Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[saved by grace 101]

When Paul wrote about “the letter that kills” (2 Corinthians 3:6–7), he was not talking about the Ten Commandments. I

There is no watered down version of the TC in the bible, only the true version, some examples of what is required to obey the letter of it:
You must never put anything before God in your life
You must not erect any graven image in your mind
You must never look at a woman with lust in your eye(Jesus ratified the commandment)
You must never desire anything of your neighbours, whether material goods or a member of their household
You must never dwell on any impure thought.
You must never tell any even little fib about another
Thou shalt NOT, no wiggle room for error, perfectly obey that law or stand guilty before it. Hence, the letter of the TC kills

Paul gave an example of why he had to die to the law as he put it. The example given concerned law relating to the inner man, law only you and God need know you break. The example given was one of the TC

 

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EXACTLY God's POV = Exodus "Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy" = JESUS is the Sabbath REST of GOD

Except, the commandment saying,remember the Sabbath day and keep it holy, was written before the Messiah arrived on Earth.

Jesus is indeed our Sabbath rest. And it was he who also recognized Sabbath when he was here and showed what it means.

And being Sabbath is one of his commands,and those are now written on our hearts,the Sabbath still remains as God's gift.

It's odd to find those opposed to Sabbath and yet they attend church on Sundays.

 

[saved by grace 101]

In what way?

Every believer would say in their mind they know God does not want them to steal, murder, commit adultery, lie about others, take God's name in vain
I will write my laws in their minds
And every believer, I hope would say in their heart(the flesh is another matter) they do not want to do those things
And place them(my laws) in their hearts

 

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If obeying a set Saturday sabbath was written on your heart and mind, and the hearts of all in your denomination, why did you not believe that until you read of law written in ink

Why don't you have a pantheon of gods and goddesses whom you worship?

Why don't you steal? Murder? Commit adultery? Disrespect your parents? Covet your friends lives and possessions? Why don't you lie?

 

[saved by grace 101]

Why don't you have a pantheon of gods and goddesses whom you worship?

Why don't you steal? Murder? Commit adultery? Disrespect your parents? Covet your friends lives and possessions? Why don't you lie?

We could say because those examples are written in our minds and placed on our hearts

 

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We could say because those examples are written in our minds and placed on our hearts

Yes. Precisely.
So then,does it seem reasonable to think God omitted the Sabbath he made for us?

 

[saved by grace 101]

Yes. Precisely.
So then,does it seem reasonable to think God omitted the Sabbath he made for us?

Two things
Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20
If the law to follow a set saturday sabbath was placed in the hearts of believers, you would have to be conscious of sin in regard to not following it. If you were not, you could not be in a justified state before God if you think about it. If I went around committing adultery, stealing, taking the Lord's name in vain, bearing false witness, I would be conscious of sin by doing so
Paul wrote:
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind Rom14:5

I have no issue with anyone setting aside a set saturday sabbath, but they do not have the right to insist I do

 

[saved by grace 101]

Yes. Precisely.
So then,does it seem reasonable to think God omitted the Sabbath he made for us?

I use this example a lot:

God told Moses the Israelites were a stiff necked heathen people who would soon desert him when they reached the promised land. It is not surprising then they were instructed to set aside one day a week to meditate on God’s goodness and kindness to them. But they had to be instructed to do it.

Under the new covenant, our hearts have been softened, we have the indwelling Holy Spirit. We have been born again of the spirit and are new creations. Every single day born again Christians instinctively meditate on God’s kindness to them by sending His son to die for them, and every day, we are grateful for it.

The spiritual intent of the fourth commandment is upheld in Christians today seven days a week.

 

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In what way?

I think when we agree God's laws are written on our hearts that we can't then say he forgot to write the Sabbath there too.

 

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Two things
Through the law we become conscious of sin Rom3:20
If the law to follow a set saturday sabbath was placed in the hearts of believers, you would have to be conscious of sin in regard to not following it. If you were not, you could not be in a justified state before God if you think about it. If I went around committing adultery, stealing, taking the Lord's name in vain, bearing false witness, I would be conscious of sin by doing so
Paul wrote:
One person considers one day more sacred than another; another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind Rom14:5

I have no issue with anyone setting aside a set saturday sabbath, but they do not have the right to insist I do

Being justified means not being conscious of sin?

 

[saved by grace 101]

Being justified means not being conscious of sin?

Paul states in Rom2:14&15 if gentiles had never known of biblical law they can show the requirements(not some of the requirements) of the law are written in their hearts, obviously by the way they act. Who would observe a set Saturday Sabbath without knowing of biblical law?

What is in your mind you in your mind must know

The law in your heart must bring heartfelt consciousness of sin if you wilfully let’s say transgress it. You cannot hide from law in your most inward parts.

So, if people have no consciousness of sin at failing to observe a set Saturday sabbath, there are only two possibilities. Either that law as written is not placed in the hearts and minds of believers. Or, if it is, you cannot be in a saved/justified state unless you do have consciousness of sin at failing to observe a set Saturday sabbath.

That would exclude an awful lot of people from being in a saved state.

 

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Paul states in Rom2:14&15 if gentiles had never known of biblical law they can show the requirements(not some of the requirements) of the law are written in their hearts, obviously by the way they act. Who would observe a set Saturday Sabbath without knowing of biblical law?

What is in your mind you in your mind must know

The law in your heart must bring heartfelt consciousness of sin if you wilfully let’s say transgress it. You cannot hide from law in your most inward parts.

So, if people have no consciousness of sin at failing to observe a set Saturday sabbath, there are only two possibilities. Either that law as written is not placed in the hearts and minds of believers. Or, if it is, you cannot be in a saved/justified state unless you do have consciousness of sin at failing to observe a set Saturday sabbath.

That would exclude an awful lot of people from being in a saved state.

Yes,it would say so.

I see it as,the sabbath was made for us as God's gift.

When Jesus is Lord of the sabbath, then I think resting in that gift allows a person to carve out one full day to spend in service to the kingdom.

I think the position that says, sabbath keeping is elective, and yet worship God on Sunday , is a bit hard to defend.

Because,God sent himself to lead us back to him in his Salvation,wrote his laws on our hearts , and yet vacated his sabbath gift to us.Meanwhile a day of rest and worship God did not bless us with us declared OK.

 

[HealthyShape]

I think when we agree God's laws are written on our hearts that we can't then say he forgot to write the Sabbath there too.

Contemplate about this - why do you need to go to online Christian forums and to fight for Sabbath with Christians? You do not need to fight with us that it is a sin to live in adultery, to steal, to hate people etc.

Sabbath is obviously not a moral law written on the hearts of Christians. If somebody doubts if it is, it is artificial, because of people like you, not because of our natural moral compass. Somebody must plant this idea into the minds of Christians, first.

 

[saved by grace 101]

Yes,it would say so.

I see it as,the sabbath was made for us as God's gift.

When Jesus is Lord of the sabbath, then I think resting in that gift allows a person to carve out one full day to spend in service to the kingdom.

I think the position that says, sabbath keeping is elective, and yet worship God on Sunday , is a bit hard to defend.

Because,God sent himself to lead us back to him in his Salvation,wrote his laws on our hearts , and yet vacated his sabbath gift to us.Meanwhile a day of rest and worship God did not bless us with us declared OK.

It is a spiritual truth, that if obeying a set Saturday Sabbath was written in the mind and placed on the hearts of believers, you would have to be conscious of sin by failing to follow it


Would you believe anyone can be in a saved/justified state if they go around committing adultery, stealing, taking the Lord’s name in vain, lying about others without consciousness of sin by doing so?

If you would not, why would you believe anyone could be in a saved/justified state if they had no consciousness of sin at failing to observe a set Saturday sabbath if that is law written in the minds and placed on the hearts of believers?

 

[Brakelite]

Really? God's applicable laws are not arbitary, you can't pick and choose which applicable laws you follow and which laws you ignore? You can pick and choose whether you commit sin or not? Is that really your view? It is wrong anyway, years later the leaders of the church reitterated to Paul they were STILL only asking gentiles to follow the same four laws(Acts21:25) Im afraid it is an indisputable fact, if you and your denomination are correct concerning applicable law, the first century church leaders, including Peter, James and Paul gave gentile converts a licence to sin for the whole of their lives, no way around that Im afraid

Was Paul correct in following this advice?
“Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them. ”
Acts 21:26 KJV

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[HealthyShape]

Was Paul correct in following this advice?
“Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them. ”
Acts 21:26 KJV

No. His try to appease the sect of traditional Jews lead to terrible consequences and to his death. This advice was obviously neither given by God nor blessed.

And the temple had already been determined to be completely destroyed in few years, so hanging on all these Jewish habits and traditions was an obsolete mindset.

 

[saved by grace 101]

Was Paul correct in following this advice?
“Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them. ”
Acts 21:26 KJV

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I see you totally ignored what you were shown. Paul was asked to do that to persuade/placate Jews he was not opposed to the law of Moses, as Im sure you know
It remains an indisputable fact, if you and your denomination were correct, the leaders of the christian church, including Peter, James and Paul gave gentile converts a licence to sin for the whole of their lives. It doesn't matter how much you try and deflect away from it, it will always remain the truth

 

[Brakelite]

There is no watered down version of the TC in the bible,

The only watered down version of the ten commandments is the 9 commandment version you have embraced.

 

[Brakelite]

God's applicable laws are not arbitary, you can't pick and choose which applicable laws you follow

You have. You've reduced the ten commandments to 9. Do you read your own posts?

 

[Brakelite]

It remains an indisputable fact, if you and your denomination were correct, the leaders of the christian church, including Peter, James and Paul gave gentile converts a licence to sin for the whole of their lives. It doesn't matter how much you try and deflect away from it, it will always remain the truth

And that is a blatant straw man which you cannot demonstrate.

I see you totally ignored what you were shown. Paul was asked to do that to persuade/placate Jews he was not opposed to the law of Moses, as Im sure you know

Indeed he was. But while he ostensibly is upholding the law of Moses, you, who claim to follow Paul's writings, claim the sabbath as obsolete because it is a part of the law of Moses. You are all over the place and your arguments are as flat as last week's road kill. You are confused and presumptuous and still do not have the courage to state openly that you believe it not necessary to obey God. And you completely ignore posts you have no answer to.