"what shall be the sign of thy coming"

[Spiritual Israelite]

No, the great tribulation will be global.

It was local. That's why Jesus talked about those in Judea needing to flee, not people around the world needing to flee. I'm going by what Jesus actually said and you're not.

The reason them in Judea, the region in Israel encompassing Jerusalem, are warned to flee to the mountains right away when they see the AoD set up on the temple mount is - because the false prophet is going to start rounding people up in the area and bringing them to the temple mount to worship the statue image - or be executed if refusing to do so.

And that has to do with a global tribulation how? Your argument is not convincing at all.

 

[Douggg]

And that has to do with a global tribulation how? Your argument is not convincing at all.

The multitude in Revelation 7 that came out the the great tribulation, having died during that time, were of all nations, kindreds, people, tongues. Revelation 7:9, Revelation 7:14. The great tribulation will be global.

 

[Marty fox]

Marty, I think you copied and pasted from Revelation 7:9-17, correct ? The great multitude that John saw in heaven before the throne of God, and before the Lamb.

Revelation 7:13, one of the twenty four elders asked John if John realized who the great multitude were ? John did not know, so in Revelation 7:14 the elder told John that the great multitude were persons who had come out of great tribulation, who had been saved before dying.

Which is why in Revelation 17:10, the great multitue praised God and Jesus, saying.... 10 And cried with a loud voice, saying, Salvation to our God which sitteth upon the throne, and unto the Lamb.

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The great tribulation will be an unmatched time of difficulty. And if not limited in length, no flesh on earth will survive.

You confuse it with the wrath of God

There are many tribulations but only one “the great tribulation“ which is the greatest tribulation form satan upon the church

The saints are protected from the wrath of God which is Gods judgement on the unsaved

 

[Douggg]

You confuse it with the wrath of God

There are many tribulations but only one “the great tribulation“ which is the greatest tribulation form satan upon the church

The saints are protected from the wrath of God which is Gods judgement on the unsaved

Marty, the great tribulation will be a time of God's wrath, a time of Satan's wrath, and a time of persecution by evil men themselves.

 

[ewq1938]

Marty, the great tribulation will a time of God's wrath, a time of Satan's wrath, and a time of persecution by evil men themselves.

The trib is not God's wrath. His wrath comes AFTER the trib.

 

[TribulationSigns]

The trib is not God's wrath. His wrath comes AFTER the trib.

Correct.

 

[Marty fox]

Marty, the great tribulation will a time of God's wrath, a time of Satan's wrath, and a time of persecution by evil men themselves.

Two of the three times you just posted are correct

Below is a clear description of the great tribulation is it from God or satan?

Revelation 7

The Great Multitude in White Robes​

9 After this I looked, and there before me was a great multitude that no one could count, from every nation, tribe, people and language, standing before the throne and before the Lamb. They were wearing white robes and were holding palm branches in their hands. 10 And they cried out in a loud voice:

“Salvation belongs to our God,
who sits on the throne,
and to the Lamb.”
11 All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures. They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:

“Amen!
Praise and glory
and wisdom and thanks and honor
and power and strength
be to our God for ever and ever.
Amen!”
13 Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”

14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”

And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb

 

[Douggg]

The trib is not God's wrath. His wrath comes AFTER the trib.

The seven vials of God's wrath will take place during the great tribulation.

 

[Douggg]

Below is a clear description of the great tribulation is it from God or satan?

The great tribulation will be a 1335 day long period of trouble that will be global in impact. Many aspects to it.

 

[Marty fox]

The great tribulation will be a 1335 day long period of trouble that will be global in impact. Many aspects to it.



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I’m showing you clear scriptures of the great tribulation and you are ignoring them and showing me your guessing timeline charts

 

[ewq1938]

The seven vials of God's wrath will take place during the great tribulation.

No, they pour when the 7th trump sounds.

 

[Aunty Jane]

What begins the great tribulation? And what ends the great tribulation ?

Good questions....

Matthew 24:14 transitions to the end times, after the gospel of the kingdom had been preached unto all nations.

Yes....this “preaching of the gospel” to “all the (gentile) nations” “in all the inhabited earth” shows the scale of this preaching...but it is not a scrambled message delivered by those who cannot agree on what the Kingdom is, how it comes, and what its purpose is....? It is not the idea of individuals who claim no alliances to Christendom’s churches.

This is one united message delivered by one united global brotherhood who preach the same message in all nations. Who does that describe?
How was that original message of the Kingdom delivered to the people?
(Acts 5:42; Acts 20:20)

Matthew 24:15-30 reveals that in the end times the great tribulation will begin when the abomination of desolation will be set up on the temple mount.

The tribulation begins with the destruction of “Babylon the Great”.
Do we know who or what “Babylon the Great is?
What is your view?

The great tribulation will end when the abomination of desolation of desolation is removed from the temple mount, the day that Jesus returns in Matthew 24:30b.

Not sure why you came to that conclusion. The tribulation has nothing to do with the Temple Mount.
The holy land hasn’t been “holy” since it came into the hands of gentile powers and the Jews were dispersed into various parts of the world.

The great tribulation is a prelude.....the greatest tribulation in the history of the world.....that leads into the battle of Armageddon...that is the end of everything.....

 

[Douggg]

No, they pour when the 7th trump sounds.

The 7th trump is shown on the chart. Sounding during the great tribulation.

 

[Douggg]

Not sure why you came to that conclusion. The tribulation has nothing to do with the Temple Mount.

The great tribulation begins with the abomination of desolation statue image being placed on the temple mount. When Jesus returns, Jesus stands on the mount of Olives, facing the temple mount.

And Jesus destroys the statue image, bringing it into flames, turned to ashes. Exposing Satan there on the temple mount, fulfilling Ezekiel 28:16-19.

 

[Douggg]

Below is a clear description of the great tribulation is it from God or satan?

Marty, are you asking if the great tribulation is from God or Satan ?

The great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation statue image is set-up on the temple mount. That is not something that God does, nor inspires. Satan is behind the actions by the false prophet to have the statue image made of the beast-king and placed on the temple mount.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The multitude in Revelation 7 that came out the the great tribulation, having died during that time, were of all nations, kindreds, people, tongues. Revelation 7:9, Revelation 7:14. The great tribulation will be global.

That doesn't say "the great tribulation", it says "great tribulation". And the context is in relation to tribulation for believers. In Matthew 24:15-22 (Mark 13:14-20, Luke 21:20-24), Jesus is talking about great tribulation in relation to God's wrath against unbelieving Jews. You are trying to relate two unrelated scriptures. Revelation 7:9 is referring to the "great multitude" of people from all nations that no one can count who have been saved during the New Testament era.

Why would you think that a great multitude from all nations that no one can count would be saved during a short period of time before Christ returns when scripture says there will be mass apostasy and a significant increase in deception and wickedness in the time before He returns?

All Christians whose souls are now in heaven came out of great tribulation.

Acts 14:22 Confirming the souls of the disciples, and exhorting them to continue in the faith, and that we must through much tribulation enter into the kingdom of God.

The book of Revelation is not a futurist book, as you imagine. Nor is it a preterist book as preterists imagine. It covers the entire time period from the first to the second coming of Christ. And it's not about Israel and Jerusalem, it's about Jesus Christ, His church and the enemies of Christ and His church.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The 7th trump is shown on the chart. Sounding during the great tribulation.

You have the 7th trumpet sounding already before the 5th and 6th trumpets sound. No one takes your ridiculous charts seriously. You don't even know how to count to 7.

 

[Truth7t7]

It was local. That's why Jesus talked about those in Judea needing to flee, not people around the world needing to flee. I'm going by what Jesus actually said and you're not.

Your Preterist 70AD Jerusalem and Roman armies wasn't the great tribulation as you falsely claim, it states the future great tribulation will be the greatest in world history surpassing World War II that claimed 70 Million lives, Nation Shall Rise Against Nation (Global), clear and simple before your eyes, will you deny this biblical truth?

"Nation Against Nation" (Global)

"No, Nor Ever Shall Be"

(World Wide) "There Should No Flesh Be Saved" (Global)

"NO" = "All" Flesh

Matthew 24:7 & 21KJV
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.

21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your Preterist 70AD Jerusalem and Roman armies wasn't the great tribulation as you falsely claim, it states the future great tribulation will be the greatest in world history surpassing World War II that claimed 70 Million lives

LOL. Jesus said let those in Judea flee to the mountains, not those in the entire world. You are not looking at the context. Also, it doesn't say it would be the greatest tribulation in history in scope. If that's what it meant, then the flood in Noah's day would be the greatest tribulation ever. But, no tribulation can top that in scope.

Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

This does NOT say it would be the greatest tribulation ever in scope. You are twisting the text to say that. If that was the case, it would have to be something greater than the flood in Noah's day, which is not even possible. Only 8 people survived that. Jesus was saying that it would be great tribulation unlike any since the beginning of the world to that time. The great tribulation that Jesus referred to there doesn't have to be global in order to be unlike any other great tribulation that has occurred.

What happened in 70 AD was indeed unlike any other great tribulation that has ever occurred in the world. There was cannibalism and many other kinds of horrific deaths that occurred in Jerusalem at that time. Never has a religion (Judaism) and a people group experienced great tribulation on the scale that the Jews did in Jerusalem in 70 AD. No other religion and people group has ever had all of its sacred temples and buildings destroyed like that. No other city has been completely destroyed in the manner that Jerusalem was in 70 AD. No other people group had its religion and way of life completely taken away from them like it was from the Jews in 70 AD.

"No, Nor Ever Shall Be"

(World Wide) "There Should No Flesh Be Saved" (Global)

Matthew 24:21KJV
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

No flesh in Judea! You are ignoring the context. Jesus said those in Judea would need to flee, not those throughout the world. I am going by what Jesus said the scope of great tribulation would be and you are not.

 

[Douggg]

You have the 7th trumpet sounding already before the 5th and 6th trumpets sound. No one takes your ridiculous charts seriously. You don't even know how to count to 7.

I have gone over this matter before with you. In the days that that seventh angels sounds his trumpet, the third woe to the inhabiters of the earth will take place. Revelation 12:12, Satan cast down earth having great wrath is "woe to the inhabiters of the earth" in the text.

Satan short time left, once he is cast down to earth, will be the time/times/half time of Revelation 12:14. The first woe and second woe will take place during that time/times/half time as shown on the chart.

The star (the angel) that falls down to earth in Revelation 9:1, to open the bottomless pit, and release the flesh tormenting locust of the first woe - is Satan, as part of his great wrath.