"TIME NO LONGER" (Revelation 10:6)

[ScottA]

LOL. I don't even know what you're saying most of the time because you either refuse to be clear or are unable to be clear, so how can I do that?

Incline yourself for hearing what the Spirit says.

The lessons of biblical history show a resistance to listening and hearing from God, and a pattern of much rejection. You don't need to do likewise.

 

[ScottA]

Wow. You are completely delusional. You don't speak for God. No one who butches passages like 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 the way you do can claim to be speaking for God or that God is speaking through them.


A question isn't an answer.


Answer my question about 2 Thessalonians 2:11 first. I will not let you avoid answering my question while demanding that I answer your question before you answer mine. You are very seriously delusional if you think I'm going to do that. Answer my question first since I asked my question first or we're done.

I will say it again: This is how this is done.

My answer to you in the form of a question--as Jesus often did--was me giving you more than you asked for--because your question did not adequately address the subject matter. It was me being kind to you, even while you continue to accuse and slander me.

 

[ScottA]

LOL. What does this mean? Are you for real? Is being clear just something you purposely try to avoid? What was your point in saying this? Only those who are not saved will experience weeping and gnashing of teeth. Are you applying that to me or not? If not, why did you post it?

Did you think these were idle words? Do you consider yourself better than a son of the kingdom--to whom those words were first spoken?

But he who did not know, yet committed things deserving of stripes, shall be beaten with few. For everyone to whom much is given, from him much will be required; and to whom much has been committed, of him they will ask the more. Luke 12:48​

 

[ScottA]

This is a forum where people talk to each other. This is not a place where you are assigned to be the one who God speaks through to everyone. The intention of a forum is that people discuss things together and give their understanding of things to each other. No one appointed you as the chosen one to speak for God on this forum.

And this is a forum rule--that the Spirit is not allowed?

 

[ScottA]

Are you seriously asking me this when you butcher passages like 1 Corinthians 15:22-23 so badly? You are the one without knowledge of what is written.

As you say--that is only your understanding.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Incline yourself for hearing what the Spirit says.

I do. That's what you need to start doing.

 

[ScottA]

ANOTHER EXAMPLE of "Time No Longer"...is "the day of the Lord" (Zechariah 14:1 among others).

Just reconcile "I am...the Beginning and the End" (Revelation 1, 21, and 22) with "the day of the Lord"...and what day is rightfully to be called His day?

We live in our times just as all have since Adam--and therefore we think of everything that way. But what of Christ who "is the same yesterday, today, and forever?" What reasonable, not self-centered person would only look at Christ in the same way that we experience life in our own day or lifetime? Why would anyone look at "the day of the Lord" passages in scripture as being one day by our own definition--or even as limited to one of our typical lifetimes? Is that all there is to Christ? Whoa! Talk about putting God in a box--my goodness--are we really that foolish with our interpretations of scripture?

We are? Well--most certainly are. Unfortunately.

And yet there is indeed more to most passages of scripture--if we are willing, if we can receive it.

 

[Gottservant]

I think the inversion of what people expect is that, time does not end by running out - time ends by there being an abundance of time.

In other words, people coming to the faith, are people coming to have so much patience, that time ceases to be relevant.

Revelation 10:6 is highlighting that how much time people have, is not just in the hands of God, but everyone will believe together that it is in the hands of God.

 

[ScottA]

I think the inversion of what people expect is that, time does not end by running out - time ends by there being an abundance of time.

In other words, people coming to the faith, are people coming to have so much patience, that time ceases to be relevant.

Revelation 10:6 is highlighting that how much time people have, is not just in the hands of God, but everyone will believe together that it is in the hands of God.

The understanding of Time, is first to understand that it like this world which is passing away, is but a temporary measure created that will dissolve just as the elements will.

"Time no longer" (Revelation 10:6) then--as it actually comes before the end of time according to the scriptures, is therefore not the end--but is rather the cypher and the means by which "the mystery of God" is "finished" just before the end when "the seventh angel...is about to sound", as stated immediately following in verse 7. That's what it says.

Removing Time from all scripture is the revealing of "all truth" (John 16:13).

 

[Gottservant]

The understanding of Time, is first to understand that it like this world which is passing away, is but a temporary measure [...]

The measure you mention, is still dependent on their being "time" to use it. That is, when it seems like there is "time" to measure some things but not other things, time does not appear to have come to an end - but when there is "time" to measure all things and still more time the notion of measuring time has come to an end.

So it is that when there is time, no matter how much time there is: time will end.

We are not called to spend time with God, but to contemplate God, while there is still time.

 

[ScottA]

The measure you mention, is still dependent on their being "time" to use it. That is, when it seems like there is "time" to measure some things but not other things, time does not appear to have come to an end - but when there is "time" to measure all things and still more time the notion of measuring time has come to an end.

So it is that when there is time, no matter how much time there is: time will end.

We are not called to spend time with God, but to contemplate God, while there is still time.

There is distinction between time and eternity yet to be known by men still living in this world. Jesus referred to such a distinction, saying, "Which is greater?" In other words, which is greater, what we know of this world or what we do not know that is of God? Surely, that which is of God rather than this world is greater...and what good is it if we return to wallow in those things we know just because we know them?

Likewise, Paul at what should be understood as the beginning of coming to know the things of God and eternity better, referred to such distinctive differences also, saying "do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." Without which one dies not knowing anything more, only to awaken to knowing all that was missed, but also knowing they could have done more to helped or served in the greater cause of God, if they had only "pressed on."

So no, the measure of the things of this world are indeed dependent on time, but eternity is not. To the contrary, in this world we have the "shadow of turning"--which includes darkness (evil)--which heaven and eternity are not dependent on. Only evil is dependent on such. But we shall walk forevermore in the light with "no shadow of turning"--meaning no time.

As for the "measure" of things, the measure is there (in eternity) but darkness (the cause of time) is not. What then is the "measure?" It is the measure of event alone. And this is the key and the cypher--the guiding unto "all truth"--beginning with the scriptures, as from "another Helper": the Holy Spirit. Which is to say, there is a translation of scripture according to the terms of this world, but another according to God and his eternity.

I have given examples. An easy one is the existence of God, which by the terms of this world is "the same yesterday, today, and forever", but by the [timeless] terms of eternity--God's own terms, is "I AM." And so it begins.

 

[lforrest]

God may be outside of time, but is this the mystery of God? I'm expecting something more profound, something also beneficial to humanity.

Like Jesus serving as the vessel to reconcile the world back to himself. He serves this role in the past, present and future. The past, because Satan was cast out from heaven. The present, because the kingdom of heaven is near. And the future, because he is coming back to judge.

 

[Angelina]

God may be outside of time, but is this the mystery of God? I'm expecting something more profound, something also beneficial to humanity.

Like Jesus serving as the vessel to reconcile the world back to himself. He serves this role in the past, present and future. The past, because Satan was cast out from heaven. The present, because the kingdom of heaven is near. And the future, because he is coming back to judge.

I love that @lforrest, I truly do.

 

[ScottA]

God may be outside of time, but is this the mystery of God? I'm expecting something more profound, something also beneficial to humanity.

Like Jesus serving as the vessel to reconcile the world back to himself. He serves this role in the past, present and future. The past, because Satan was cast out from heaven. The present, because the kingdom of heaven is near. And the future, because he is coming back to judge.

From our current perspective it would seem so.

However, what is profound is that perspective is only true in the telling of it--in the revealing of it--like the words of a book written before and only just now read. What is profound is that just as both "yesterday, today, and forever" and "I am", though one involves time while the other does not, is true of God, it is also true of us.

We "were."

Just as "the Lamb was slain before the foundation of the world" and then made manifest in the fullness and in the midst of time, so were we who--"were" (or "I am" in past tense according to Paul) crucified with Christ--also slain with Him before the foundation of the world and only now made manifest--or as Paul stated, "but each one in his own order."

Was Jesus without a body before the world began? No, and in His revealing--we too are revealed--every part and every stone.

But the end of time is not an "all stop." Not at all. The only thing that comes to a complete stop is evil--that time and "shadow of turning" of darkness. In fact, God in describing all of time, refers to it all as a mere "half an hour of silence in heaven." Which does indeed refer to the length as being very little by measure, but more importantly it refers to time as being divided ("half"), which is the dividing of light from the darkness--divided as in two, as separated. But also by contrast, that while all the time in the world is small by measure, eternity is immense, unlimited, and more than good--but perfect and holy.

Such is the mystery of God.

 

[Gottservant]

There is distinction between time and eternity yet to be known by men still living in this world. Jesus referred to such a distinction, saying, "Which is greater?"

[...]

I have given examples. An easy one is the existence of God, which by the terms of this world is "the same yesterday, today, and forever", but by the [timeless] terms of eternity--God's own terms, is "I AM." And so it begins.

I will explain it again, from a different perspective: when there is so much time you can't even measure it, in Heaven, time has come to an end in Heaven - this is "loosing" time in Heaven; when there is so much time you can't even measure it, on Earth, time has come to an end on Earth - this is "loosing" time on Earth. The question is not "how much time do we need, before time ends?" but "when will there be so much time, that how much time there is ceases to matter?"

You can take time away from the end of time, but you can never put it back.

 

[ScottA]

I will explain it again, from a different perspective: when there is so much time you can't even measure it, in Heaven, time has come to an end in Heaven - this is "loosing" time in Heaven; when there is so much time you can't even measure it, on Earth, time has come to an end on Earth - this is "loosing" time on Earth. The question is not "how much time do we need, before time ends?" but "when will there be so much time, that how much time there is ceases to matter?"

You can take time away from the end of time, but you can never put it back.

I do understand what you are saying. However, that is not really how it works.

Time was created in the same creation of the elements of the earth, and when this [old] earth ends so does time. It is a miracle of God, the dividing of eternity into the increments we know as time. With that dividing--which was for dividing "the light from the darkness"--came the "shadow of turning" of this earth...which is to say: Time.

Contrary to all that, in eternity (the realm of God)--as it is written--there is "no variation or shadow of turning", thus, no Time (James James 1:17).

But the topic of the thread is not about time or the end of time in this world--but the end of time in interpreting the scriptures. Which are given in time-terms, but not about this world per se, but are about "Thy kingdom come on earth as it is in heaven"--a kingdom "not of this world" and thus not including time. Which, yes, for we time-bound creatures is a hard saying to follow...but aren't they all (hard to follow)?

A transition or transformation is coming. Thus, as Paul resorted to say "do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind." That transformation is that we stop thinking in terms of this world while looking forward to His kingdom come. Which is the greater--the One true--interpretation of scripture, and the fulfillment of "that there should be delay no longer, but in the days of the sounding of the seventh angel, when he is about to sound, the mystery of God would be finished, as He declared to His servants the prophets" (Revelation 10:6-7).

And how that is done? --Well...that is what I have been explaining.