"what shall be the sign of thy coming"

[Douggg]

Colossians 2:15
15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross

Hebrews 2
14 Since the children have flesh and blood, he too shared in their humanity so that by his death he might break the power of him who holds the power of death—that is, the devil— 15 and free those who all their lives were held in slavery by their fear of death.

John 12
31 Now is the time for judgment on this world; now the prince of this world will be driven out. 32 And I, when I am lifted up[g] from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” 33 He said this to show the kind of death he was going to die.

1 John 3
8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work

Hi Marty, although those verses don't directly say crushed Satan's head, the verses speak to Christ's sacrifice on the cross to free men from Satan's power to cause death. Satan is still the enemy to mankind, and is called a roaring lion in 1Peter5:8 .

1Peter5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

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So, since we have expressed and supported our positions, I see no reason to continue debating over it, as we both cherish what Jesus suffered and died on the cross for us, forgiveness, atonement of our sins, and the gift of God, by His grace and mercy, - eternal life.

 

[ewq1938]

The 7th trump is shown on the chart. Sounding during the great tribulation.

It does not sound during the trib.

 

[Douggg]

It does not sound during the trib.

Do you have a bible verse that states the seventh angel does not sound his trumpet during the great tribulation ?

Quote all of the bible verses that say "woe to the inhabiters of the earth".

 

[ewq1938]

Do you have a bible verse that states the seventh angel does not sound his trumpet during the great tribulation ?

All of Rev 11 shows this.

 

[Douggg]

All of Rev 11 shows this.

No, it does not.

Quote all of the bible verses that say "woe to the inhabiters of the earth".

 

[ewq1938]

No, it does not.

It does. It starts within the 6th trump which is the trib, and midway the 7th sounds and that is the end of the trib.

 

[Douggg]

It does. It starts within the 6th trump which is the trib, and midway the 7th sounds and that is the end of the trib.

You are not clear. Quote all of the bible verses that say "woe to the inhabiters of the earth".

 

[ewq1938]

You are not clear.

I was very clear.

 

[Douggg]

I was very clear.

Quote all of the bible verses that say "woe to the inhabiters of the earth".

 

[Jay Ross]

What do you mean will "miss" ?

The entire world will see the sign of the Son of man in heaven.

Yes douggg, they may see the sign of Jesus in heaven, but whether or not they understand what the significance is of that sighting of Jesus in heaven represents, may literally be missed by them. Douggg you see what is written in the translated bibles that you use but that does not mean that you actually understand what you actually see.

 

[Jay Ross]

Nobody is going to miss the second coming, it will be global fire time

Yes t7t7, they may see the sign of Jesus in heaven, but whether or not they understand what the significance is of that sighting of Jesus in heaven represents, may literally be missed by them. T7t7 you see what is written in the translated bibles that you use but that does not mean that you actually understand what you actually see.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes t7t7, they may see the sign of Jesus in heaven, but whether or not they understand what the significance is of that sighting of Jesus in heaven represents, may literally be missed by them. T7t7 you see what is written in the translated bibles that you use but that does not mean that you actually understand what you actually see.

What don't I understand, Jesus returns in fire and destruction just as the scripture states below?

"Destroyed Them All"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[Douggg]

Yes douggg, they may see the sign of Jesus in heaven, but whether or not they understand what the significance is of that sighting of Jesus in heaven represents, may literally be missed by them. Douggg you see what is written in the translated bibles that you use but that does not mean that you actually understand what you actually see.

Jay, the verses in Revelation 6:15-17 indicate that the inhabiters of the earth will not only see Jesus (highlighted in red), but also the throne of God in heaven (highlighted in blue).

Revelation 14:14 indicates that Jesus will have a sickle in His hand. So it will be obvious his intentions will be to carry His wrath on the wicked men of the world who will have been persecuting and martyring the great tribulation saints. In Revelation 6:9-10, the martyred great tribulation saints ask Jesus to avenge their deaths. So, that explains the reason for wrath of the Lamb on the wicked men on the earth.

Revelation 6:
15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains;

16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb:

17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?

 

[Marty fox]

Hi Marty, although those verses don't directly say crushed Satan's head, the verses speak to Christ's sacrifice on the cross to free men from Satan's power to cause death. Satan is still the enemy to mankind, and is called a roaring lion in 1Peter5:8 .

1Peter5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

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So, since we have expressed and supported our positions, I see no reason to continue debating over it, as we both cherish what Jesus suffered and died on the cross for us, forgiveness, atonement of our sins, and the gift of God, by His grace and mercy, - eternal life.

Well no verse in the entire Bible mentions a seven year tribulation

The point is that satan was defeated at the cross, it’s spiritual not literal and that defeat is for anyone who chooses it in their life

 

[ewq1938]

What don't I understand, Jesus returns in fire and destruction just as the scripture states below?

So you think Sodom will be burned again at the second coming? That alone does not support your personal belief that the entire human population of unsaved are burned to death.

"Destroyed Them All"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Not all humans only all in the targeted cities. This is why other Amills do not use this verse because it does not support such a belief. You also leave out the part about Noah and the flood because you only want to cherry pick the verses about fire and ignore everything else. Multiple evidence that your position on this is wrong and unscriptural.

 

[Douggg]

Well no verse in the entire Bible mentions a seven year tribulation

I agree. I never use that phrase. And the 7 years in Daniel 9:27 and the 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9 are not all tribulation. Much of the first half will be a false messianic age of the unsaved world saying "peace and safety".

I always refer to the 7 years as the 70th week of Daniel 9:25 or the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9.

Also, it is unclear when other posters type in their posts the phrase "the tribulation", whether they are meaning the 7 years, or are they meaning the "great tribulation".

 

[Truth7t7]

I agree. I never use that phrase. And the 7 years in Daniel 9:27 and the 7 years in Ezekiel 39:9 are not all tribulation. Much of the first half will be a false messianic age of the unsaved world saying "peace and safety".

I always refer to the 7 years as the 70th week of Daniel 9:25 or the 7 years of Ezekiel 39:9.

Also, it is unclear when other posters type in their posts the phrase "the tribulation", whether they are meaning the 7 years, or are they meaning the "great tribulation".

Ezekiel 39 was a war fought long ago with bows, arrows, and spears "Fulfilled"

There is no such thing as a future 7 year period of tribulation, Daniel's prophecy was seen in literal days not years as you falsely teach

 

[Truth7t7]

Not all humans only all in the targeted cities.

Oh Sure, As You Add To Scripture Something Not Seen, Fairy Tales And Imaginations

You Aren't And Can't Be Taken Seriously

 

[Douggg]

Ezekiel 39 was a war fought long ago with bows, arrows, and spears "Fulfilled"

Ezekiel 38, the same Gog/Magog event is said in the text - latter years, later days. Ezekiel 38:8 and Ezekiel 38:16.

Plus there is no mass grave site called Hamongog in Israel yet. Ezekiel 39:15.

The Jews of Judaism all consider Gog/Magog still unfulfilled, as well.

 

[Aunty Jane]

The multitude in Revelation 7 that came out the the great tribulation, having died during that time, were of all nations, kindreds, people, tongues. Revelation 7:9, Revelation 7:14. The great tribulation will be global.

There are two groups mentioned in that vision that John was given.....

Rev 7:3,4,9-11,13-17....NASB...highlight God’s instructions to the angels assigned to unleash the foretold destruction....
“saying, “Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads.” And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel. . . . .After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying,“Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb.” And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God . . . .Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?” I said to him, “My lord, you know.” And he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them. They will hunger no longer, nor thirst anymore; nor will the sun beat down on them, nor any heat; for the Lamb in the center of the throne will be their shepherd, and will guide them to springs of the water of life; and God will wipe every tear from their eyes.”

There are those seen in heaven with Jesus....144,000, sealed out of the tribes of spiritual Israel. (Gal 6:16) When the Revelation was written, literal Israel had been abandoned by God (Matt 23:37-39) and replaced with a people who would obey their God and his appointed mediator. (Gal 3:28-29; 1 Tim 2:3-5)

All the first Christians were Jewish, but true to prophesy, only a “remnant” responded to Jesus and accepted him as Messiah.
Thereafter, it didn’t matter what nationality you were, as all who embraced Christ as their savior and lived according to his teachings, would be saved. So yes, the tribulation is a global event, and the manifestation of the Christ and his heavenly armies will also be witnessed globally.

So the second group who are pictured as “a great multitude” are said to “come out of the great tribulation” but not because they had to die first...these come out of that time of trouble as survivors, just as Noah survived the end of the world in his day. God told Noah how to save himself...and Christ taught us how to survive that coming tribulation......by our faithful obedience in another time of great turmoil.

Just as Noah stepped out of the ark onto a cleansed earth, so the survivors of Armageddon will also begin a new life on a cleansed earth. (Rev 21:2-4)