"Before Abraham Was, I AM"

[saved by grace 101]

Why yet another truth .
YET STILL you follow that ecumeincism . talk about hyprocrisy my friend .
Do not think i am have to condemn anyone
I do as i do f or the people . NOW GET THEM and YOURSELF out of anything
attached to in any way ecumenicism and its intefaith interrelgious dialgoue .

Hes stepped outside of his comfort zone, Mary, Baptism and purgatory

 

[amigo de christo]

Hes stepped outside of his comfort zone, Mary, Baptism and purgatory

You want to know what else i am noticing about catholics and protestants
THEY are abandoning their own beleifs . WHICH SOME of that is good , HOWEVER
they are also abandon ing and have left THE VERY TRUTH ITSELF .
That is why the realms are more and more beginning to sound more and more alike .
AND yet being led farther and father INTO DARKNESS .
SOON the only doctrine that will ma tter is THIS FALSE LOVE UNITY JUNK , THIS FALSE LOVE GOD stuff .
And you just wait and see how they treat
those WHO DID NOT CONFORM to their god and its version of what it called love . PS , that god is the dragon .
THIS people is being heavily decieved with a delusion , the likes of which i have never seen in all my days .
THIS ONE is not a divider of the false BUT A UNIFYER OF THE FALSE , to make them all as one peoples
with one mind and one common love that all reglions will beleive IS OF GOD .
THIS IS A VERY S TRONG delusion and its taking the false religoins to its love
as well as The world and much of christendom . THEY GONNA MERGE my friend and come
FULL FORCE against all who did not . THIS IS THE PEAKING of it all my friend . THE HOUR IS LATE indeed .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Talk about hyprocrisy . look at the truth you just wrote concering what peter had wrote .
YET YOU SUPPORT that anti christ ecumencism
WHICH DARN sure DID NOT POINT them false religions TO CHRIST
but rather told them HOW FINE and GOOD they are and they too are coming to the same GOD WE DO .
FRIEND if you gonna speak some truth , YOU BETTER KNOW THE TRUTH .
because many folks can lip t ruths , and STILL NOT KNOW THE TRUTH at all .
Get away from anything ecumenical . ITS INTERRELGIOUS dialgoue is OF ANTI CHRIST .

Why yet another truth .
YET STILL you follow that ecumeincism . talk about hyprocrisy my friend .
Do not think i am have to condemn anyone
I do as i do f or the people . NOW GET THEM and YOURSELF out of anything
attached to in any way ecumenicism and its intefaith interrelgious dialgoue .

HUH??
Who said anything about ecumenism??

What color is the sky in your bizarre little world?

 

[BreadOfLife]

You don't depend on the law for salvation but salvation is obtained by faith, baptism and obeying the TC
So, my brothers and sisters, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit for God. 5 For when we were in the realm of the flesh,[a] the sinful passions aroused by the law were at work in us, so that we bore fruit for death. 6 But now, by dying to what once bound us, we have been released from the law so that we serve in the new way of the Spirit, and not in the old way of the written code.
What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet.

Like I said before – it’s like talking to a wall . . .
You don’t understand what faith is, so your confusion about the “spirit of the Law” persists.

As for Baptism – the Scriptures ensure us that it is not just a suggestion – but a necessity (Mark 16:16, John 3:5, Acts 2:38).

 

[BreadOfLife]

Justification is instantaneous at conversion(or baptism to you) the justification Paul is writing about clearly takes time to achieve, what justification is he writing about?

Why does he ask the question:

Doesn’t that mean that Christ promotes sin?

And what does he mean when he states:

Absolutely not! 18 If I rebuild what I destroyed, then I really would be a lawbreaker

Absolutely NOT.

Christ is our refuge when we stumble. He doesn’t promote sinning – He gives us a way out when we struggle.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Best not to quote John17:20-23 concerning the above, it does not relate to it!

Translation:
“I can’t argue with that conclusion . . .”

 

[saved by grace 101]

Absolutely NOT.

Christ is our refuge when we stumble. He doesn’t promote sinning – He gives us a way out when we struggle.

I see you had no answer to the three questions asked concerning the passage. Could you not find any catholic document where you could get the answers from?

 

[saved by grace 101]

Like I said before – it’s like talking to a wall . . .
You don’t understand what faith is, so your confusion about the “spirit of the Law” persists.

Well at least I understood Paul was referring to the TC in 2Cor3:6-9, not the mosaic law, I cannot imagine how anyone could get that wrong. Maybe you're not getting the right teaching?
Good deflection BTW, from what was written

 

[Aunty Jane]

Guess what , SO DID the so called beloved leader of the JW camp .

Sorry Amigo, we don’t have a beloved human leader...we follow the lead of the one who guides us as his “people”...Jehovah...”the only true God” who sent his son to pay a ransom for us. (John 17:2)

Jehovah has set his son in his place as King of his Kingdom, (Daniel 7:13-14) in order to deliver a faithful people at the end of these “last days”.... and it is he alone that we serve. Genuine Christians are a collective who have heeded the warning in Rev 18:4-5 to remove themselves from “Babylon the great”.

In order to obey that command, we first have to know who or what “Babylon the great” is.

Jesus also said that at the time of his return he would appoint “a faithful and wise slave” who was to “feed” his entire household their “food at the proper time”. Who are they Amigo? And who are the household that they are to “feed” when it is the right time to do so? (Matt 24:45)

In his parable of the talents, upon his return the master commended his slaves for their efforts to expand his wealth. For Jesus, his wealth was his disciples....they did as they were instructed and took their message out to the people, bringing in more disciples. They will hear...”well done good and faithful servant”....

Will we be among them?

HE too saw deadly errors in the churches
but man did he mess things up himself .
Just cause a broke clock is right twice a day dont mean it is ever once to be trusted .
So marvel not if the false churches can have some very accurate doctrines in SOME areas
and YET be totally decieved and even void of TRUTH itself .

Examining the Bible carefully is what JW’s do....it’s why we walked away from Christendom as we evaluated all their doctrines in the light of the Scriptures, which you say you have also done....and yet you cling to Catholic teachings like they cannot possibly be wrong. How come? Does the harlot offer you something attractive that you cannot put down? Everything she touches is filthy in God’s eyes.

The big three...what I call ‘satan’s trinity’....are, belief that God is more than one person.....belief in an immortal soul that can be tortured after death...and a hell of fiery torment that last forever without parole.

None of these were taught in the Scriptures that Jesus used....because he was Jewish, not Catholic.

GOD kept me safe my friend . HE put me into one book an ed that book alone did i read and have i read
daily every day since .

Did he? Or are you yourself suffering under your own delusion? If you found those three teachings in that “one book” then you too have swallowed satan’s lies. None of them are there the way Christendom interprets them.

if you think the JW camp is not already to some d egree infected with this ecumenicism unity
Your wrong . It just came presented to them , as it did to all denominations

Think back to the first century Amigo....didn’t Jesus gather his disciples into one collective? They met in different places, often in private homes, but all carried one title...”Christians” and they all taught the same truth, with no divisions, and as you have already stated....if there were problems that were creating divisions, they were sorted and sometimes it meant excommunication for the trouble makers. In order to carry out their responsibilities to keep the congregations unified and spiritually clean, Elders were appointed as overseers. These are the ones Paul referred to in Heb 13:17. Who are they for you Amigo?

So the model was set a very long time ago. Christianity is now a global body, separated from Christendom in this “time of the end”....and actively preaching Christ’s message as one unified body “in all the inhabited earth” (Matt 24:14) Jesus said he would back this work. (Matt 28:19-20)

in the way that a jw will relate to and not SEE it as BEING ECUMENICSIM per say .

Don’t conflate “unity” with “ecumenism”....they are poles apart.
All of Christ’s disciples have to be in unity, based on love for God...for his son.....and each other....as it is an identifying mark for them...divisions and dissension cause disharmony, which is why Paul stressed unity and love. (1 Cor 1:10; 1 Cor 13:1-3) Satan’s crowd cannot achieve it.

John 10:34-35...Jesus said...
“A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another.” (NASB)

 

[Aunty Jane]

THEY do have you all . I BEEN watching . Maybe not as badly as some others
BUT soon all will merge under the love god , who is not LOVE or GOD .

No way that will ever happen.....love must dominate Christ’s disciples who must all agree with no divisions among them.
Just as in the first century, Christians are a collective, but satan being the deceiver that he is, will make sure that his counterfeit “weeds” are everywhere....and Christ’s true disciples will look like the fakes.

I heard it illustrated this way...
“How would you hide a 50ft tree out in the middle of a cleared field?

The answers is, you can’t...but if you had time up your sleeve, you could plant a whole forest of similar looking trees all around it, and after sufficient time, all the trees would look virtually the same so that it would be extremely difficult to identify the original tree.”

This is what satan has done....he has planted his “weeds” everywhere, but these “weeds” have done exactly what the first century Pharisees did....any who disagreed with them were hated, ostracised, ridiculed and silenced. (John 15:18-21)

My advice , Stop trusting in vaticans , popes , OR IN YOUR CASE WATCHTOWER . That is how one is fleeced .

Just to be clear...the Watchtower is a Bible Society that prints and distributes Bible based literature. It is a legal entity required by law to do so in large quantities. We are not the Watchtower....we are Jehovah’s Witnesses just as Jesus was. (Rev 3:14) and as Israel was supposed to be. (Isa 43:10)

 

[Aunty Jane]

The word Became FLESH . let us not kid ourselves and use partail truths to promote a lie .
For no man can deny the fact

Indeed no man can rewrite Scripture and this is an unequivocal statement...but who was “the Word” who “became flesh”?....John 1:1 says that he was “with God” (“ho theos” or Jehovah) and that he was “theos” (a divine one)
With no capital letters in Greek and leaving out that little word “ho”, Christendom turned Jesus into God with a capital “G”.....

So reading a biased translation has led you to a wrong conclusion. The second “theos” in that verse is not Jehovah. God has a son who was “with” him from his “beginning”.
He is “the firstborn of ALL creation”. (Col 1:15) The only direct creation of his Father, who is also his God. (Rev 3:12)

IT IS written And the word was GOD and the word Became flesh .
Any more than can they deny TO GOD ALONE belonged the title I AM the FIRST and the last .

Titles are a trap....because God and his son can both carry the same titles....”savior”, as well as “first and last”...”alpha and omega”....but understanding what those titles mean in truth will show you that you hold Christendom’s version of many things, whilst telling us to steer clear of them.

My advice remains as it has
since the day i first appeared on even websites long ago . GET I NTHAT BIBLE
and SEE what god or GOD , what christ or CHRIST on e has been serving all along . cause many serve
the angel of darkn ess who has brought them to what it c alls light , what it calls love . And it be none other than
the dragon .

The fact that we got into the Bible so thoroughly is the reason for our complete separation from Christendom...you have not cut all the ties that still bind you. So even though your efforts are sincere, you remain blind to the foundation that Christendom created to keep humanity in bondage to its false teachings. You till embrace the big three.

i suggest WE READ HIS WORDS and start believing HIM
and not rather m en in wool who use HIS NAME and yet lead this people to the second d eath .

I suggest the same to you...you still hold to the teachings of the “men in wool”....but in order to understand the second death...you have to understand the first one. Death is the end or cessation of life, not a continuation of it somewhere else. Once you understand what “resurrection” is, and why Jesus demonstrated it, you will see that resurrection is a restoration of life...read the account of his friend Lazarus and ask where Lazarus was before Jesus called him back to this life. (John 11:11-14) Where did Jesus say he was?

You think you see where we are, but you don’t really see where you are in the big picture.

There is no doubting your sincerity, but you cannot see the shackles that still bind you.
I urge you to break them, like you did with the other false teachings...it’s not too late.

 

[Hiddenthings]

Faith is not blind.....it is spiritual sight. And it is not of our own, but of the Holy Spirit.

Seeing and appreciating what God has created/creates can cause the heart to open up and seek Him, but faith still must come from Him, true..?...not from what He has created.

All things whether spiritual or natural proceed from Logos - even the Messiah.

 

[Hiddenthings]

As the bible says, the saints of old all died in faith, not having received the promises. They did not "see" the promises fulfilled to the end of their natural lives, yet continued to believe. Their faith was the evidence and substance of what they did not yet see but hoped for.

Correct, which is why the resurrection will be such a remarkable event. Abraham and David, who shared the same faith though they lived in different ages, will be raised to behold generations they never knew.

 

[amigo de christo]

HUH??
Who said anything about ecumenism??

What color is the sky in your bizarre little world?

My friend you glued to the RCC and we both know it .
THUS you glued to ecumencialism .
but i will ask anyway .
What do you think of this ecumencism . what says you about it . Speak freely and honestly .

 

[amigo de christo]

Correct, which is why the resurrection will be such a remarkable event. Abraham and David, who shared the same faith though they lived in different ages, will be raised to behold generations they never knew.

The ressurection of the just will be a very remarkable and lovely event all right . THOSE GLUED TO JESUS will shine forth
in the new heavens and the new earth .
But unto all who denied him , the ressurection of the unjust , OH much wailing will be heard by those .
SO its high time we preach the one true gospel and abandon all hope of anything ecumenical intefaith .
cause that one is GOING DOWN on the DAY OF THE LORD .

 

[Hiddenthings]

The ressurection of the just will be a very remarkable and lovely event all right . THOSE GLUED TO JESUS will shine forth
in the new heavens and the new earth .
But unto all who denied him , the ressurection of the unjust , OH much wailing will be heard by those .
SO its high time we preach the one true gospel and abandon all hope of anything ecumenical intefaith .
cause that one is GOING DOWN on the DAY OF THE LORD .

The Catholic Church has been quietly working behind the scenes for decades to counter the effects of the Reformation, hoping to bring her “daughters” back into the fold. The 16th to 18th centuries, the Enlightenment period were about more than science and reason; they also saw the revival of the original gospel. While a faithful minority had preserved its truth through the ages, it was during this period of reformation that the gospel truly flourished. Today, however, we find ourselves in a post-Christian world.

 

[BreadOfLife]

I see you had no answer to the three questions asked concerning the passage. Could you not find any catholic document where you could get the answers from?

It’s not that.

It’s that no matter how many times I repeatedly explain the SAME thing too you – you’re just as confused as if I never said a word. In short – you don’t listen . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well at least I understood Paul was referring to the TC in 2Cor3:6-9, not the mosaic law, I cannot imagine how anyone could get that wrong. Maybe you're not getting the right teaching?
Good deflection BTW, from what was written

It’s amazing how many times something can be explained to you – and you STILL don’t get it.
Oh, well . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

My friend you glued to the RCC and we both know it .
THUS you glued to ecumencialism .
but i will ask anyway .
What do you think of this ecumencism . what says you about it . Speak freely and honestly .

I agree that we should have dialogue with everybody. We shouldn’t be at war with other religions. Dialogue is how we come to understand each other better. YOUR brand of hatred doesn’t help anybody.

I don’t believe that we should adopt the beliefs of others – and neither does the Catholic Church.

 

[saved by grace 101]

It’s not that.

It’s that no matter how many times I repeatedly explain the SAME thing too you – you’re just as confused as if I never said a word. In short – you don’t listen . . .

Great deflection, but that was a slightly different subject(only slightly)
You say Im confused, however, I cant help wondering if you are deflecting again from not being able to answer the questions. Is there no catholic document that can help you here?