What is the difference between the gospel to the Jews and the gospel to the gentiles?

[Nancy]

So you are saying that someone must have all their theology right before coming to God? That God refuses their pleas for help and salvation until they've done a Bible study, and come to all the correct conclusions?
I know that I had no understanding of the Godhead, and after 50 years as Christian, relatively no closer to understanding God than when we first met. But I knew my need. Forgiveness. Love. Acceptance. A new life. God gave all those in one night. I've spent the last 50 years learning to love Him and know Him better.

I had a Catholic understanding of Christmas and Easter before asking God into my life and making it something He can approve of. All I knew at the time was superficial ritual and fluff. So no. We don't need to fully understand the birth, death and resurrection of Christ. Just asking Him into your life and believing He's alive says everything don't you think?

That is not at all what I'm saying. I said these things are very important to learn, they should be taught to the babes in Christ. Doctrine DOES matter.
I said people need to know these things, NOT people need to know these things BEFORE COMING TO GOD. Please don't put words in my mouth.

 

[amigo de christo]

Thanks.
How many gospels are there?

according to the so called ecumenical interfaith there are many gospels ,
but the sheep wont heed their voice .
WE know there is but ONE TRUE G OSPEL of JESUS the CHRIST
revealed first unto the apostels and they all preached the identical same one to both the jew and gentile .
Starting on the very day of pentencost . AFTER HIS RESSURECTION and ascension .
The gospel which clearly states
YE must beleive GOD rose HIM from the dead and confess him by mouth .
You come to p lant confusion and to prepare this peoples minds unto a lie .
I know all about that lie my friend . The popes and more and more of the protestant realm
are now implying this lie . Get off that train and fast , cause on the day of the LORD its all going down .

 

[amigo de christo]

What if understanding doctrine never happens??
Is the person still saved??

You do realize the man you ask this too
simply comes to plant doubt and confusion .

 

[Marvelloustime]

according to the so called ecumenical interfaith there are many gospels ,
but the sheep wont heed their voice .
WE know there is but ONE TRUE G OSPEL of JESUS the CHRIST
revealed first unto the apostels and they all preached the identical same one to both the jew and gentile .
Starting on the very day of pentencost . AFTER HIS RESSURECTION and ascension .
The gospel which clearly states
YE must beleive GOD rose HIM from the dead and confess him by mouth .
You come to p lant confusion and to prepare this peoples minds unto a lie .
I know all about that lie my friend . The popes and more and more of the protestant realm
are now implying this lie . Get off that train and fast , cause on the day of the LORD its all going down .

@amigo de christo

 

[Jack]

You do realize the man you ask this too
simply comes to plant doubt and confusion .

That's a FACT! STV doesn't know why he's in a Christian Forum.

 

[amigo de christo]

That is not at all what I'm saying. I said these things are very important to learn, they should be taught to the babes in Christ. Doctrine DOES matter.
I said people need to know these things, NOT people need to know these things BEFORE COMING TO GOD. Please don't put words in my mouth.

Exactly sister . And oh yes DOCTRINE does matter .
For any and all who beleive that Doctrine does not matter , may i suggest
we read again the message to the seven churches .
God is dead set against false doctrine
and all about HIS DOCTRINE . Oh yes doctrine matters .
And if i had a dime put into my mouth every time one tried to put words into mine
That had been one fat mouth constantly have to swallowing
and a bellly and bowels and draught house FULL of dimes .
People are real good at putting words into the mouths of those who speak truth .
Because they cant use doctrine to correct so its accusations that then get implied .
Oh YES doctrine does ma tter . And its wh y for years i have been doing all i can
to get this generation back into the bible to learn HIS doctrine for themselves .

 

[amigo de christo]

That's a FACT! STV doesn't know why he's in a Christian Forum.

Verily verily i say unto thee , OH but he knows EXACTLY why he is on this forum .
TO PLANT doubts and lead in his own crusade this peoples into the inclusive realm
from which if a man do enter he has entered into a covenenant of second death only .
Only he dont realize this . TO this people who is decieved and have been decieved
by this UNBELEIF path , they simply see it as the love of GOD that has made the path to him
VERY broad indeed .

 

[amigo de christo]

That's a FACT! STV doesn't know why he's in a Christian Forum.

The man sat under DECONSTRUCTION and he loved it .
HE has made posts on it . Saying things like how far is too far with deconstruction .
Cause i am sure he did see some errors of where it has led
BUT HE cannot see that ANY DECONSTRUCTION w as deadly from the get go .

 

[Marvelloustime]

Exactly sister . And oh yes DOCTRINE does matter .
For any and all who beleive that Doctrine does not matter , may i suggest
we read again the message to the seven churches .
God is dead set against false doctrine
and all about HIS DOCTRINE . Oh yes doctrine matters .
And if i had a dime put into my mouth every time one tried to put words into mine
That had been one fat mouth constantly have to swallowing
and a bellly and bowels and draught house FULL of dimes .
People are real good at putting words into the mouths of those who speak truth .
Because they cant use doctrine to correct so its accusations that then get implied .
Oh YES doctrine does ma tter . And its wh y for years i have been doing all i can
to get this generation back into the bible to learn HIS doctrine for themselves .

@amigo de christo

 

[amigo de christo]

That's a FACT! STV doesn't know why he's in a Christian Forum.

BIBLE . You seen it . YOU see what he d oes with it and tries to imply .
DECONSTRUCTION my friend leads only to ones DESTRUCTION .
Let us alll say it , DECONSTRUCTION leads only to ones own DESTRUCTION .
The bible ought never to have been twisted and words omitted and etc .

 

[GodsGrace]

So you are saying that someone must have all their theology right before coming to God? That God refuses their pleas for help and salvation until they've done a Bible study, and come to all the correct conclusions?
I know that I had no understanding of the Godhead, and after 50 years as Christian, relatively no closer to understanding God than when we first met. But I knew my need. Forgiveness. Love. Acceptance. A new life. God gave all those in one night. I've spent the last 50 years learning to love Him and know Him better.

I had a Catholic understanding of Christmas and Easter before asking God into my life and making it something He can approve of. All I knew at the time was superficial ritual and fluff. So no. We don't need to fully understand the birth, death and resurrection of Christ.

Brakelite...
Just saw this when posting to a different member.

I'd say that it IS important to understand the resurrection..or, at least, accept it.
Some believe Jesus was resurrected SPIRITUALLY...

I'd go so far as to say that if someone does not believe in the resurrection...
they could hardly be considered Christain.

Do you agree?

Just asking Him into your life and believing He's alive says everything don't you think?

 

[GodsGrace]

You do realize the man you ask this too
simply comes to plant doubt and confusion .

Actually, no, I do not.
I don't follow his threads very much.
So, I'm not sure what he believes.

My reply to my own question would be that if a person is depending on Jesus to save them,,,
and there's some kind of change in their life whereby they live to try to please Him...

then whether or not they ever understand theology/doctrine would be secondary.....
I've always said that it's not doctrine that saves us but our belief in Christ...

And, in the Greek language to believe means to obey.

 

[GodsGrace]

That's a FACT! STV doesn't know why he's in a Christian Forum.

This is a problem.
I had a thread on this problem.
A person is allowed to believe whatever he
wishes to believe and still consider himself to be Christian.

 

[St. SteVen]

St. SteVen said:
What is the essence that connects all these gospel messages?

Grace.

Well said.

 

[amigo de christo]

Actually, no, I do not.
I don't follow his threads very much.
So, I'm not sure what he believes.

My reply to my own question would be that if a person is depending on Jesus to save them,,,
and there's some kind of change in their life whereby they live to try to please Him...

then whether or not they ever understand theology/doctrine would be secondary.....
I've always said that it's not doctrine that saves us but our belief in Christ...

And, in the Greek language to believe means to obey.

Believe sure does mean obey . yes i ndeed .
Be on gaurd and be aware
cause something so deceptive has come in to take christendom captive to a lie ,
to forever silence the one true gospel . AND its father has done what he always has done
HE will USE A TRUTH to implant A LIE .
You do understand that is how he works , right .
Lets look again at the garden .
DID satan come to eve and tell her , THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS GOD . NO .
HE even said GOD KNOWS . okay . LETS establish that real quickly . HE will use even GODS words
YES HE DO .
So lets look at what he did to eve . WHEN eve had told him WE may not EAT of the tree in the midst of the garden
or we shall surely die .
W HAT DID HE NEXT SAY . was it OH GOD IS NOT real . NO .
HE said surely YE SHALL NOT DIE , FOR GOD KNOWS that in the day ye eat thereof your eyes shall be opened
Which that part was T RUE , cause EVEN GOD said man has become as on e of us .
SO now allow me to i ntroduce you to the LIE THAT WILL DEST ROY from within THE ENTIRE HOUSE of what is known as
christenedom .
FOR inclusivism says a solid truth but then IMPLANTS THE LIE .
FOR THEY say JESUS IS THE SAVOIR OF THE WORLD , but then imply that because HE IS , IT WONT matter
if you believed or not . BINGO , THAT IS THE LIE . ITS THE LIE and i have come to expose it . I HAVE COME
to expose it and will not be silenced till this mans dead body be in the earth .
IF we t ruly BELEIVE IN JESUS , WE WOULD HAVE beleived HIS WORDS , OBEYED HIM
AND NOT CALLED HIM A LIAR by implanting the lie of , OH its okay if m uslims , b uddisets
and who knows what else did not BELEIVE ON H IM . THEY too will be fine they cliam , , JESUS IS THE SAVOIR of the world
THEY WONT perish they cliam , THEY will be okay , WHAT A FLAT OUT LIE .
but you would be amazed at how many buy it

 

[amigo de christo]

Actually, no, I do not.
I don't follow his threads very much.
So, I'm not sure what he believes.

My reply to my own question would be that if a person is depending on Jesus to save them,,,
and there's some kind of change in their life whereby they live to try to please Him...

then whether or not they ever understand theology/doctrine would be secondary.....
I've always said that it's not doctrine that saves us but our belief in Christ...

And, in the Greek language to believe means to obey.

Inclusivists BELIEVE JESUS saved them , heck they beleive BECAUSE JESUS IS THE SAVOIR of the world
IT MEANS ALL are saved . whether ya believe or did not beleive .
THAT is only the working of anti christ . Because HE WHO BELEIVES NOT
the testimony that GOD g ave OF HIS SON , IS CALLING GOD A LIAR .
And th e last time i checked , JESUS darn sure made it clear
about having to BELEIvE ON HIM to HAVE THIS ETERNAL LIFE and be saved
and man did he warn those who DID NOT BELIEVE ON HIM of their worse than sodom for you OUTCOME .
SATAN is a liar and he knows how to seem like a loving fellow indeed who only cares for you . HE IS A LIAR .

 

[GodsGrace]

Inclusivists BELIEVE JESUS saved them , heck they beleive BECAUSE JESUS IS THE SAVOIR of the world
IT MEANS ALL are saved . whether ya believe or did not beleive .
THAT is only the working of anti christ . Because HE WHO BELEIVES NOT
the testimony that GOD g ave OF HIS SON , IS CALLING GOD A LIAR .
And th e last time i checked , JESUS darn sure made it clear
about having to BELEIvE ON HIM to HAVE THIS ETERNAL LIFE and be saved
and man did he warn those who DID NOT BELIEVE ON HIM of their worse than sodom for you OUTCOME .
SATAN is a liar and he knows how to seem like a loving fellow indeed who only cares for you . HE IS A LIAR .

I like John 3:36.
Christianity in a nutshell....

36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

 

[amigo de christo]

I like John 3:36.
Christianity in a nutshell....

36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

He who calls JESUS a liar has not e ternal life .
Even if they can use his Name , its all in vain .
We cannot preach both b eleif and unbelief . so many will wail my friend . Even many who said LORD , LORD
and yet allowed unbelief to be taught . We bet ter all watch out for that one my friend .

 

[St. SteVen]

I like John 3:36.
Christianity in a nutshell....

36 "He who believes in the Son has eternal life; but he who does not obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."

"obey the Son"
That's a tall order.

Matthew 10:8 NIV
Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy,[a] drive out demons.
Freely you have received; freely give.

 

[Wick Stick]

I fail to see where the death, burial and resurrection is in that.

That's because the death, burial and resurrection is NOT the gospel. Jesus certainly didn't go about proclaiming His impending death, nor that He would be kicking down hell's gates to lead captivity captive. Those things are important, even necessary to the covenant, but they aren't the gospel message that was proclaimed.

And what about repentance and baptism?

Repentance is included in Abraham's story. "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness." That righteousness formed the basis for Abraham's covenant (walk before me, and be thou perfect).

Baptism, when understood to be a ceremony of adoption, is also included in Abraham's story. Abraham is promised to be made a "father of nations," which is nothing more than the adoption of so many Gentiles into the covenant.

Yet another gospel. [edit]

The same one. At least, Paul tells me so. I think those who tell me that Paul was the one proclaiming a different gospel, are the ones confused.