Let's examine Revelation 20:4 yet again.

[David in NJ]

we might be getting that down here in texas . Ol texas
sure knows extremes . One hundred and ten plus in the summer
and sometimes zero degrees in winter . No wonder i thought perth , freemantle australia
looked so much like texas when i was over there many years ago . THEY know extremes as well .

My body cannot take High Heat like that in Texas.

i run inside when it gets above 85 = unless i am swimming in a lake or ocean, then i like 90

 

[amigo de christo]

Freezing rain is the MOST dangerous weather.

Yes my friend . when i lived briefly in pennsylvania i had no problem driving on the snow .
BUT cant no one drive on that black ice . Its like a frozen river of death . That is why i got extra water
and Lord willing , tommorrow o few days of food . SO as i do not have to get out on them icy roads , if we get that .

 

[amigo de christo]

My body cannot take High Heat like that in Texas.

i run inside when it gets above 85 = unless i am swimming in a lake or ocean, then i like 90

Me neither . I can do better in the cold . The heat knocks me down .
Guess its time for me and my sister to move up to ol david in NJ .

 

[David in NJ]

I don't believe these are still good shibboleths. Evil ones are more likely to object to the law.

Interesting

 

[David in NJ]

Yes my friend . when i lived briefly in pennsylvania i had no problem driving on the snow .
BUT cant no one drive on that black ice . Its like a frozen river of death . That is why i got extra water
and Lord willing , tommorrow o few days of food . SO as i do not have to get out on them icy roads , if we get that .

YEP, always prepare BEFORE it hits

 

[amigo de christo]

My body cannot take High Heat like that in Texas.

i run inside when it gets above 85 = unless i am swimming in a lake or ocean, then i like 90

Guess you all are gonna have to build a tiny shack on your property for your ol brother .
cause these summers are nasty hot . And in the summer
i cannot use but only one window unit at a time due to the electricity situation .
SO the house stays pretty hot . between 82 to 87 . hard to sleep sometimes .

 

[amigo de christo]

YEP, always prepare BEFORE it hits

PRAISE GOD FOR JESUS THE CHRIST. cause the sheep are prepared BEFORE THE BIG DAY HITS TOO .
We wont go under HIS wrath .
But we are gonna soon face greater persecutions my friend . To the trenches and let the g lorious LORD be praised .

 

[David in NJ]

Guess you all are gonna have to build a tiny shack on your property for your ol brother .
cause these summers are nasty hot . And in the summer
i cannot use but only one window unit at a time due to the electricity situation .
SO the house stays pretty hot . between 82 to 87 . hard to sleep sometimes .

My body generates a lot of heat when i work.

A few years back it was 85 to 95 for a whole month.
At the end of the day i had to go to the nearby lake and swim down to the bottom where the water is cool just to be able to go home and sleep.

Yeah, i KNOW what that misery feels like my Brother

 

[David in NJ]

PRAISE GOD FOR JESUS THE CHRIST. cause the sheep are prepared BEFORE THE BIG DAY HITS TOO .
We wont go under HIS wrath .
But we are gonna soon face greater persecutions my friend . To the trenches and let the g lorious LORD be praised .

GLAD you picked UP on that........

 

[David in NJ]

Gotta go walked the new puppy and get some nourishment for my body.

 

[Zao is life]

Apparently Jesus said, "The one who believes in him and holds Saturday as the sabbath rest is not condemned. The one who does not believe and does not hold Saturday sabbath has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God and does not hold Saturday sabbath."

Did JESUS say this???

If you believe HE did, please post the scripture = Thank You

Of course not. I believe what Jesus said, and what is written - in the context of me speaking about SDA doctrine - which is why I quoted what Jesus said above what I wrote when I said "Apparently Jesus said ..". My posts shows that I believe only what Jesus said - which is what is written:

John 3
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him.
18 WHOSOEVER believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
19 Now this is the basis for judging: that the light has come into the world and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil.

 

[Marvelloustime]

PRAISE GOD FOR JESUS THE CHRIST. cause the sheep are prepared BEFORE THE BIG DAY HITS TOO .
We wont go under HIS wrath .
But we are gonna soon face greater persecutions my friend . To the trenches and let the g lorious LORD be praised .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

something very sad my friend .
Have you noticed that when JESUS said before abraham was I AM
how quickly some of them jews were to pick up stones to cast at him .
TODAY when the sheep remind THE CHURCH That JESUS IS THE I AM
they too are ready to cast stones at us for blasphemy . AINT that something my friend .
Sad days indeed .

@amigo de christo

 

[Marvelloustime]

You sure can .
So long as we realize UNBELIEVERS do not overcome .
SO then what overcomes the world , OUR FAITH .
HE that BELIEVES that JESUS IS TEH CHRIST , the SON OF GOD .
SO dont expect to see budda or his followers , muhammed or his followers or any other false religoin
or ecumenicism who LIED TO THEM ALL , OVERCOMING anything . THEIR end be the second death .
SO lets get busy warning this people and pointing ONLY TO JESUS THE CHRIST and all biblical doctrine
by which the BELIEVER shall grow by his or her faith IN CHRIST JESUS .

@amigo de christo

 

[David in NJ]

@amigo de christo
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THREE Great Scriptures in a Row - Awesome

 

[David in NJ]

Of course not. I believe what Jesus said, and what is written - in the context of me speaking about SDA doctrine - which is why I quoted what Jesus said above what I wrote when I said "Apparently Jesus said ..". My posts shows that I believe only what Jesus said - which is what is written:

John 3
17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world should be saved through him.
18 WHOSOEVER believes in him is not condemned. The one who does not believe has been condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the one and only Son of God.
19 Now this is the basis for judging: that the light has come into the world and people loved the darkness rather than the light, because their deeds were evil.

Good Morning
Yes, i noticed "apparently" but must make sure from you so that i do not assume incorrectly - thank you

 

[Marvelloustime]

The main glue IN this fallin away IS the ecumeical movement . IT has come to merge the decieved
to be as one . And beleive me when i say IT AINT UNDER GOD . though they surely cliam it is .
These people are doing away with even THE GOSPEL ITSELF NOW
for a big ol fat broad path love and sin accepting lie of unbelif .
For more info , TRY looking at what these leaders told the false relgioins and christendom on stage
for all to see.
TALK about ANTI CHRIST . bud they wrapped up in this st uff too and its only getting worse all the time .

@amigo de christo

 

[Lizbeth]

Why not? The bible tells us Christ returns and then a rule over the nations happens so why question that?



That is a false belief. The world is not going "up in smoke" at the second coming and no passage ever says so. All second coming passages have ZERO killing by fire, and the Earth and heavens not burnt as well. That happens far after the second coming.



Also false. Once Christ returns our forever home is Earth. On the old Earth for a short while, then upon the new Earth for eternity.

Premil point of view has to twist/wrest 2 Peter 3 to make it fit that theory. And it has to talk itself out of common sense. In 2 Peter 3 the days of Noah (flood/wrath) are explicitly set forth as an example of how it will be at the coming of Christ, just as Jesus also said His coming would be "as the days of Noah". First the preaching/witnessing that Noah was doing, and then wrath/judgment came. How was it in general in the days of Noah....were they idyllic years or was there so much sin/iniquity that God regretted creating man? Which of course was the reason for the wrath/flood being poured out. upon the earth. Why would the Lord burn up the earth at the end of a thousand idyllic years of His rule? He only judges in full blown wrath to destroy once transgression has come to the full....as Daniel mentions, and like it was when He used Israel to destroy the Canaanites and told them to wait until their iniquity was fully ripe (words to that effect)....filling up the cup of His wrath, as Mystery Babylon is another example of this pattern.

 

[Lizbeth]

Please repeat the question as i want to make 100% certain - ty

From post 832 on p. 42 where I asked ewq1938 about it:


Just think and consider (with fresh objective eyes and putting Rev aside for a moment), in 2 Peter 3, what need have we to look for and haste unto the coming of a future day of God a thousand years after we've already gone to be with the Lord? And why would we need to heed what manner of persons we ought to be if the world burns up a thousand years after we have died and been resurrected or raptured to be with the Lord? Are we being told to heed what manner of persons ought we to be after we've gone to be with the Lord, or in this life and this age now?

2Pe 3:10-12

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Are we being told to mind what manner of persons we ought to be during the alleged future idyllic thousand year reign? It doesn't make sense brother, when we will be "perfected" at His coming.

And please read what I just posted to ewq1938 this morning about the days of Noah being set forth in 2Peter 3 as an example. pg. 47, post 938. How was it in the days of Noah immediately preceding the wrath/judgment/flood? Idyllic or the opposite of idyllic? Are the days of Noah preceding the flood an example or picture of a future 1000 year reign of Christ, or is it an example of the days we are in now, which are waxing worse as we speak and filling up the cup of wrath?

 

[Davidpt]

Premil point of view has to twist/wrest 2 Peter 3 to make it fit that theory. And it has to talk itself out of common sense. In 2 Peter 3 the days of Noah (flood/wrath) are explicitly set forth as an example of how it will be at the coming of Christ, just as Jesus also said His coming would be "as the days of Noah". First the preaching/witnessing that Noah was doing, and then wrath/judgment came. How was it in general in the days of Noah....were they idyllic years or was there so much sin/iniquity that God regretted creating man? Which of course was the reason for the wrath/flood being poured out. upon the earth. Why would the Lord burn up the earth at the end of a thousand idyllic years of His rule? He only judges in full blown wrath to destroy once transgression has come to the full....as Daniel mentions, and like it was when He used Israel to destroy the Canaanites and told them to wait until their iniquity was fully ripe (words to that effect)....filling up the cup of His wrath, as Mystery Babylon is another example of this pattern.

First of all the world is not going to literally burn up to begin with, nor is the universe going to explode. Second of all, not all Premils agree 2 Peter 3:10-12 is meaning some 1K years after Christ has returned. I certainly don't agree with that. IOW, the same day of the Lord and the timing of it meant in 1 Thessalonians 5:2 is the same one meant in 2 Peter 3:10-12.

Not even these same Premils think 1 Thessalonians 5:2 is meaning some 1K years after Christ has returned. And that they should keep in mind that it is absurd that the DOTL comes as a thief in the night 2 different times separated by 1K years. Total nonsense that the DOTL and it's timing in 1 Thessalonians 5:2 is not the same DOTL and it's timing in 2 Peter 3:10-12.

And besides, we end up with even more nonsense, that once Christ returns that this does not begin equaling this at the time---wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Are these Premils in question seriously going to have us believe there will be zero righteousness dwelling upon the earth once Christ returns? Especially the fact the beast and fp would be in the LOF and satan would be in the pit, per the Preml reading of things. And that Christ and His resurrected saints would be governing the entire planet? But that doesn't equal wherein dwelleth righteousness?

And guess what? You can't have a place wherein dwelleth righteousness without this--new heavens and a new earth

Therefore, even though I'm Premil, my position is that the NHNE are ushered in at the beginning of the millennium that follows Christ's return, and that the millennium is the 1st 1K years of the everlasting NHNE. Either that or Amil is the correct position not Premil. Except there is no way I think Amil is the correct position, nor do I think it is reasonable to place 2 Peter 3:10-12 some 1K years after 1 Thessalonians 5:2 is meaning. What's left then as an option if not what I proposed? Is there a 4th option, or maybe even a 5th option? So on and so on.

These same Premils make the exact same mistake Pretribbers do, except these Premils, a lot of them are post trib. Just like Pretribbers do, where they instist the DOTL and the timing of it in 1 Thessalonians 5:2 is meaning at the beginning of great tribulation, thus does not equal the DOTL and the timing of the one meant in 2 Peter 3:10-12, these other Premils are doing something just as absurd. Where I already explained that earlier.

Revelation 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready .

Revelation 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband

2 questions need to be asked here. Because, obviously, if wedding imagery is being used, it has to match what a literal wedding in the real world might look like.

1) What does it mean when a wife has made herself ready?

2) Once a wife has made herself ready, when is she then adorned for her husband?

In the real world pertaining to a wedding, is there a huge gap between 1) and 2)? Like maybe years or even decades? That years or decades later after one's wife has made herself ready, she is then adorned for her husband? BTW, I'm not asking these things because I don't know the answers. I'm asking these things that these other Premils should be asking themselves, and then being intellectually honest and not prideful instead, by then admitting that maybe they have a few things amiss here. A few things that are not adding up.