When does Jesus judge? Is the second coming Judgement day?

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Throughout Scripture, there is the idea that God is just. He is a just judge. We n need to think about the judgement in the way we think about our own court systems. There are parallel concepts common to both the worldly system and the spiritual.
First, there the judge, who is the final arbiter as to who is guilty and who is innocent. In the spiritual world, Jesus.
Second, there's the accuser. In the spiritual realm, Satan. In the earthly realm, government.
There's the defense counsel. In the spiritual realm, Jesus.
What many today call the judgement, that occurring at the second coming, is in reality the execution of the judgement already made. It isn't the judgement itself, that has already taken place prior to Jesus leaving the heavenly sanctuary, for according to Revelation, as Jesus is leaving heaven He declares, "Behold I come quickly, and My reward is with me to give according to every man's work, whether good or bad." The judgement is made. He comes to execute the decision.
 
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When Christ comes again a second time, we are glorified, all those believing in Him, living or dead.


1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.

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There is a lot of false believing-teaching going around about the coming of Christ.
Many premills believing living saints, at the return of Christ, are not changed to have glorified bodies like He has.
They have this false idea, living saints will marry and repopulate the earth with babies. And generations will come and go for a 1000 years of fleshly human life in earthly bodies.

New Testament scriptures support none of that, and do not even suggest such a thing.
 

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You have posted this nonsense before, and I didn't AVOID responding to it.
I asked you why you didn't present the whole sentence of 2thess 1:9-10.


9 These people will pay the penalty and endure the punishment of everlasting destruction, banished from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power, 10 when He comes to be glorified in His saints on that day


That bolded piece of information destroys your argument that the eternal punishment occurs future to the Lords coming and our glorification.

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Exactly. Those things are all part of one event, but he tries to separate the judgment and removal of unbelievers from the presence of the Lord to 1,000+ years later. This future tense nonsense is ridiculous. It's all future tense. Yes, the judgment does happen after we are gathered to Christ and after the physical destruction occurs, but there's nothing at all to indicate that it occurs long after that.
 

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Throughout Scripture, there is the idea that God is just. He is a just judge. We n need to think about the judgement in the way we think about our own court systems. There are parallel concepts common to both the worldly system and the spiritual.
First, there the judge, who is the final arbiter as to who is guilty and who is innocent. In the spiritual world, Jesus.
Second, there's the accuser. In the spiritual realm, Satan. In the earthly realm, government.
There's the defense counsel. In the spiritual realm, Jesus.
What many today call the judgement, that occurring at the second coming, is in reality the execution of the judgement already made. It isn't the judgement itself, that has already taken place prior to Jesus leaving the heavenly sanctuary, for according to Revelation, as Jesus is leaving heaven He declares, "Behold I come quickly, and My reward is with me to give according to every man's work, whether good or bad." The judgement is made. He comes to execute the decision.
Of course. I think it would be silly for anyone to think that God won't start determining His judgements (eternal rewards and sentences) until Jesus returns. No, everything will already be determined when He comes and then everyone will have to stand before Him to give an account of themselves (Romans 14:10-12, Matthew 25:31-46), after which believers will inherit eternal life in the kingdom prepared for us from the foundation of the world (Matthew 25:34,46) and unbelievers will be cast into "everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels" (Matt 25:41).
 

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That's not what the writer said in Greek. He places some events at the second coming and some in the future. That is Premill.
LOL. The second coming is in the future. Hello? It does not say that the judgment is far in the future after the second coming. As Jeff has pointed out to you, and as you have ignored, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 places the gathering of the church to Christ, the physical destruction (vengeance) of living unbelievers and the everlasting punishment/judgment of unbelievers as part of the same event when Jesus returns. To insert a 1,000+ year gap between His second coming and the judgment of unbelievers completely contradicts what Paul indicated in that passage.

He does using present and future tense verbs, something Amill must avoid like the plague.
LOL. The second coming is future, so what are you talking about with present tense in relation to His second coming? Your arguments are utterly ridiculous. And, yes, the judgment follows the gathering of the church to Christ and the physical destruction of unbelievers, but there's no indication whatsoever that it would be far in the future from His second coming. Not at all.

Everyone knows that. Their ultimate punishment does not happen that same day.
Paul said it will be and Jesus talked about the judgment happening when He comes in Matthew 25:31-46 as well. You are denying the truth of clear scriptures.
 
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LOL. The second coming is in the future. Hello? It does not say that the judgment is far in the future after the second coming. As Jeff has pointed out to you, and as you have ignored, 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10 places the gathering of the church to Christ, the physical destruction (vengeance) of living unbelievers and the everlasting punishment/judgment of unbelievers as part of the same event when Jesus returns. To insert a 1,000+ year gap between His second coming and the judgment of unbelievers completely contradicts what Paul indicated in that passage.


LOL. The second coming is future, so what are you talking about with present tense in relation to His second coming? Your arguments are utterly ridiculous. And, yes, the judgment follows the gathering of the church to Christ and the physical destruction of unbelievers, but there's no indication whatsoever that it would be far in the future from His second coming. Not at all.


Paul said it will be and Jesus talked about the judgment happening when He comes in Matthew 25:31-46 as well. You are denying the truth of clear scriptures.
2 Timothy 4 clearly places the judgment at His appearing, how can they keep denying this? Pride of life? Anger at amil? Cultic indoctrination?
Inability to admit error?

I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.


Christian cults, and false teachers, and there are many, destroy a rational, sound mind.
 
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2 Timothy 4 clearly places the judgment at His appearing, how can they keep denying this?
As does Matthew 25:31-46. It really couldn't possibly be more clear. I believe they keep denying it because they just believe what they want to believe will happen instead of what scripture teaches. Their mindset is similar to the Pharisees in terms of their understanding of the nature of Christ's kingdom being earthly, so they can't accept that His kingdom does not come with observation (Luke 17:20) and is not of this world (John 18:36), as scripture teaches. So, they need the thousand years to be in the future in relation to an earthly kingdom in order to support what they want to happen.

Pride of life? Anger at amil? Cultic indoctrination?
All of the above maybe?

Inability to admit error?
Not inability, but just too stubborn and prideful to admit that they have no way of reconciling passages like 2nd Timothy 4, Matthew 25:31-46 and many others with their doctrine.

I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead [b]at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.


Christian cults, and false teachers, and there are many, destroy a rational, sound mind.
Yep. It's sad to see the denial of clear scriptures like that one and many more.
 
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One thing is for sure.... when the ultimate punishment does occur, then so will our glorification.

No, we are glorified first, long before the unsaved go to the LOF.


As you have been told already it is time to read chapter 2, where Paul repeats his second coming occurrences and he includes satans little season and his release to go forth in all power of deception and wickedness.

That has nothing to do with satans little season.
 

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There is a lot of false believing-teaching going around about the coming of Christ.
Many premills believing living saints, at the return of Christ, are not changed to have glorified bodies like He has.

Nope. Premills teach all the saints are made immortal at the second coming. You are using a strawman fallacy.



They have this false idea, living saints will marry and repopulate the earth with babies. And generations will come and go for a 1000 years of fleshly human life in earthly bodies.

No, some Premills (not me) believe that the UNSAVED will have babies etc.


New Testament scriptures support none of that, and do not even suggest such a thing.

Mote strawman fallacy since what you present is not Premill theology.
 

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Nope. Premills teach all the saints are made immortal at the second coming. You are using a strawman fallacy.





No, some Premills (not me) believe that the UNSAVED will have babies etc.




Mote strawman fallacy since what you present is not Premill theology.
You don't even know what the teachers of your millennial reign say about it, here it is
Maybe your being played. Either you are being deceived, or your are being deceitful.
Maybe you choose to be woefully ignorant of the doctrine. I can't help at all cause your mind it is closed, a locked room.


The millennial kingdom is the future reign of Jesus Christ on earth as He sits on David’s throne in Jerusalem. Everyone who enters that kingdom will be redeemed by God and therefore righteous (see Isaiah 35:8–10). Among those redeemed will be two distinct groups of people: those with glorified physical bodies and those with natural, earthly bodies.

Those who occupy the millennial kingdom with glorified bodies can be divided into three subgroups: the church, whose bodies were either resurrected or changed at the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13–18; 1 Corinthians 15:21–23, 51–53); tribulation martyrs, who are resurrected after Christ returns to earth (Revelation 20:4–6); and the Old Testament saints, who we assume are resurrected at the same time (see Daniel 12:2). Those who occupy the kingdom with earthly bodies have survived the tribulation and can be subdivided into two groups: believing Gentiles and believing Jews.

Revelation 19:11–16 describes the second coming of Jesus Christ. This is distinct from the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13–18; 1 Corinthians 15:51–53), which is an earlier appearing of Christ in the air. (There is no mention in Revelation 19—20 of any kind of rapture event. This implies that saints who are on earth when Christ returns will remain on earth to enter the millennial kingdom in their natural bodies.)

Part of Jesus’ setting up the kingdom will be His judgment of the sheep and the goats (Matthew 25:31–46). The “sheep” are the righteous Gentiles, who showed their faith by their good works toward God’s people; the “goats” are the unrighteous Gentiles, who failed to aid God’s children. Christ will cast the unrighteous into the lake of fire for eternal punishment (Matthew 25:46). Because of this judgment, and because all Israel will believe at that time (Zechariah 12:10; Romans 11:25–32), no unbeliever will enter the millennial kingdom (also see Matthew 13:24–30, 36–43).

So, those who occupy the millennial kingdom, at the start, will be the righteous of all previous dispensations: believing Gentiles in earthly bodies, redeemed Israel in earthly bodies, and resurrected/raptured believers in glorified bodies. Those who occupy the millennial kingdom will be from “many nations,” but the knowledge of the Lord Jesus will be universal: “The earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea” (Habakkuk 2:14). It will be standard practice for those who occupy the millennial kingdom to travel to Jerusalem and worship the Lord in person: “Many nations will come and say, ‘Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.’ The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem” (Micah 4:2).

Those who occupy the millennial kingdom will see the nation of Israel exalted to its fullest glory. All will be restored spiritually and physically: “‘In that day,’ declares the Lord, ‘I will gather the lame; I will assemble the exiles and those I have brought to grief. I will make the lame my remnant, those driven away a strong nation’” (Micah 4:6–7).

During the millennial kingdom, the saints in earthly, natural bodies will enjoy long lives (Isaiah 65:20), and they will produce children. By the end of the thousand years, the world is fully populated, and there are many—“in number they are like the sand on the seashore”—who rebel against the Lord (Revelation 20:7–8).

Children born during the millennial kingdom will have the responsibility to exercise faith in Christ, the same as all people of past ages. Some of those born during the millennial kingdom will choose to not believe. That is why Scripture speaks of those who die under a curse (Isaiah 65:20) and why the Lord lays out consequences for nations that do not worship Him: “If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain” (Zechariah 14:17).

For a further look at who will live in the millennial kingdom, see these passages: Isaiah 2:2–4; Zechariah 14:8–21; Ezekiel 34:17–24; Daniel 7:13–14; Micah 4:1–5.
 

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You don't even know what the teachers of your millennial reign say about it, here it is
Maybe your being played. Either you are being deceived, or your are being deceitful.
Maybe you choose to be woefully ignorant of the doctrine. I can't help at all cause your mind it is closed, a locked room.


The millennial kingdom is the future reign of Jesus Christ on earth as He sits on David’s throne in Jerusalem. Everyone who enters that kingdom will be redeemed by God and therefore righteous (see Isaiah 35:8–10). Among those redeemed will be two distinct groups of people: those with glorified physical bodies and those with natural, earthly bodies.

Those who occupy the millennial kingdom with glorified bodies can be divided into three subgroups: the church, whose bodies were either resurrected or changed at the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13–18; 1 Corinthians 15:21–23, 51–53); tribulation martyrs, who are resurrected after Christ returns to earth (Revelation 20:4–6); and the Old Testament saints, who we assume are resurrected at the same time (see Daniel 12:2). Those who occupy the kingdom with earthly bodies have survived the tribulation and can be subdivided into two groups: believing Gentiles and believing Jews.

Revelation 19:11–16 describes the second coming of Jesus Christ. This is distinct from the rapture (1 Thessalonians 4:13–18; 1 Corinthians 15:51–53), which is an earlier appearing of Christ in the air. (There is no mention in Revelation 19—20 of any kind of rapture event. This implies that saints who are on earth when Christ returns will remain on earth to enter the millennial kingdom in their natural bodies.)

Part of Jesus’ setting up the kingdom will be His judgment of the sheep and the goats (Matthew 25:31–46). The “sheep” are the righteous Gentiles, who showed their faith by their good works toward God’s people; the “goats” are the unrighteous Gentiles, who failed to aid God’s children. Christ will cast the unrighteous into the lake of fire for eternal punishment (Matthew 25:46). Because of this judgment, and because all Israel will believe at that time (Zechariah 12:10; Romans 11:25–32), no unbeliever will enter the millennial kingdom (also see Matthew 13:24–30, 36–43).

So, those who occupy the millennial kingdom, at the start, will be the righteous of all previous dispensations: believing Gentiles in earthly bodies, redeemed Israel in earthly bodies, and resurrected/raptured believers in glorified bodies. Those who occupy the millennial kingdom will be from “many nations,” but the knowledge of the Lord Jesus will be universal: “The earth will be filled with the knowledge of the Lord as the waters cover the sea” (Habakkuk 2:14). It will be standard practice for those who occupy the millennial kingdom to travel to Jerusalem and worship the Lord in person: “Many nations will come and say, ‘Come, let us go up to the mountain of the Lord, to the temple of the God of Jacob. He will teach us his ways, so that we may walk in his paths.’ The law will go out from Zion, the word of the Lord from Jerusalem” (Micah 4:2).

Those who occupy the millennial kingdom will see the nation of Israel exalted to its fullest glory. All will be restored spiritually and physically: “‘In that day,’ declares the Lord, ‘I will gather the lame; I will assemble the exiles and those I have brought to grief. I will make the lame my remnant, those driven away a strong nation’” (Micah 4:6–7).

During the millennial kingdom, the saints in earthly, natural bodies will enjoy long lives (Isaiah 65:20), and they will produce children. By the end of the thousand years, the world is fully populated, and there are many—“in number they are like the sand on the seashore”—who rebel against the Lord (Revelation 20:7–8).

Children born during the millennial kingdom will have the responsibility to exercise faith in Christ, the same as all people of past ages. Some of those born during the millennial kingdom will choose to not believe. That is why Scripture speaks of those who die under a curse (Isaiah 65:20) and why the Lord lays out consequences for nations that do not worship Him: “If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain” (Zechariah 14:17).

For a further look at who will live in the millennial kingdom, see these passages: Isaiah 2:2–4; Zechariah 14:8–21; Ezekiel 34:17–24; Daniel 7:13–14; Micah 4:1–5.
During the millennium, the planet finally receives the Sabbath rest it needs. It is no coincidence we are approaching the 7th millennium since creation. During the millennium to come, the earth will revert back to its native state as it was before creation. Empty. Void of all life except the fallen angels. Chaos. In ruins. The resurrected and translated redeemed are in heaven with Christ. The wicked are still dead, lying about as decomposing bodies on earth, awaiting their resurrection at the end of the millennium when the holy city the New Jerusalem descends from heaven along with Christ and all the saints and settles on the planet on the site prepared for it. The wicked are raised, they are informed of their sentence and why... The second death... They attack the city as their only option of survival revealing their true nature, and they, along with the devil and his angels, are destroyed by fire. That is the lake of fire. After the fire goes out and appropriate punishment dispensed, God creates the new heaven and the new earth. No sin. No sinners. No Satan. No suffering, pain, or sorrow.
 

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During the millennium, the planet finally receives the Sabbath rest it needs.
This is what the Seventh-Day Adventist Church has taught you, but this is never taught in scripture anywhere. Why would the planet need a Sabbath rest? Instead of that, we see this taught in scripture...

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise, and the elements will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up. 11 Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner of persons ought you to be in holy conduct and godliness, 12 looking for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat? 13 Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells.

This passage is referring to the return of Christ when He will come as a thief in the night. On the day He comes fire will dissolve the heavens and the elements and burn up the earth and all of the things made on the earth. Peter said, despite that, we look for "new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells" in accordance with the fulfillment of the promise of Christ's second coming (first mentioned in 2 Peter 3:4). So, Peter taught that the new heavens and new earth will be ushered in as part of the fulfillment of Christ's second coming. Not a thousand years later after His second coming, as you believe.

It is no coincidence we are approaching the 7th millennium since creation. During the millennium to come, the earth will revert back to its native state as it was before creation. Empty. Void of all life except the fallen angels. Chaos. In ruins.
Where is that taught in scripture? Peter sure didn't seem to know of such a thing.

The resurrected and translated redeemed are in heaven with Christ. The wicked are still dead, lying about as decomposing bodies on earth, awaiting their resurrection at the end of the millennium when the holy city the New Jerusalem descends from heaven along with Christ and all the saints and settles on the planet on the site prepared for it.
How can their decomposing bodies be lying around on the earth when scripture says they will be burned up? Do you think decomposing bodies were laying all over Sodom and Gomorrah on the ground after fire came down on them?

The wicked are raised, they are informed of their sentence and why... The second death... They attack the city as their only option of survival revealing their true nature, and they, along with the devil and his angels, are destroyed by fire. That is the lake of fire.
This is a case of blatantly twisting the text in Revelation 20. The second death is shown to occur AFTER Revelation 20:9 has occurred, not at the same time. The fire that comes down from heaven to destroy the unbelievers on earth is literal fire that physically destroys them. That occurs BEFORE the judgment described in Revelation 20:11-15. You are acting as if what is described in Revelation 20:9 happens at the same time as what is described in Revelation 20:15. No. There is no indication whatsoever of that. Revelation 20:9 describes physical destruction on the earth. That is not at all what Revelation 20:15 is referring to.
 
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You don't even know what the teachers of your millennial reign say about it, here it is
Maybe your being played. Either you are being deceived, or your are being deceitful.

Another option would be that you are.
 

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I believe Jesus judges the believers in one point in time but judges everyone else at the very end of time.
 
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Indeed the second coming brings Judgement. God promises to avenge the blood of the saints He spoke to at their graves, because their blood cried out to Him from the grave. Jesus Himself, comes with a double edge sword to judge those who attacked His bride, His body, His elect. Blood will be as high as a horses sadle and as far as the eye can see. The Beast and False prophet will be cast into the lake of fire, and the Dragon, Satan will be thrown down into the abyss for a thousand years. That's judgemet and the end of this age.

Suddenly, we enter the mellennial age, at the end of the mellennia, Satan is released, He will gather the nations against God, and God destroy's them, not with a battle, but straight out of heaven, first with an earthquake, and then with brimstone and fire. Suddenly, God vaporises this earth and this heaven, and a new heaven and new earth appear, and the New Jerusalem.
According to Scripture: the second coming is the end. We have been in Rev 20 since the first resurrection of Jesus.
  • What was introduced at the beginning will be concluded at the end. One is the antithesis of the other. All of time and history can be found in between these two particular events.
  • The Greek word eschatos means end, last, farthest or final. The word telos means the termination, completion or that by which a thing is finished.
  • Scripture identifies “the end” with “the coming of the Lord” when Jesus arrives in majesty and glory.
  • Scripture shows “the last day” to also be the day when Jesus returns.
  • You will never understand the nature and extent of “the last day” (singular) until you understand the nature and extent of “the last days” (plural).
  • The Lord always rescues His people before pouring out His final judgment upon man.
  • The description that accompanies the Lord’s return is fiery comprehensive, and sudden. No one survives.
  • There will be a connection between the glorification of man and the glorification of creation at the end, just like there was a connection between the Fall of man and the Fall of creation at the beginning.
  • To inherit the incorrupt age to come, God has to suitably change us into incorrupt beings. Basically, He is going to perfect us so that we are qualified to inherit the perfect world to come.
 

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I believe Jesus judges the believers in one point in time but judges everyone else at the very end of time.
Have you any corroboration for that Premil opinion on Rev 20? I cannot find it. That is why I abandoned Premil.
 
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Have you have corroboration for that Premil opinion on Rev 20? I cannot find it. That is why I abandoned Premil.
All I found was plenty of corroboration for the opposite of .....,

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I believe Jesus judges the believers in one point in time but judges everyone else at the very end of time.
 
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All I found was plenty of corroboration for the opposite of .....,

Prycejosh1987 said:
I believe Jesus judges the believers in one point in time but judges everyone else at the very end of time.

There is zero scripture to support the opposite. All related scriptures show two judgements, the saved first and the unsaved at another time.

Here they are:

Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Before the thousand years even begins, there are thrones and judgment is given to those sitting on the thrones. Then we are introduced to a group of dead Christian martyrs who come back to life. Even the Amill scholar Barnes believes not only is there a judgment here but also states it is these dead martyrs that are being judged and there is only one judgment for them, eternal life!



John sees two groups of people/souls:

1. people sitting on thrones and judgment given to them
2. souls of the tribulation martyrs who instead of remaining dead are said to live with Christ

Claiming 1 and 2 are the same group doesn't make any sense. Those judging are not the second group mentioned. It can only be that second group of martyrs that were being judged and the judgment has to be a resurrection to life which we know is the reward for the dead in Christ.



We see the same event in Daniel:

Dan 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.


Here are multiple thrones and God the Father himself sitting there.


Dan 7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.


And here again judgment is mentioned and a large group standing before him. This must be the dead in Christ being judged to life because it cannot apply to the unsaved because the beast hasn't yet been slain:


Dan 7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.


This beast of course is also seen in Rev 19 being destroyed at the return of Christ. What we then have been given is a judgment of a group before the beast is destroyed so that group must be the saved being judged to eternal life as we also see in Rev 20.

Dan 7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

And just like it is for the thousand years, some "beasts" (the wicked/unsaved/and satan himself) have their lives prolonged. Indeed during the thousand years satan and many unsaved gentiles of the world's nations will live through the thousand years.


Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

Before the thousand years even begins, there are thrones and judgment is given to those sitting on the thrones. Then we are introduced to a group of dead Christian martyrs who come back to life. This is a judgment and resurrection of only the saved. The unsaved are judged at a later time and at a later resurrection: "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished" so clearly AFTER the Millennium is when these are resurrected and judged.


Another example of the righteous being judged separately from the wicked:


Mat 25:34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
Mat 25:35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in:
Mat 25:36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me.
Mat 25:37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink?
Mat 25:38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Mat 25:39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
Mat 25:40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.


Here we again have judgment of the righteous first! No wicked are being judged with the righteous.


Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
Mat 25:44 Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not minister unto thee?
Mat 25:45 Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
Mat 25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Christ does not address time in this but according to Rev 20, there is a period of time inbetween the judgment of the dead in Christ vs. the rest of the dead so we know there is time inbetween these two judgments. Even in human courts there is no such concept of judging someone a reward while judging someone to death. That happens at different times. The two don't belong in one court judgment.


1Pe 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

As you can see, the righteous are judged FIRST. Judgment starts with "us" as Peter confirms.
 

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That has nothing to do with satans little season.

It seems to me that when the restraint is lifted satan can commence his activity in all power of deception etc...,

2thess 2
7 For the mystery of lawlessness [rebellion against divine authority and the coming reign of lawlessness] is already at work; [but it is restrained] only until he who now restrains it is taken out of the way.

8 Then the lawless one [the Antichrist] will be revealed and the Lord Jesus will slay him with the breath of His mouth and bring him to an end by the appearance of His coming.

9 The coming of the [Antichrist, the lawless] one is through the activity of Satan, [attended] with great power [all kinds of counterfeit miracles] and [deceptive] signs and false wonders 10 and by unlimited seduction to evil and with all the deception of wickedness for those who are perishing, because they did not welcome the love of the truth [of the gospel] so as to be saved [they were spiritually blind, and rejected the truth that would have saved them].

11 Because of this God will send upon them a misleading influence, [an activity of error and deception] so they will believe the lie, 12 in order that all may be judged and condemned who did not believe the truth [about their sin, and the need for salvation through Christ], but instead took pleasure in unrighteousness.


That strongly suggests satans season comes prior to our Lords second coming.
It also strongly suggests that satan is restricted in his activities prior to the second coming.
 

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That strongly suggests satans season comes prior to our Lords second coming.

It doesn't even mention it. Rev shows the little season is well after the second coming and resurrection of the just.


It also strongly suggests that satan is restricted in his activities prior to the second coming.


He always is restricted in some way. Nothing new about that. In Rev 20 he is not restricted but imprisoned and unable to deceive the nations. Amill changes the text to mean he is restricted from deceiving the nations so he can still deceive just in some lesser way which is not what the text says.