Spiritual Israelite
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As rwb has been telling you, you have been influenced by some of the dispensationalist teaching about the 70 weeks. Daniel 9:24 says that 70 weeks were determined to accomplish six things. That means a 70 week (490 year) time period was determined when that prophecy would be fulfilled. Which means that from the beginning of the prophecy to the end would cover 70 weeks (490 years). But, you don't have the prophecy as being fulfilled yet around 2,500 years after the 70 weeks began or around 2,000 years after its deadline for being fulfilled. That contradicts what is written in Daniel 9:24.I agree that salvation has always been by grace through faith and that God’s true people are the remnant. Where I see Paul’s “and so all Israel will be saved” (Rom 11:26) is in the Revelation moment when God lifts the partial hardening and meets Israel as He met Saul—by a sovereign, Damascus-road disclosure of the Pierced One (Zech 12:10; Rom 11:25–27). Revelation pictures exactly this: a sealed Jewish remnant, numbered 144,000, set apart to carry “the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus” (Rev 7; 14). Their ministry unfolds across the same three-and-a-half-year window that keeps surfacing. That window is not random; it completes what remained when Messiah was “cut off” in the middle of the final week—at 486½ years. Everything Daniel 9:24 required was accomplished at the first coming, but the Jubilee clock—the fourth and final Great Jubilee cycle—paused at the cross with three and a half years unexpressed through Israel’s corporate witness. When the “times of the Gentiles” are fulfilled (Luke 21:24), God awakens Israel to her own Messiah so that a recognizable company from Israel proclaims Him to the nations with apostolic clarity—just as Paul did after his encounter.
This witness does not create violence; it exposes counterfeit gospels and provokes backlash from the powers that be—especially the little-horn system long claiming to define and preach their very own and very different gospel. Revelation already shows how faithful testimony draws the dragon’s rage (Rev 12:17) and the beast’s war on the saints (Rev 13:7), while Daniel foresaw a period when “the power of the holy people” is pressed to the breaking point (Dan 12:7). So the upheaval comes not because the 144,000 are violent, but because truth spoken in the open collides with deception and corruption of His true Gospel that has been with us for the past 1,500 years. It doesn’t mean every Jew without exception; Revelation’s numbering makes that plain. It does mean a visible turning that joins the ongoing remnant—what I hear in Paul’s “partial… until… and so” language tied to Jacob (Rom 11:25–27). When these verses are read together, Daniel’s near restoration after Babylon set the stage on time; Messiah arrived on time; and the final three-and-a-half years of Israel’s Spirit-empowered witness will conclude on time—bringing the Jubilee story to its completion and the King in His time. This isn’t a second people or a second salvation; it is God finishing the same salvation in the same Messiah—first through the Gentile fullness, then through a Jewish awakening He Himself initiates—until He says “enough,” brings the shattering to its end (Dan 12:7), and completes what He began.
The Israel of which all are and will be saved is not the nation of Israel. It is spiritual Israel. In Romans 11:26, Paul was referring back to spiritual Israel that he had previously mentioned. For God to go out of His way to ensure the salvation of an entire nation would mean He showed partiality and was a respecter of persons, but scripture says He does not show partiality in relation to salvation and is not a respecter of persons.
How do you interpret this passage...
Romans 9:6 It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7 Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, “It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.” 8 In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring.
What is your understanding of the identity of the Israel of which not all who are physically descended from the nation of Israel are part?



