Maybe I Am Not Understanding the Post Tribulation Rapture. - Can You Help?

[rebuilder 454]

I don't care to hear your long speeches for rejecting that Christ's Church is involved in the events of Rev.12; particularly once the dragon and serpent is booted out of the heavenly dimension down into our earthly dimension at the end of this present world.

Lord Jesus was clear in His Olivet discourse that His coming to gather His saints will be after... the tribulation. That is written, and no one can change it. You can listen to those charlatans who think they can change that, but you will suffer in the coming storm at the end when God washes their false wall of untempered mortar and brings it down when they see Christ coming in the clouds, and He finds out they had fallen away to worship the "another Jesus" (2 Cor.11).

You claim others do not have spiritual insight and then you go on personal attacks. I guess to minimize your opponent.
And then you can't even read Matthew 24. Where it says that angels are gathering, not Jesus, and those are angels are gathering in heaven, not the Earth, ( ahem...your theory can not possibly be the rapture of the church), and that is after the tribulation.
But no postrib, including yourself, has ever kept reading, because Jesus compares his coming as before the flood with normal life. Normal activities, planning for the future, and marriage.
And so that is exactly opposite of the setting of your man-made theory of some post tribulation rapture with half the earth destroyed , half the population is destroyed, and there's no Christians buying and selling anything, because they've all been murdered by the Antichrist for not accepting the mark.

Are you actually unaware that there's no buying and selling without the mark??
that is just basic escatology 101

 

[The Light]

As any... honest person can easily see The Light's 'intentional' rejection... of the Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 Scripture by Lord Jesus Christ, that is because of one of the following possibilities...

1. The Light is determined to put Faith in man's false doctrine of a Pre-trib Rapture which goes directly opposite of what Jesus said there that His coming to gather His saints will be AFTER... the tribulation.

2. Or The Light has 'another spirit' that he/she is listening to, and that spirit is not from God.

3. Or The Light is a disguised Unbeliever come here to spread confusion and lies among the body of Christ.

Okay, Einstein. Please explain, as you surely don't understand Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27.

If Jesus comes only one time as you claim and it is immediately after the tribulation doesn't that mean Armageddon is already over in your timeline. If Jesus comes only once immediately after the tribulation when does Armageddon happen? Wouldn't Jesus have to show up for Armageddon for the tribulation to be over in your timeline. Then Jesus would return after that with His angels to gather the elect. That is when all the world sees the Son of Man. So that would be two comings. Please explain genius.

It's getting close to time to Run Davy Run, as you always do because you will be unable to answer my questions coherently. What about it. Is it time to RUN DAVY RUN, or can you explain your beliefs.

 

[ewq1938]

Okay, Einstein. Please explain, as you surely don't understand Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27.

If Jesus comes only one time as you claim and it is immediately after the tribulation doesn't that mean Armageddon is already over in your timeline.

Post Trib is Tribulation, second coming and resurrection and rapture, then descending from the clouds to fight at Armageddon, then satan imprisoned, then Millennium, satan released and then GWTJ and LOf then eternity.

 

[The Light]

Post Trib is Tribulation, second coming and resurrection and rapture, then descending from the clouds to fight at Armageddon, then satan imprisoned, then Millennium, satan released and then GETJ and LOf then eternity.

How is the tribulation over before Jesus comes? Wouldn't Jesus have to come to end the tribulation?

 

[ewq1938]

How is the tribulation over before Jesus comes? Wouldn't Jesus have to come to end the tribulation?

It ends before he is seen.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

 

[The Light]

It ends before he is seen.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

You have to skip the trumpets and vials to make this work. Pretend they are not there and then you have a problem with the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

You claim others do not have spiritual insight and then you go on personal attacks. I guess to minimize your opponent.
And then you can't even read Matthew 24. Where it says that angels are gathering, not Jesus, and those are angels are gathering in heaven, not the Earth,

I guess you can't even read Mark 13 where it says that angels will gather the elect not just from the uttermost part of heaven, but from the uttermost part of the earth as well.

Mark 13:26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.

The elect gathered from heaven are the souls of the dead in Christ that Paul said would be with Jesus when He comes (1 Thess 4:14). Those gathered from the earth will be those who are alive and remain until the second coming of Christ along with the resurrected dead in Christ (1 Thess 4:16-17).

 

[The Light]

The elect gathered from heaven are the souls of the dead in Christ that Paul said would be with Jesus when He comes (1 Thess 4:14).

The elect gathered from heaven will be the Church who are the first fold.

Those gathered from the earth will be those who are alive and remain until the second coming of Christ along with the resurrected dead in Christ (1 Thess 4:16-17).

Those gathered from the earth will be mostly of the 12 tribes, the seed of the woman. The 144,000 are the first fruits of this harvest which will occur at the 6th seal and is seen here.

Revelation 14
14 And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.

15 And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.

16 And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.

17 And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

 

[ewq1938]

You have to skip the trumpets and vials to make this work. Pretend they are not there and then you have a problem with the 7th trumpet and the 7th vial.

Make what work? I only quoted the scriptures that say he is seen after the trib is over.

 

[The Light]

Make what work? I only quoted the scriptures that say he is seen after the trib is over.

Make what work? I only quoted the scriptures that say he is seen after the trib is over.

From what I see you are skipping all those first 6 trumpets and vials of wrath. Your timeline only works because you skip things because you do not understand where they go.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

The elect gathered from heaven will be the Church who are the first fold.

Do you not believe that the souls of the elect dead in Christ will be gathered in heaven when Jesus comes to meet us "in the air"?

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

Who do you think "those who sleep in Jesus" that will be with Him when He comes to meet us "in the air"?

Those gathered from the earth will be mostly of the 12 tribes, the seed of the woman. The 144,000 are the first fruits of this harvest which will occur at the 6th seal and is seen here.

You don't think that those in the church who are alive and remain when Jesus comes will be gathered? I'm sure you do, so I don't know why you wouldn't understand that they are the elect that will be gathered from the earth.

 

[The Light]

Do you not believe that the souls of the elect dead in Christ will be gathered in heaven when Jesus comes to meet us "in the air"?

The souls will be brought when Jesus comes for the dead in Christ.

1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.

Who do you think "those who sleep in Jesus" that will be with Him when He comes to meet us "in the air"?

I think that when Jesus returns for the alive that remain, He will bring the dead in Christ with Him who will already have new bodies.

You don't think that those in the church who are alive and remain when Jesus comes will be gathered? I'm sure you do, so I don't know why you wouldn't understand that they are the elect that will be gathered from the earth.

If I'm not mistaken you think that this event occurs at the end of the trumpets and vials............or depending on your understanding, at least at the end of the vials. (If I am wrong about this clue me in)

I think that Jesus comes for the dead in Christ before the seals are opened. Additionally, I think He returns for the alive that remained before the seals are opened.

The gathering from heaven and earth occurs at the 6th seal as it is marked by the signs of the sun, moon and stars. This is when the Church is gathered from heaven and those of the 12 tribes across the earth that become Christians after the fullness of the Gentiles comes in are gathered from the earth.

I think you think that this occurs at the last trumpet or vial.

 

[ewq1938]

From what I see you are skipping all those first 6 trumpets and vials of wrath.

Nothing is skipped. The trumpets sound in order, the 6th is the trib, the 7th is when Christ returns and the resurrection and rapture happen, and all the vials are poured.

 

[The Light]

Nothing is skipped. The trumpets sound in order, the 6th is the trib, the 7th is when Christ returns and the resurrection and rapture happen, and all the vials are poured.

What causes the tribulation to be over?

 

[ewq1938]

What causes the tribulation to be over?

Time. It has a time limit. In more technical thought the rapture happens immediately after that time expires so you cannot persecute someone who isn't there anymore.

 

[rebuilder 454]

It ends before he is seen.

Mat 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

He is seen in Rev 14:14.
....which is DURING the trib.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Time. It has a time limit. In more technical thought the rapture happens immediately after that time expires so you cannot persecute someone who isn't there anymore.

There is no verse that says that.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Spiritual Israelite said:.
""1 Thessalonians 4:14 For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who sleep in Jesus.
Who do you think "those who sleep in Jesus" that will be with Him when He comes to meet us "in the air"?""

The Light answers;
""I think that when Jesus returns for the alive that remain, He will bring the dead in Christ with Him who will already have new bodies.""

Actually it is very plain.
There are millions of saints in heaven right now.
At the pretrib rapture, Jesus brings those saints with no physical bodies with Him .
They are joined with their resurrected bodies.

That's what is about to happen.

 

[The Light]

Time. It has a time limit. In more technical thought the rapture happens immediately after that time expires so you cannot persecute someone who isn't there anymore.

The problem with your point of view is that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal and the 6th trumpet occurs in the wrath of God.

 

[ewq1938]

The problem with your point of view is that the tribulation is over at the 6th seal and the 6th trumpet occurs in the wrath of God.

Still, in Post trib the trib is not over in any seal. It happens in the 6th trump and is over when the 7th sounds.