Reason for The Crusades explained

[Matthias]

The “What if …?” always assumes that meeting violence with lethal violence is the answer. The Messiah and his followers met ”violence at the doorstep” and killed no one.

Do Christians really understand how much suffering they endured? Few today are willing to do what they did.

“I’ll follow Jesus, but not if it‘s potentially going to cost me my life.”

 

[Matthias]

What would it take for an average person to disobey Jesus’ teachings? Not much, even when their life or the life of a family member isn’t threatened.

And when their life or the life of a family member is threatened? Forget what Jesus and his followers did for 300 years. ”They should have armed themselves, ready to kill. That’s what I’m going to do!”

“You are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.”

No. You are not following Jesus if you are armed, ready to kill. He wasn’t armed, ready to kill.

 

[JustMe]

Jesus, Paul, the other apostles, the earliest Christians, didn’t use the sword to kill their enemies.

“Put away your sword” - and they did. The world didn’t. The world considered them as sheep to the slaughter. It still does.

I see you can only see a sword killing another human being, one's 'enemies' that are not defined, and must be.

I read mixed signals in your post; it's a little confusing. I really do not want to guess what you are really saying here and where you are going by using these key words: sword, killing, enemies, world, sheep to the slaughter, all applied in an extreme unrealistic potential scenario. A sword on a person, sheathed, cannot kill anyone, and the intention is to ward of, deter confrontation not to use it to kill, insanely.

I believe your thinking pushes towards the extreme, believing that if you even own a sword you are most probably guilty of a future crime, as a high risk, at least of a future murder even if it's considered an act of self-defense. And you are branded as of the world and not of God.

And extreme in your thinking that not only is one with a sword of the world. they also consider killing as sheep to the slaughter...as some cruel sport.

correct me if I have this reading all wrong.
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Now I believe you are addressing Luke 22 and of similar scripture: Peter was determined to use his sword to defend his lord's life and even his own if necessary. Once he knew that his master had resigned himself to the Cross Peter changed his stance and kept his sword sheathed. And as you already know, Yeshua and his close friends were made by design to be outlaws and potential killers from the start and thus the need for the swords and the ear slicing incident. This made Yeshua's arrest more justifiable as was planned by his Father.

 

[Matthias]

I see you can only see a sword killing another human being, one's 'enemies' that are not defined, and must be.

I read mixed signals in your post; it's a little confusing. I really do not want to guess what you are really saying here and where you are going by using these key words: sword, killing, enemies, world, sheep to the slaughter, all applied in an extreme unrealistic potential scenario. A sword on a person, sheathed, cannot kill anyone, and the intention is to ward of, deter confrontation not to use it to kill, insanely.

I believe your thinking pushes towards the extreme, believing that if you even own a sword you are most probably guilty of a future crime, as a high risk, at least of a future murder even if it's considered an act of self-defense. And you are branded as of the world and not of God.

And extreme in your thinking that not only is one with a sword of the world. they also consider killing as sheep to the slaughter...as some cruel sport.

correct me if I have this reading all wrong.

You have this reading wrong.

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Now I believe you are addressing Luke 22 and of similar scripture: Peter was determined to use his sword to defend his lord's life and even his own if necessary. Once he knew that his master had resigned himself to the Cross Peter changed his stance and kept his sword sheathed. And as you already know, Yeshua and his close friends were made by design to be outlaws and potential killers from the start and thus the need for the swords and the ear slicing incident. This made Yeshua's arrest more justifiable as was planned by his Father.

I have, and that was rejected out of hand by @Wrangler. That’s how we got here.

 

[Wrangler]

I have, and that was rejected out of hand by @Wrangler.

No. More like not discussed since the Crusaders did not merely buy swords while committing to keep them sheathed at all times no matter what.

The deterrent is NOT the gun is concealed or the sword is sheathed that keeps the predator at bay. Everyone knows, criminals prefer an unarmed society.

You’re so over-spiritualized that you are forever in denial that men have the burden to do justice now - and that sometimes means killing bad men. And you further deny this soulful need is not sinful in anyway.

 

[Matthias]

Their lives and the lives of their family members were threatened. They did not draw the sword to kill their enemies @JustMe.

Would you do what they did? Or would you follow the teaching of @Wrangler?

“You are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.”

 

[Matthias]

No.

You’re wrong. Review the thread.

More like not discussed since the Crusaders did not merely buy swords while committing to keep them sheathed at all times no matter what.

The deterrent is NOT the gun is concealed or the sword is sheathed that keeps the predator at bay. Everyone knows, criminals prefer an unarmed society.

 

[Matthias]

That is, you're a troll. Not good to feed the troll.

What are you doing posting to me?

 

[Matthias]

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Their lives and the lives of their family members were threatened. They did not draw the sword to kill their enemies @JustMe.

Would you do what they did? Or would you follow the teaching of @Wrangler?

“You are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.”

“Extraordinary men suffer extraordinary things so that they are made weak and helpless and they look to one hope.” - Paul Washer

Those who follow Jesus.

”You are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.“

Those who follow that teaching aren’t weak and helpless. They are the common man of the world.

”Men in form not in substance”

What the common man of the world says about Jesus and his extraordinary followers.

 

[Wrangler]

What are you doing posting to me?

Tax the bad. Subsidize the good.

I look forward to my prayers being answered in reading your honest answers to these questions tomorrow:

1. What are the reasons FOR the Crusades?
2. What is your primary objection to the Crusades?
3. If attending to soulful, worldly and fleshy needs is inherently sinful, why is the Sabbath only 1 day/week?
4. What are we supposed to do the other 6 days of the week if only one day is reserved exclusively for spiritual matters?
5. Why do you not accuse Christ of having in his heart to kill people but do accuse me?
6. Is following Jesus commands to buy a sword (with the intent to use it for its intended purpose) and give to government what is the government sinful?
7. If killing people is inherently sinful, why did God command us to do justice, which always included killing people? See God’s judgement throughout the OT and Christ at Rev 19.
8. If killing people is inherently sinful, why is murder prohibited in the 10C while killing is not prohibited?
9. If killing people is inherently sinful, why is it the first order of business upon Christ’s return?
10. If killing people is inherently sinful, why will Christ ultimately condemn many to death in The Lake of Fire on Judgment Day, aka The Second Death?

Thank you for your attention in these matters.

 

[Matthias]

Tax the bad. Subsidize the good.

I look forward to my prayers being answered in reading your honest answers to these questions tomorrow:

1. What are the reasons FOR the Crusades?
2. What is your primary objection to the Crusades?
3. If attending to soulful, worldly and fleshy needs is inherently sinful, why is the Sabbath only 1 day/week?
4. What are we supposed to do the other 6 days of the week if only one day is reserved exclusively for spiritual matters?
5. Why do you not accuse Christ of having in his heart to kill people but do accuse me?
6. Is following Jesus commands to buy a sword (with the intent to use it for its intended purpose) and give to government what is the government sinful?
7. If killing people is inherently sinful, why did God command us to do justice, which always included killing people? See God’s judgement throughout the OT and Christ at Rev 19.
8. If killing people is inherently sinful, why is murder prohibited in the 10C while killing is not prohibited?
9. If killing people is inherently sinful, why is it the first order of business upon Christ’s return?
10. If killing people is inherently sinful, why will Christ ultimately condemn many to death in The Lake of Fire on Judgment Day, aka The Second Death?

Thank you for your attention in these matters.

“… you’re a troll. Not good to feed the troll.”

You’re a hypocrite.

 

[Jay Ross]

Hello

Unless you are prepared to die for what you believe in, you do not believe in it.

Jesus said it this way: -

Luke 14:27: - 27 And whoever does not bear his cross and come after Me cannot be My disciple.

NKJV
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[Wrangler]

“Extraordinary men suffer extraordinary things so that they are made weak and helpless and they look to one hope.” - Paul Washer

Pathetic.

”You are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.“

”Men in form not in substance”

I’m so grateful that you are coming around.

Modern day Christianity owes its existence to the Crusades and the like, not to weak men, over-spiritualized to the hilt pretending to have moral superiority while owing their lives to those who reject their pacifist world view.

I know I owe my Life, Liberty and the American way to the warrior (after God) - not the pacifist social worker. This explains why America has 2 holy days honoring the warrior and none to honor the pacifist.

 

[Matthias]

That is, you're a troll. Not good to feed the troll.

I’ve come to know you as someone who does not do good.

 

[Matthias]

Pathetic.

True Christianity isn’t pathetic. The world says that it is.

I’m so grateful that you are coming around.

I’m standing firm against your teaching. It is an abomination.

Modern day Christianity owes its existence to the Crusades and the like, not to weak men, over-spiritualized to the hilt pretending to have moral superiority while owing their lives to those who reject their pacifist world view.

I know I owe my Life, Liberty and the American way to the warrior (after God) - not the pacifist social worker. This explains why America has 2 holy days honoring the warrior and none to honor the pacifist.

“Modern day Christianity” is far removed from the Christianity of the primitive Christians.

 

[Wrangler]

“… you’re a troll. Not good to feed the troll.”

You’re a hypocrite.

Nope. Not all your posts are troll like.

Christ taught us to have discernment to be wise like serpents. You really ought to consider the principle of justice and the soulful needs of the human condition. It’s not all about spirituality and being as harmless as doves …

So many passages in Scripture balance the spiritual with the soulful needs but you don’t have eyes to see.

 

[Matthias]

Nope. Not all your posts are troll like.

You confessed that you haven’t even read all of my posts addressed to you.

I either am a troll or I’m not a troll. You can’t have it both ways.

Christ taught us to have discernment to be wise like serpents. You really ought to consider the principle of justice and the soulful needs of the human condition. It’s not all about spirituality and being as harmless as doves …

So many passages in Scripture balance the spiritual with the soulful needs but you don’t have eyes to see.

I see right through you.

 

[Matthias]

”You are not following Jesus if you aren’t armed, ready to kill.“

You wanted in on this @JustMe. Is that teaching good or evil?

 

[Matthias]

“Extraordinary men suffer extraordinary things so that they are made weak and helpless and they look to one hope.” - Paul Washer

Those who follow Jesus.

I don’t believe that’s pathetic. Do you @JustMe?

 

[Wrangler]

I’ve come to know you as someone who does not do good.

You’ve made dozens of posts like this personally attacking me.

Let me just say that no matter how wretched my soul is, it doesn’t detract from the reasons FOR the Crusades.

You on the other hand, are like the Pharisee praying to God that you’re morally superior and not wretched like me.