How did the Trinity doctrine develop in the early church?

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We need to defend Trinity every day against several Jehovah Witnesses who claim that Jesus is "a god", against various other "without label" Arians claiming Jesus is only human, against somebody who even claims there are three Gods...

And all identify as "Christian". What a mess. Poor readers who may come across these forums, they can be completely confused.
 
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I would say, there was no Trinity before the Incarnation. When the Word (Logos) became flesh.
At the point of Jesus' conception, there was God the Father and God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
So what do John 1:1 mean and John 1:14?

Jesus was born w thousand years ago.

But He existed in a different FORM before that.

As THE WORD.

In the beginning was THE WORD
and the WORD was WITH GOD
and the WORD was GOD. John 1:1

The WORD became flesh and dwelt among us. John 1:14

What is difficult to understand about that??

Why do we not believe John?
Was HE with Jesus during His ministry...or were we?
 

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New topic:

You're starting a new topic instead of replying to my post no. 1722?

And this is a neat trick to get your thread to be longer.
Are you in competition with @LoveYeshua ??
LOL
 
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New topic:

A lot of the OT is inspired.
The NT is history.
No inspiration required.
 

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We need to defend Trinity every day against several Jehovah Witnesses who claim that Jesus is "a god", against various other "without label" Arians claiming Jesus is only human, against somebody who even claims there are three Gods...

And all identify as "Christian". What a mess. Poor readers who may come across these forums, they can be completely confused.
A big AMEN to that!
 
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If we want to be in touch with the Theology that was practiced in the first century wouldn't we get our information from Jesus and the apostles who lived in the first century?
 

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If we want to be in touch with the Theology that was practiced in the first century wouldn't we get our information from Jesus and the apostles who lived in the first century?
Did the development of theology end with the death of the last Apostle?
 
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Did the development of theology end with the death of the last Apostle?
I found this interesting website today, you can put in your own words at the top and it will give you relevant scriptures below.



This is part of what the first scripture says: But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
 
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Did the development of theology end with the death of the last Apostle?
I am first and foremost concerned about Theology the first apostles wrote down in the New Testament, not the development of any other theology. I have only kind words for you and all your research, I have respect for your words because you respect the Bible.
 

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I am first and foremost concerned about the Theology the first apostles wrote down in the New Testament, not the development of any other theology.
What theology did the first apostles wrote down in the New Testament?

I think there is confusion about what theology is and where it came from.
Like doctrine, theology is man-made. IMHO

Both should be biblically based, of course. But it was man-made.
An attempt to codify what the Bible says in terms we can hang onto.
 

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This is part of what the first scripture says: But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed.
Just because something is extra-biblical doesn't make it contrary to the gospel.
Christian books are being written all the time. All the way back to Bible times.
 

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What theology did the first apostles wrote down in the New Testament?

I think there is confusion about what theology is and where it came from.
Like doctrine, theology is man-made. IMHO

Both should be biblically based, of course. But it was man-made.
An attempt to codify what the Bible says in terms we can hang onto.
I like to get most all my information from God's word alone.

 
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Just because something is extra-biblical doesn't make it contrary to the gospel.
Christian books are being written all the time. All the way back to Bible times.
Yes that is true, but what if the Christian books do not direct you to the source of information the actual words from Jesus and the actual words from the apostles?

For me I like to explain my beliefs with the exact words from Jesus and the apostles words in agreement.
 
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Let's discuss "Trinitarianism as the outgrowth of the early Church’s effort to understand and explain its own experience of the risen Christ in philosophical terms." - @RedFan

Open discussion on the development of the Trinitarian doctrine.

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Are you attacking the Trinity doctrine that is clearly Biblical? No answer expected!
 

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We need to defend Trinity every day against several Jehovah Witnesses who claim that Jesus is "a god", against various other "without label" Arians claiming Jesus is only human, against somebody who even claims there are three Gods...
Understanding that the trinity is not a Bible teaching that Jesus ever mentioned, is the first cause for questioning this belief. If Jesus did not teach it, then neither did the apostles. If it was a stated Bible truth, we would not be here debating its authenticity.

If you understand the Greek rendering of John 1:1, as opposed to Christendom’s interpretation of it, you will believe the English translation (a work of men), whilst ignoring what was originally stated by the apostle John, who was especially close to Jesus..... If anyone knew who Jesus was, it was John.

All the apostles collectively acknowledged who their God was......
for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and through whom we exist.” (1 Cor 8:6 NCB)

That is a clear and unambiguous statement....all of the apostles were Jewish, as was Jesus, who all knew what Deut 6:4 proclaimed....it was their Shema.

“Hear, O Israel, the Lord, our God, is Lord alone.” (NCB)

In Hebrew it is worded differently.....

4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God; the Lord is one.דשְׁמַ֖ע יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ יְהֹוָ֥ה | אֶחָֽד:

You can see in the Hebrew text that “the Lord” is mentioned there twice.....and “the Lord” is “יְהֹוָ֥ה” YAHWEH. But the Jews refused to say it, even though it was still there in their Scripture. Even in the English translation God’s name is missing. Do you see what human traditions can do to God’s word? Who authorised the Jews to stop speaking God’s name? It wasn’t God!

Exodus 3:15...
15 “And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.”טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:

God’s name is there in Hebrew, but not in English, rendering that translation invalid because they disobeyed their God and refused to speak his name....something God wanted to be “mentioned in every generation”.

Nowhere in any verse of Scripture is Jesus called “Yahweh”....and if the divine name was still in use when the Greek Scriptures were written, then there would be no trinity since “Lord” is a title, not a name. This title was common in Bible times, but came to be exclusively used as a substitute for YAHWEH. (“God” with a capital “G”)

The use of the definite article in Greek is so often ignored by translators who want to promote a doctrine that simply does not exist in Scripture.
These are the facts that the Bible teaches, but is missing from church theology.

And all identify as "Christian". What a mess. Poor readers who may come across these forums, they can be completely confused.
Sorry, but one has only to look at the confusion and divided “mess” that is Christendom’s church system, to understand the dilemma of the “poor readers”.

The truth shines like a beacon outside of that “mess”.....and many are “streaming” to it, as Isaiah foretold for “the final part of the days”. (Isa 2:2-4) These ones are identified by the fact that they will “not learn war anymore”....unlike Christendom who are up to their necks in it....actively supporting the bloodshed of their nations.....true Christians are “no part of this world” as Jesus said they would be....and hated because of it....(John 17:16; John 18:36; John 15:18-21)

The Scriptural facts show us a very different picture to what is presented as “Christianity” today.
 
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Understanding that the trinity is not a Bible teaching that Jesus ever mentioned, is the first cause for questioning this belief. If Jesus did not teach it, then neither did the apostles. If it was a stated Bible truth, we would not be here debating its authenticity.

If you understand the Greek rendering of John 1:1, as opposed to Christendom’s interpretation of it, you will believe the English translation (a work of men), whilst ignoring what was originally stated by the apostle John, who was especially close to Jesus..... If anyone knew who Jesus was, it was John.

All the apostles collectively acknowledged who their God was......
for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things are and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things are and through whom we exist.” (1 Cor 8:6 NCB)

That is a clear and unambiguous statement....all of the apostles were Jewish, as was Jesus, who all knew what Deut 6:4 proclaimed....it was their Shema.

“Hear, O Israel, the Lord, our God, is Lord alone.” (NCB)

In Hebrew it is worded differently.....

4 Hear, O Israel: The Lord is our God; the Lord is one.דשְׁמַ֖ע יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל יְהֹוָ֥ה אֱלֹהֵ֖ינוּ יְהֹוָ֥ה | אֶחָֽד:

You can see in the Hebrew text that “the Lord” is mentioned there twice.....and “the Lord” is “יְהֹוָ֥ה” YAHWEH. But the Jews refused to say it, even though it was still there in their Scripture. Even in the English translation God’s name is missing. Do you see what human traditions can do to God’s word? Who authorised the Jews to stop speaking God’s name? It wasn’t God!

Exodus 3:15...
15 “And God said further to Moses, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'The Lord God of your forefathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, has sent me to you.' This is My name forever, and this is how I should be mentioned in every generation.”טווַיֹּ֩אמֶר֩ ע֨וֹד אֱלֹהִ֜ים אֶל־משֶׁ֗ה כֹּ֣ה תֹאמַר֘ אֶל־בְּנֵ֣י יִשְׂרָאֵל֒ יְהֹוָ֞ה אֱלֹהֵ֣י אֲבֹֽתֵיכֶ֗ם אֱלֹהֵ֨י אַבְרָהָ֜ם אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִצְחָ֛ק וֵֽאלֹהֵ֥י יַֽעֲקֹ֖ב שְׁלָחַ֣נִי אֲלֵיכֶ֑ם זֶה־שְּׁמִ֣י לְעֹלָ֔ם וְזֶ֥ה זִכְרִ֖י לְדֹ֥ר דֹּֽר:

God’s name is there in Hebrew, but not in English, rendering that translation invalid because they disobeyed their God and refused to speak his name....something God wanted to be “mentioned in every generation”.

Nowhere in any verse of Scripture is Jesus called “Yahweh”....and if the divine name was still in use when the Greek Scriptures were written, then there would be no trinity since “Lord” is a title, not a name. This title was common in Bible times, but came to be exclusively used as a substitute for YAHWEH. (“God” with a capital “G”)

The use of the definite article in Greek is so often ignored by translators who want to promote a doctrine that simply does not exist in Scripture.
These are the facts that the Bible teaches, but is missing from church theology.


Sorry, but one has only to look at the confusion and divided “mess” that is Christendom’s church system, to understand the dilemma of the “poor readers”.

The truth shines like a beacon outside of that “mess”.....and many are “streaming” to it, as Isaiah foretold for “the final part of the days”. (Isa 2:2-4) These ones are identified by the fact that they will “not learn war anymore”....unlike Christendom who are up to their necks in it....actively supporting the bloodshed of their nations.....true Christians are “no part of this world” as Jesus said they would be....and hated because of it....(John 17:16; John 18:36; John 15:18-21)

The Scriptural facts show us a very different picture to what is presented as “Christianity” today.
Thus says the WatchTower!
 

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Notice the word pre-eminent. Yet mia is ignored as a first event word.
In Koine Greek μία is the feminine form of the cardinal “one.” It agrees with feminine nouns in case, number, and gender, and can function adjectivally (“one coin”) or substantivally (“the one”). When paired with the article (ἡ) it often forms a sharp contrast with “the other” (ἡ ἑτέρα). In idiomatic constructions it may carry an ordinal sense (“first”) or mark qualitative exclusivity.

Semantic Range and Illustrative Passages

• Singular enumeration: “one small coin” (Luke 21:2), “one denarius” (Luke 20:24).
• Exclusive emphasis: “one daughter” (Mark 5:42).
• Temporal idiom: “the first day of the week” (literally “day one of the Sabbaths,” Matthew 28:1; Mark 16:2; Luke 24:1; John 20:1).
• Sacrificial uniqueness: “after He had offered for sins one sacrifice for all time” (Hebrews 10:12).
• Covenant unity: “the two will become one flesh” (Genesis 2:24 quoted in Matthew 19:5–6; Ephesians 5:31).

Redemptive-Historical Significance

Scripture’s strategic use of μία highlights the singular events and realities through which God accomplishes salvation: one resurrection day, one efficacious sacrifice, one new humanity. The numeral therefore serves as a linguistic witness to the exclusivity and sufficiency of Christ’s work.

Narrative and Pastoral Usage

Parables and narratives frequently focus on a solitary object or person—“one sheep,” “one coin,” “one pearl”—to reveal the Shepherd-like character of God (Luke 15:4-10; Matthew 13:45-46). Pastoral application follows naturally: every individual soul is precious, warranting deliberate pursuit and care.

Ecclesiological Emphasis

Meeting on “day one,” the early believers proclaimed the unity of the risen Lord’s community. Though other grammatical forms supply “one body” or “one hope” (Ephesians 4:4), μία still undergirds many feminine expressions of oneness, reminding churches to preserve doctrinal harmony and shared mission.

Eschatological Nuances

Revelation underscores the decisiveness of divine judgment with phrases such as “in one day” (Revelation 18:8). The same numeral that marks the dawning of new-creation life in the resurrection also marks the finality of God’s climactic acts.

Christological Focus

Hebrews builds its argument for the finality of the cross on μία: “He sacrificed for sins once for all when He offered Himself” (Hebrews 7:27; cf. 9:12; 10:10). Christ’s singular priestly act eliminates any notion of repeated atonement and grounds the believer’s assurance.

Historical Reception

Early church fathers quickly absorbed the biblical cadence of “one”: one church, one faith, one Eucharist. Their testimony shows how μία shaped ecclesial identity and doctrinal confession from the outset.

 

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We need to defend Trinity every day against several Jehovah Witnesses who claim that Jesus is "a god", against various other "without label" Arians claiming Jesus is only human, against somebody who even claims there are three Gods...

And all identify as "Christian". What a mess. Poor readers who may come across these forums, they can be completely confused.
CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA: Arianism
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Founded by Arius, belief asserting that Christ was not God like the Father, but a creature made in time. Rejected by the Council of Constantinople (381)
CHURCH FATHERS: History of the Arians (Athanasius)
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History of the Arians. Please help support the mission of New Advent and get the full contents of this website as an instant download.
CHURCH FATHERS: Discourse I Against the Arians (Athanasius)
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Those who call these men Christians are in great and grievous error, as neither having studied Scripture, nor understanding Christianity at all, and the faith ...
CHURCH FATHERS: History of the Arians, Part V (Athanasius)
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The eunuch accordingly went to Rome, and first proposed to Liberius to subscribe against Athanasius, and to hold communion with the Arians.
CHURCH FATHERS: Discourse III Against the Arians (Athanasius)
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The doctrine of the coinherence. The Father and the Son Each whole and perfect God. They are in Each Other, because their Essence is One and the Same.
CHURCH FATHERS: Discourse II Against the Arians (Athanasius)
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The hollow professors of Arius's madness, whether for their refutation or in the truth's behalf, to insure a cessation and repentance of their evil thoughts ...
CHURCH FATHERS: Four Discourses Against the Arians (Athanasius)
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CHURCH FATHERS: History of the Arians, Part VIII (Athanasius)
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Long ago, when a persecution arose in the time of Maximian, the grandfather of Constantius, the Gentiles concealed our brethren the Christians.
CHURCH FATHERS: Dialogue Against the Luciferians (Jerome)
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CHURCH FATHERS: Epistles on Arianism (Alexander of Alexandria)