Do the Ten Commandments still apply under the new covenant today?

[saved by grace 101]

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither knoweth him.

Do you take that literally? Are Christians sinless in their flesh?

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

One of us will, that's for sure

You conveniently disregard what the Lord says in His Word so your befuddlement is obvious and ongoing with no end in sight.

1 John 3:6
Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither knoweth him.

Yes as in chooses to not sin

1 John 3:6 is not saying it's not possible for a Christian to sin as some suppose and falsely claim.

If it were not possible for a Christian to ever sin again, then 1 John 2:1, 1 Corth 15:34, 1 John 1:9 among others would not be in God's Word at all.

Are Christians sinless in their flesh?

Are Christians unable to cease sinning by the power of the Holy Spirit?

Philippians 4:13
I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me.

 

[saved by grace 101]

You conveniently disregard what the Lord says in His Word so your befuddlement is obvious and ongoing with no end in sight.

Well as sin is the transgression of the law and I've never come across anyone who even came close to perfectly obeying it, you might sin more than you think. Of course, the bible does speak of sin in two different ways, probably good to clarify that

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Well as sin is the transgression of the law and I've never come across anyone who even came close to perfectly obeying it, you might sin more than you think.

Sounds like you're stuck in the old testament so it's no wonder you are confused.

Do you sacrifice animals to cover your sin?

Of course, the bible does speak of sin in two different ways, probably good to clarify that

And of your course don't expound upon that for some odd reason.

 

[saved by grace 101]

Sounds like you're stuck in the old testament so it's no wonder you are confused.

Do you sacrifice animals to cover your sin?




And of your course don't expound upon that for some odd reason.

Well John said:
Sin IS(not was) the transgression of the law 1John3:4
Therefore Paul wrote:
Through the law we become(not became) conscious of sin Rom3:20
Were they stuck in the old covenant too?
It needs expounding?
If you asked nearly all christians if you had to be perfect in your flesh/sinless to be saved, they would respond ''No'' for they know they are not without sin(1John1:8)
However, if you asked nearly all christians if you could be saved and live a wanton lifestyle of sin, they would also respond ''No''(1John3:9)

 

[Button]

And the LORD said to Moses, “Tell the Israelites, ‘Surely you must keep My Sabbaths, for this will be a sign between Me and you for the generations to come, so that you may know that I am the LORD who sanctifies you. Keep the Sabbath, for it is holy to you. Anyone who profanes it must surely be put to death. Whoever does any work on that day must be cut off from among his people. For six days work may be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of complete rest, holy to the LORD. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day must surely be put to death.

The Israelites must keep the Sabbath, celebrating it as a permanent covenant for the generations to come. It is a sign between Me and the Israelites forever; for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, but on the seventh day He rested and was refreshed.’”

Ah,then on your philosophy only the Israelites were saved. Because when God birthed a new covenant it was solely for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.


I still can't find the passage where God said Gentiles day of rest made by God for them is on Sunday .

I'll keep looking.

 

[Button]

Do you take that literally? Are Christians sinless in their flesh?

You should know that answer as one.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Well John said:
Sin IS(not was) the transgression of the law 1John3:4
Therefore Paul wrote:
Through the law we become(not became) conscious of sin Rom3:20
Were they stuck in the old covenant too?
It needs expounding?
If you asked nearly all christians if you had to be perfect in your flesh/sinless to be saved, they would respond ''No'' for they know they are not without sin(1John1:8)
However, if you asked nearly all christians if you could be saved and live a wanton lifestyle of sin, they would also respond ''No''(1John3:9)

So which law are you following?

The levitical law under the old testament?

Or the Law of Christ under the New Testament???

 

[rockytopva]

Letting the words sink in... Stuck in the Old Testament... And along with the Apostle Paul I must cry...Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.- 2 Corinthians 9:15

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Letting the words sink in... Stuck in the Old Testament... And along with the Apostle Paul I must cry...Thanks be unto God for his unspeakable gift.- 2 Corinthians 9:15

So which law are you following?

The levitical law under the old testament?

Or the Law of Christ under the New Testament???

A lot of people talking about "the law" but they don't know which law they are following.

 

[saved by grace 101]

So which law are you following?

The levitical law under the old testament?

Or the Law of Christ under the New Testament???

You don't follow after the law, you follow after the Spirit

 

[David in NJ]

Ah,then on your philosophy only the Israelites were saved.

i do not have or entertain 'philosophy'.

Because when God birthed a new covenant it was solely for the lost sheep of the house of Israel.

YES, but not according to your understanding.

I still can't find the passage where God said Gentiles day of rest made by God for them is on Sunday .

None exist.

I'll keep looking.

Don't waste your time for none exist.

 

[Button]

i do not have or entertain 'philosophy'.


YES, but not according to your understanding.


None exist.


Don't waste your time for none exist.

Thank you.
You just made my point and refuted your own.

 

[David in NJ]

Thank you.
You just made my point and refuted your own.

That NEVER happened = but believe as you wish..................

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

The problem with this statement is that it abandons what Jesus actually taught. Jesus never said the Ten Commandments “kill” anyone or that obedience to God’s law is impossible for His followers. In fact, He said the opposite: “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15), showing that obedience is the proof of true love and relationship with Him.

He also said, “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven” (Matthew 7:21). Salvation is not simply a feeling, a title, or a faith without works—it is living according to God’s will.

The Ten Commandments are God’s standard of righteousness. Jesus said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to destroy, but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17). He fulfilled what was required, but He did not remove the moral law. Claiming that the law “kills” believers is misleading because Jesus Himself teaches that obedience, guided by His Spirit, is the path to life, not death. The Ten Commandments are not a tool of condemnation for the saved; they are the very measure of righteousness Jesus calls us to follow. Saying otherwise ignores His clear teaching.

When Paul wrote about “the letter that kills” (2 Corinthians 3:6–7), he was not talking about the Ten Commandments. If he had meant the Ten Commandments, then he would have contradicted Jesus, who said, “Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to destroy, but to fulfill” (Matthew 5:17), and “If you love Me, keep My commandments” (John 14:15).

The “letter that kills” refers to the ceremonial or written ordinances under Moses that pointed to Christ, such as sacrifices, feast laws, and ritual observances, not God’s moral commandments. These were shadows pointing to the real substance—Jesus Himself (Colossians 2:17, Hebrews 10:1). Jesus never abolished the Ten Commandments; He kept them perfectly and taught His followers to obey them.

So unless someone believes Jesus was wrong, it is clear that Paul could not have been condemning the Ten Commandments when he wrote about the “letter that kills.” It was the ceremonial law, which pointed forward to Christ, that ended.

By your claim of a so called Ceremonial law ? you mean The Schoolmaster in regards the OT Law. as this was in regards to help bring Gods people to The One Holy Moses said would come ! Jesus the Christ is Salvation ! That being fulfilled becomes Grace ! and It's Grace that is above the Law ! for the Law was changed ? as in the OT had no Grace that abound ! so where Grace abounds their is Salvation.

Their is no Grace in the OT Law ! it's to bring one and all who served into line in regards God ! untill The one came = Salvation through Grace in Christ Jesus.
The NT is the blueprint of the OT !
The worthy Jews of God became Christians for they were Saved ! The First Christians in fact !

I would not get into Saturday or Sunday for Such was made for Man ! for as when one becomes as myself it's everyday regardless.

Anyone who is not a born again Christian is not truly worthy of God in fact ! for they are clearly Lost ! for they are under the curse of that Jesus said of this world, is full of deceptions and delusions ! That's a Key point !
Sure water baptism and this is for entering the Church for forgivness of ones Sin ! so as to help strengthen one, until the hope in that the gravity of such a maturity sets in ?

 

[David in NJ]

By your claim of a so called Ceremonial law ? you mean The Schoolmaster in regards the OT Law. as this was in regards to help bring Gods people to The One Holy Moses said would come ! Jesus the Christ is Salvation ! That being fulfilled becomes Grace ! and It's Grace that is above the Law ! for the Law was changed ? as in the OT had no Grace that abound ! so where Grace abounds their is Salvation.

Their is no Grace in the OT Law ! it's to bring one and all who served into line in regards God ! untill The one came = Salvation through Grace in Christ Jesus.
The NT is the blueprint of the OT !
The worthy Jews of God became Christians for they were Saved ! The First Christians in fact !

I would not get into Saturday or Sunday for Such was made for Man ! for as when one becomes as myself it's everyday regardless.

Anyone who is not a born again Christian is not truly worthy of God in fact ! for they are clearly Lost ! for they are under the curse of that Jesus said of this world, is full of deceptions and delusions ! That's a Key point !
Sure water baptism and this is for entering the Church for forgivness of ones Sin ! so as to help strengthen one, until the hope in that the gravity of such a maturity sets in ?

Correct = no grace under the Law

Yet there is grace with God in the OT when men believed God's Word.
If there were not, no one could of been Saved.
God's grace was bestowed upon Abram when he believed the Word of God.

The animal sacrifices speak of CHRIST offering Himself as the ONE Sacrifice = the Lamb which takes away the sins of the world.

However, the OT sacrifices could never take away sins as they are animal blood and must be repeated throughout the year and renewed each year.

This is why the Bible Says = "The Grace that is to Come" which is CHRIST

John ch1
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.
John bore witness of Him and cried out, saying, “This was He of whom I said, ‘He who comes after me is preferred before me, for He was before me.’ ”
And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I am a Theologian and a historian, you have to be both to understand the scriptures or people will make the same mistake you have.....You have to keep things in perspective of time periods and the sequence of events. Yeshua was still observing the Law and the Sabbath because they were still in the Old Covenant during His ministry.

The Jewish-Christians were still observing the Law and worshipping in the Temple. They did not recognize the changes to the New Covenant. So Yeshua instructed Paul and sent him on a ministry. You notice they do not say anything against polygamy and concubinage. They died out around the end of the 1st century....No Apostles were added after they died out.

The Gentile-Christians were not allowed in the Temple and did not observe the Sabbath or the Mosaic Laws and soon started to worship on Sunday the day that Yeshua resurrected instead of the Jewish Saturday Sabbath. They discontinued polygamy and concubinage. And we eventually stopped slavery and we are working on making females equal members in Christianity and allowing them to preach.

Slavery is always abound in fact ! for where their is Sin one is a Slave to such in fact !

One can not get rid of Slavery, such is as gravity !

I remember being a Slave to my Trade ! and treated as a Slave indeed ! very much so a Slave. being a Contractor and sub contracting to others or just working for people who owend the home etc.
Some people are very cunning indeed ! for they clearly wish to undermine others, that's the nature of Carnal fools in fact.
I found that out to be totaly true !
Such as They had totaly no regards for me at all in fact, that was clear. especially from Builders ! as all that they did was try to destroy you.

In regards Builders Never once was thank you for your service and glad to pay up ! but always run and hide from paying like a pathetic low life mongrel dog.
I would ask Builders to do the right thing it their work was clearly not up to scratch ? you may as well go talk to a brick wall ! for all you got was total pathetic hostillity for pointing such out !

See the bubble in the level ? it's clearly their for a reason in fact, why is it that you can not be bothered to use such ! oh or the fall is going the wrong way as well fool ! a 5yo could work such out ! but what do I get for pointing out the obvious, nothing but abuse.

Clearly they wish for only a Slave !
I should punch such a one in the face, for it's clearly out righ disrespect and clearly them wanten to be a total moron.

I see Socialism is the Path of Total morons who are so stuck up, they think it's freedom but such is clearly Slavery, because it's the workings of Mans works !
No one is equal in fact ! but where Grace abounds so is God !
I can clearly say where on has not Grace in fact. that one is not worthy because clearly such a one is a Slave to this world ! That is full of delusions and deceptions !
For such as they clearly totaly love the darkness, for they fear the Light in fact ! they do not like being exposed ! It's a True Fact !

I can clearly show one is totaly wrong, saying Look ! a sows ear ? and expect me to make such into silk ! Never Oh you are correct thank you to point such out, I will expect more of who did such or he is faceing the sack ! No ! it's me who is abused for calling such shoddy work out !
All that Builders do is Lie 24/7 !
Same as with in Governments for if they told the truth, they clearly would not last long in fact ! The Hospitals the same Doctors ! so do not rock the boat or it's you who will cop it ! being piggy in the middle. Police the same deal they have to cover up things so as to make the State Government look good, not the truth !
One place I know has all of the cop cars kicked in etc etc for years and It never gets in the News ! it's all hidden ! some gets out due to some killings but not rape ! hell no !

 

[Brakelite]

Im afraid it is crystal clear from 2Cor3:6-9 which law Paul is referring to, and you are only the second person I have come across who doesn't believe it, after a catholic on this website. And I think he changed his mind once given the evidence:

the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.

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7 Now if the ministry that brought death, WHICH WAS ENGRAVED IN LETTERS ON STONE, came with glory, so that the Israelites could not look steadily at the face of Moses because of its glory, transitory though it was, 8 will not the ministry of the Spirit be even more glorious? 9 If the ministry that brought condemnation was glorious, how much more glorious is the ministry that brings righteousness! 2Cor3:6-9

Im afraid I cannot continue this with you, as you refuse to accept what is so very plainly stated. In my view, you should accept what Paul plainly wrote, seek understanding of why he wrote it, and then bring it into cohesion with verses you quote.
I will give you an example. What is written in the TC does not have to be destroyed in order for them to cease being the letter that kills, the ministry of death and condemnation. So Paul's words are in line with Jesus words, if we discern the two. Study John16:9 and it should become a little clearer

If the letter kills and condemns at all, it kills and condemns those who refuse to obey that letter. Obedience does not bring death.

 

[Brakelite]

You only follow a set Saturday sabbath because your law is carried around in a phone or tablet as you testified to.

What i testified to was your personal position of having no excuse for disobedience to God's commandments, seeing they are written in scripture and you carry them around with you everywhere you go.

So why accept people as Christians who do not follow the letter of the fourth one?

If obedience to all the commandments was the standard by which we judge another's profession of faith, none of us would pass muster. We have all sinned. The question is not, are you obeying all God's commandments, but do you want to? If you do, I can show you what they are.

You only believe you should obey the fourth commandment as written because you read of law written in ink, that isn’t where the law now is for the believer! If that law had been written in your heart by the Spirit you would have known that without having to firstly read of law written in ink.

As I've said previously, the law hasn't changed. Only where it is. Jesus testified Himself, I haven't come to change the law. In fact, so long as there are stars in the sky and there's ground underneath your feet, the law won't change. Whatever was written, stays written, where ever it is written.

Paul tells us we either follow after the law or the Holy Spirit in Rom7:6. I have told you before, you backed the wrong horse so speak

Prove the Holy Spirit changed the law.

which I why I imagine I could go to a church on a Saturday and be literally shocked and stunned to see people laughing and joking as they transgressed the TC they insisted must be obeyed. I immediatley felt uneasy in that church.

Nonsense. You felt uneasy because of something you imagined? Previously you stated this as a fact, that you witnessed sin in a sabbath keeping church in person. Now i don't believe you.

I immediatley felt uneasy in that church.

Either you imagined it, or not. Your story is inconsistent.

Under the new covenant, it is a case of, you WANT in your heart to obey, see the difference?

And you don't want to. I get it.

And I repeat, because you judge justification according to obedience to the letter

No. The Bible says clearly and succinctly that justification is by faith, and any and all obedience is a fruit or result of that transaction. Obedience becomes inevitable for those who receive Christ's righteousness.

Jesus said, if you love Me, keep My commandments. I thank God for His holy Spirit that established a relationship with us whereby we can know God and His Son, and hear His voice teaching us the way to life. The first reference to that way is the Lord Himself. His example and His teachings. The holy Spirit reminds us of scripture, and constantly reminds us that God's word represents His will for man, and His word never changes. God Himself never changes. That's why we can trust Him. We can know that the Holy Spirit will never lie to us. The Holy Spirit will never... ever... contradict what is written. Never.
So. When I hear the voice of God whispering in my ear not to go to the left or to the right but remain on the straight path, but I'm that path I can expect to meet obstacles and distractions, and many discordant voices saying go this way or go that way, i will revert to what Peter described as the "sure word of prophecy", for I will not abandon ....

“16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works. ”
2 Timothy 3:16-17 KJV

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In favor of a spirit that teaches contrary to scripture, and placing itself as an authority above the word of God.

 

[Button]

That NEVER happened = but believe as you wish..................

I shall.