read them. I've been made very much aware of false, counterfeit spirits communicating their doctrines and working within humans to indoctrinate and practice falsehood.

The Holy Spirit Who came into me and performs His work of sanctification and transformation and now bears His fruit of righteousness enables me to discern what is NOT of Him.

 

[One 2 question]

That is exactly the path you are on. You are following a feeling. You are trusting impressions. You are labeling those impressions “the Spirit.” But Scripture says, “The heart is deceitful above all things” ~Jeremiah 17:9. When you elevate the voice inside your own heart to be God’s voice, you are not walking in truth, but you are opening the door to deception. The Spirit of God never leads a person to trust their feelings. He leads them to trust the Word He inspired.

Sorry to say it but, what you are saying is absolute rubbish. Obviously you have not experienced the inner workings of the Spirit, where the 2 spirits communicate deeply, intimately, privately, personally.

You share what you know and experience. I'll share what I am. Don't judge or try to correct what you've never experienced as if you know. Stick in your lane my friend.

 

[One 2 question]

The voice you are following right now is not the Shepherd’s voice. Jesus said His sheep know His voice, and they run from the voice of strangers. What you are describing here has every characteristic of a stranger’s voice.

I would not reply to this type of comment, but as it was recorded that Jesus once said, For judgment I am come into this world, that they which see not might see; and that they which see might be made blind.

And some of the Pharisees which were with him heard these words, and said unto him, Are we blind also? Jesus said unto them, If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.



How can you claim to see and know me. You think you see all the truth about me and can discern what Spirit is in me. You judge according to words that aren't yours but Moses, Paul's, Jesus's and those who were carried along by the very Spirit Who LIVES in me because of the will of God Who choose, called justified, sanctified and will glorify me and His bride when the Bridegroom returns.

It does not point you back to Scripture. It does not submit to Scripture. It does not line up with Scripture. And anything that does not line up with the Word of God cannot come from God.

I encourage those who are blind and their guides who say they see, the lost and those they follow who claim they have been found to return to their Shepherd, Jesus the Christ and embrace His Divine Spirit Who He has sent to be our intimate Companion.

I had made the scriptures my go to, my first port of call and not the Spirit of Christ. I had established a stronger relationship with the bible than I had with God Himself . I took it with me everywhere. I studied more than anything. It was my practice to read nothing else but the bible for a long time. I became obsessed with this book. Until God opened my eyes to show me that I had put it between Him and me. It had become an idol to me.

I repented of this practice and since then go directly to God Himself without consulting this medium. If He chooses to refer to His historical words than great. I'm all ears. But this is only on lesser occasions over they years.

I love God and I love hearing what He communicates to me, even His expressed thoughts in the scriptures.

 

[One 2 question]

You need to stop trusting these experiences before they lead you further and further away from the truth. Return to the Word. Test everything against Scripture. And renounce anything that does not match what God has already spoken. The Spirit of God will never contradict the Word of God.

I had made the scriptures my go to, my first port of call and not the Spirit of Christ. I had established a stronger relationship with the bible than I had with God Himself . I took it with me everywhere. I studied more than anything. It was my practice to read nothing else but the bible for a long time. I became obsessed with this book. Until God opened my eyes to show me that I had put it between Him and me. It had become an idol to me.

I repented of this practice and since then go directly to God Himself without consulting this medium. If He chooses to refer to His historical words than great. I'm all ears. But this is only on lesser occasions over they years.

I love God and I love hearing what He communicates to me, even His expressed thoughts in the scriptures.

 

[One 2 question]

If the voice you follow does not match Scripture, then it is not God.

A man builds a house for himself. It has one bedroom, one bathroom, one kitchen, one laundry. But when he has a large family he ADDS to the initial structure. Then his children grow up and have their own families. So he ADDS on more all according to their requirements.

God ADDS on to what He said to Moses, commandment - 'Do not kill'. He told Joshua to do the opposite. Go kill every man, woman and child. Actually God started the killing when He made the walls collapse on the people living in them.

The possible argument between Caleb and Joshua.
Joshua- God said to kill the people of Jericho
Caleb - No. The voice you think was God can't be Him AS IT IS WRITTEN, by the very finger of God, Do not Kill.

He had a former covenant then He ADDED another, a NEW covenant. He introduced the first Adam then a NEW second Adam, Christ.

 

[One 2 question]

so.... what have you learned that we do not know? please share with us what you have learned from God that you received directly and that can enlighten us

The reconciliation of the prodigal angel, Satan.

 

[shepherdsword]

If you are trying to suggest that the Holy Spirit is giving us new teaching which cannot be found in Scripture then you would be considered a false teacher or a false prophet.
I remember Carlton Pearson, pastor of Higher Dimensions in Tulsa. I used to enjoy his teachings until one day he claimed to have had an epiphany and that God told him hell did not exist and no one was going to hell. In a very short period of time he lost his congregation of 5,000 members and was removed from the church. He started another church much like a Universalism church. He was denounced by church leaders all over the world.
His mistake was to claim to hear God tell him that hell did not exist and we would never go to hell. That teaching goes beyond what is written and it is an outright false teaching. He didn't hear from God, he heard a deceiving spirit and didn't test it. Big mistake.

I had a similar experience with Rick Joyner's "Final Quest". He claimed to receive a vision that had the Apostle Paul telling him that he (Joyner) would surpass even him in revelation. It was somehow based on Daniel 12 "and knowledge shall increase"

I think we need to take heed to this as a warning:

1 Ti 4:1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

 

[LoveYeshua]

The reconciliation of the prodigal angel, Satan.

Never gonna happen now confirms you are a fraud.