Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[David in NJ]

Exodus 20:8
“Remember the Sabbath day by keeping it holy."

Don't be called the least in Heaven.

“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matthew 5:17-19

Mark 2:27-28
And he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. So the Son of Man is lord even of the Sabbath.”

EXACTLY God's POV = Exodus "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy" = JESUS is the Sabbath REST of GOD

You MUST reverence the LORD Jesus Christ above all the Law, above Moses, above the Prophets above saturday.

Only the FATHER is Head of CHRIST and THEY are ONE and CHRIST is LORD over all, for all things were created by and for HIM.

For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. - Colossians 1:16

 

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EXACTLY God's POV = Exodus "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy" = JESUS is the Sabbath REST of GOD

You MUST reverence the LORD Jesus Christ above all the Law, above Moses, above the Prophets above saturday.

Only the FATHER is Head of CHRIST and THEY are ONE and CHRIST is LORD over all, for all things were created by and for HIM.

For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him. And He is before all things, and in Him all things consist. - Colossians 1:16

God made the Sabbath for man.

You don't have to agree with this.

 

[David in NJ]

God made the Sabbath for man.

YES HE DID

And now the REAL SABBATH has Come = the Only True Sabbath REST that GOD will accept unto Salvation = for man!!!

 

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YES HE DID

And now the REAL SABBATH has Come = the Only True Sabbath REST that GOD will accept unto Salvation = for man!!!

God's word doesn't say that.
And quite frankly, I'm confused as to why Sabbath observation by a Christian upsets you so much.

If you don't accept Sabbath keeping,I think that is your decision.

However,I don't think any sabbath keeping Christian is going to be condemned by God.

 

[JLB]

We do not have the authority to remove one commandment because it feels different from the others. We cannot say nine remain while one disappears. God did not give us ten suggestions. He gave a covenant.

‘Thank you for your well worded and well thought out post.


My response is not to delegitimize anything you wrote, it’s on;y to offer some scriptures and insights for you to consider.


First of all, Jesus said … If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15


I think the discussion is more about the Sabbath than the other 9, so I will address that.


having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-17


Do you know what the “it” Paul is referring to here in this passage?

 

[JLB]

God's word doesn't say that.
And quite frankly, I'm confused as to why Sabbath observation by a Christian upsets you so much.

If you don't accept Sabbath keeping,I think that is your decision.

However,I don't think any sabbath keeping Christian is going to be condemned by God.

It’s up to each person to either observe the Sabbath or not.


One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.
Romans 14:5-6

 

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‘Thank you for your well worded and well thought out post.


My response is not to delegitimize anything you wrote, it’s on;y to offer some scriptures and insights for you to consider.


First of all, Jesus said … If you love Me, keep My commandments. John 14:15


I think the discussion is more about the Sabbath than the other 9, so I will address that.


having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Having disarmed principalities and powers, He made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them in it.
So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths, which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ. Colossians 2:14-17


Do you know what the “it” Paul is referring to here in this passage?

The "it" in that part of the writing of Paul is the Cheirographon.

 

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It’s up to each person to either observe the Sabbath or not.


One person esteems one day above another; another esteems every day alike. Let each be fully convinced in his own mind. He who observes the day, observes it to the Lord; and he who does not observe the day, to the Lord he does not observe it.
Romans 14:5-6

True.
Jesus gave us the example of the spirit of the Sabbath. He worked on the Sabbath. He served God's will and showed us the strict observances enforced by the Pharisees was not part of the Sabbath.

I think it important to note the Sabbath was established before God gave his laws to Moses. Which is why I think God said,remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.

 

[Brakelite]

Let me repeat, if you had not read of biblical law you would not have believed you should observe a set Saturday sabbath would you, you would have known nothing about that law. That in itself proves, according to what Paul wrote, that law as written is not placed in the hearts and minds of believers.
You are still looking to an external written down law, that is NOT where the law now is for believers. And to be honest, the law within carries far more conviction of sin than an external law ever will, hence, people who look to an external law, do not have the consciousness of sin they should have when they transgress law/TC they insist must be obeyed.
Who contradicts their own thesis?
You say the righteous will obey the TC, but you and your denomination accept people as righteous/saved who do not and never have observed a set Saturday sabbath

Not in every case, for many throughout the world, are having dreams and visions, leading them to Christ, and many as i said above, observing the sabbath as a result. It isn't must about the law, although i know you would have it so.
Where the law is available, it will reveal to the sincere reader how to love God and neighbour. You know this, because you have the law in front of you every day. You carry it around with you everywhere you go either in book form or on your phone or tablet. This is the case for nearly everyone in the Western world, God's will and the gospel is available to all.
And let me continue even with your own argument. You say none will observe the sabbath without first reading the law....I would add that anyone reading the scriptures and relying on the texts alone, world observe the sabbath. To do otherwise would necessitate listening to people like yourself, arguing them out of it. None of the scriptures you use to defend your stance do not address the issue...are we to obey God's commandments or not?

 

[saved by grace 101]

Not in every case, for many throughout the world, are having dreams and visions, leading them to Christ, and many as i said above, observing the sabbath as a result. It isn't must about the law, although i know you would have it so.
Where the law is available, it will reveal to the sincere reader how to love God and neighbour. You know this, because you have the law in front of you every day. You carry it around with you everywhere you go either in book form or on your phone or tablet. This is the case for nearly everyone in the Western world, God's will and the gospel is available to all.
And let me continue even with your own argument. You say none will observe the sabbath without first reading the law....I would add that anyone reading the scriptures and relying on the texts alone, world observe the sabbath. To do otherwise would necessitate listening to people like yourself, arguing them out of it. None of the scriptures you use to defend your stance do not address the issue...are we to obey God's commandments or not?

‘’’’Where the law is available, it will reveal to the sincere reader how to love God and neighbour. You know this, because you have the law in front of you every day. You carry it around with you everywhere you go either in book form or on your phone or tablet.’’’’

Well thank you for confirming where your law is! You have/look to an external written down law, as do all who keep insisting you must obey the TC. Under the core terms of the new covenant, the law is not external to born again believers but internal, it is written in their minds and placed on their hearts! And I will repeat, the law within will convict you of sin to a far greater degree than any law on a tablet or in a book, which is why people who vkeep insisting you must obey the TC appear not to even know much of the time when they are transgressing them, the law in your most inward parts does not allow for that!

So you have heard of people who have never heard of anything in the bible from anyone, they accepted Christ as their saviour, then observed a set Saturday Sabbath and avoided the Levitical unclean foods? Let us stick to people with your view who we can testify concerning.

To even use the words TC is old covenant, not new, and Im afraid you have an old covenant mindset. Every born again believer instinctively knows in their mind God does not want them to steal, commit adultery, lie, take the Lord’s name in vain, covet, and every born again believer would say in their heart(the flesh is another matter) they do not want to do those things. It is part of their spiritual dna in Christ, it is in their most inward parts. Do you need anyone to say to you, you must follow your twelve times tables? What's the difference? So your question about must we obey God’s applicable laws is irrelevant. It’s a good job for you your righteousness does not hinge on obeying the TC isn’t it, for you much transgress them, something you don’t admit when you insist they must be obeyed. You may like to say you must obey the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation, christians with understanding do not, and they obey better than those who do from what I have witnessed. For the truly born again it is not a case of they must, but rather they want to.

 

[saved by grace 101]

Not in every case, for many throughout the world, are having dreams and visions, leading them to Christ, and many as i said above, observing the sabbath as a result. It isn't must about the law, although i know you would have it so.
Where the law is available, it will reveal to the sincere reader how to love God and neighbour. You know this, because you have the law in front of you every day. You carry it around with you everywhere you go either in book form or on your phone or tablet. This is the case for nearly everyone in the Western world, God's will and the gospel is available to all.
And let me continue even with your own argument. You say none will observe the sabbath without first reading the law....I would add that anyone reading the scriptures and relying on the texts alone, world observe the sabbath. To do otherwise would necessitate listening to people like yourself, arguing them out of it. None of the scriptures you use to defend your stance do not address the issue...are we to obey God's commandments or not?

IN Acts ch15 Paul and Barnabas went to Jerusalem to discuss with the leaders of the church which Jewish laws gentiles be asked to follow. Four were mentioned, three of which are widely considered to have been given to keep unity at the meeting. Avoiding the levitical unclean foods was not one of them. So, if you and your denomination were correct, the leaders of the first century church gave gentile converts a licence to sin for the whole of their lives, for years later they confirmed to Paul they were still only asking gentiles to follow the same four laws.
I think that shows, your views on applicable law, and those who think like you are not to be trusted

 

[David in NJ]

God's word doesn't say that.
And quite frankly, I'm confused as to why Sabbath observation by a Christian upsets you so much.

Placing a day of the week above CHRIST is sin = and God did Say that!!!

If you don't accept Sabbath keeping,I think that is your decision.

If a person does not keep the Sabbath Rest of GOD they cannot be Saved

However,I don't think any sabbath keeping Christian is going to be condemned by God.

A "Sabbath keeping" Christian is one who is in Christ = that is the only Way God's Sabbath Rest is kept.

 

[JLB]

The "it" in that part of the writing of Paul is the Cheirographon.

‘It refers to the embodiment of all obligation to obey the “handwriting of requirements” which is called the law of Moses.


having wiped out the handwriting of requirements that was against us, which was contrary to us. And He has taken it out of the way, having nailed it to the cross. Colossians 2:14


Something (it) was taken out of the way.

Something (it) was nailed to the cross.


The phrase “that was against us” is a quote from Deuteronomy referring the law of Moses.


“Take this Book of the Law, and put it beside the ark of the covenant of the LORD your God, that it may be there as a witness against you; Deuteronomy 31:26


It refers to the law of Moses.

 

[JLB]

True.
Jesus gave us the example of the spirit of the Sabbath. He worked on the Sabbath. He served God's will and showed us the strict observances enforced by the Pharisees was not part of the Sabbath.

‘Amen.

 

[JLB]

I think it important to note the Sabbath was established before God gave his laws to Moses. Which is why I think God said,remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy.

It depends on what we mean by holy.


Which means it depends on what God men’s by holy.


These things we are to learn directly from Him, by His Spirit, as we walk with Him.


Abraham learned this way.


Abraham learned by faith; by the Lord speaking to him and teaching him personally.

• No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me

“Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah— not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD. But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
Jeremiah 31:31-34

 

[Grailhunter]

Old Testament Laws do not apply to Christians. The moral teachings of the New Testament are not Laws. Old Testament Laws were unforgiveable. No salvation in the Old Testament.

Christian do not observe the Jewish Saturday Sabbath.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

I've said it before; you can never keep all the ten commandments yourself. They are a good example of what we can try to achieve.

In other words you "try" to not murder anybody but sometimes you just can't help yourself and you wack a brutha???

To me from scripture the new covenant was announced by Jesus at the lase supper when Jesus did and said; This is how I see it.

But, to Jesus the teachings of the New Covenant started with John the Baptist

Luke 16:16
The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

It's what Jesus says that counts not what you think as you ignore what Jesus said.

He did not say it was removed.

Saturday sabbath as practiced under the old covenant has been abolished because the Sabbath under the New Covenant has been upgraded to worshiping the Lord and abiding in the peace that He gives every day that only comes when we abide in Christ being led of the Holy Spirit.

None of the Apostles writing in the New Testament which they wrote under the leading and instructions of the Holy Spirit, give any instructions for New Covenant believers to practice Saturday sabbath and there's nothing in the New Testament condemning those who do not practice the old covenant Saturday sabbath

The fact of the matter is so called sabitatarians are a cult who are trying to live under the old covenant and are doing their best to deceived others to join them in their cult.

So your claim that those who don't observe Saturday sabbath are going to hell, which is where your discourse is heading, is false.

Now, if you are going to turn around and say those who don't observe Saturday sabbath are not going to hell then your point is moot and meaningless.

The word sabbath only occurs two times in the New Testament epistles. For the believer today, a Sabbath rest is described in Hebrews 4:9 as a moment-by-moment rest by believers in the Lord by faith. This reference contains no commandment concerning which day the church should meet for worship.

In Romans 14:4-5, each believer must be fully convinced in their own mind as to the day of worship. In Colossians 2:16 , believers are admonished not to judge one another in regard to their views on the Sabbath day. This means there is no universal command for the church today to worship on the Saturday. The early church gathered together on the first day of the week to commemorate the Lord’s resurrection Acts 20:7. The New Testament does not equate church worship and Sabbath observance.

The Sabbath was part of the Mosaic Law from which the believer was set free (Rom. 8:1-4. “Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes” (Rom. 10:4. Christ redeemed believers from the curse of the Law (Gal. 3:10-13.

Paul describes the Law as a tutor that leads us to Christ “so that we may be justified by faith” (Gal. 3:24, Rom. 3:20. In Romans 10:4, Paul wrote, “For Christ is the end [termination or conclusion] of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.”

Where in scripture does it say that all days are blessed and holy?

In Romans 14:4-5, each believer must be fully convinced in their own mind as to the day of worship. In Colossians 2:16 , believers are admonished not to judge one another in regard to their views on the Sabbath day. This means there is no universal command for the church today to worship on the Saturday. The early church gathered together on the first day of the week to commemorate the Lord’s resurrection Acts 20:7.

God made the Sabbath for man.

Yes for man to have rest.

Under the New Covenant was have a better way in Christ than the old testament people had without Christ.

 

[saved by grace 101]

In other words you "try" to not murder anybody but sometimes you just can't help yourself and you wack a brutha???

How about dwelling on impure thoughts

 

[Brakelite]

as do all who keep insisting you must obey the TC.

And here you go again with your passive aggressive war against the commandments. And too afraid to admit that obedience to all Ten Commandments must of necessity become apparent in anyone's life who submits themselves to Christ, because we are called to walk as He walked, and He kept all His Father's commandments. Keeping the commandments are inevitable for those who walk with Him.
“Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. ”
Philippians 1:11 KJV

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And it would be unthinkable to believe that obedience to the law is somehow incompatable with the fruits of righteousness as declared above. The law written on your heart must be the same law as written on stone. It is not the law's fault, or the Lawgivers fault, that when you search your heart the one commandment you reject somehow isn't there. You need to look inside yourself for the reason its missing. Nowhere else.

 

[saved by grace 101]

And here you go again with your passive aggressive war against the commandments. And too afraid to admit that obedience to all Ten Commandments must of necessity become apparent in anyone's life who submits themselves to Christ, because we are called to walk as He walked, and He kept all His Father's commandments. Keeping the commandments are inevitable for those who walk with Him.
“Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God. ”
Philippians 1:11 KJV

If obeying a set Saturday sabbath was written on your heart and mind, and the hearts of all in your denomination, why did you not believe that until you read of law written in ink