Can One Be Christian and Not Believe In The Trinity?

[Beebster]

I don't believe you mean John 14:12
This is why scripture should be POSTED
but, alas, people think others will do their work for them.

Yes I fat fingered that. Right verse wrong cite.
John 14:20
Thank you for the correction.

There are 2 Gods in the OT.

How would YOU explain that since you believe there is only one God? (and rightly so).

God is not a personal name. There are many gods in the OT.

What you really want to know is how can I call Jesus God and his Father God without believing in the trinity or a binity.

God the Father is the one and only supreme eternal God.
God the Father created his son.
That is the first thing he did.

And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God; (Rev 3:14)

Now you can search the scripture and find out just how many witnesses, how many times Christ tells you he is THE BEGINNING.

The Father started with Christ, the beginning, and from there:

Who (Christ) is the image of the invisible God (the Father), the firstborn (Christ) of every creature:
For by him (Christ) were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him (Christ), and for him (Christ):
And he (Christ - the beginning) is before all things, and by him (Christ) all things consist.
And he (Christ) is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning (Christ), the firstborn from the dead (Christ); that in all things he (Christ) might have the preeminence. (Col 1:15-18)

That's right the Father made sure Christ has preeminance; he is THE FIRST.

Does that creation exclude the Father? Of course not.

1Co 8:6 But to us there is but one God, THE FATHER, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

All things, including Jesus Christ and humanity are OF THE FATHER.
And all things are BY (through) JESUS CHRIST.

That is how we can say they are both the creator.
No need to make up a binity or a trinity.

Everything Christ has, was GIVEN to him by his Father:

The Father loveth the Son, and hath GIVEN all things into his hand. (John 3:35)

Jesus Christ is not God because he always was.
He is God because his Father gave him Godship.

For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; (Col 1:19)

All fullness. Everthing, including fatherhood, divinity and every title God the Father carries.

And then:

Then cometh the end, when he (Christ) shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he (Christ) shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. (1 Cor 15:24)

 

[Grailhunter]

They said there was one God because there is only one God, as God stated in the OT and Jesus also stated. The apostles were simply repeating the biblical truths they were taught in the Tanakh and by Jesus himself.

Yahweh and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit....LOL...Which one is the one God.
Find the 3 in 1 scriptures.
The Roman Catholic Church made their doctrines superior to scriptures. You just fell for it.

 

[Justified]

They said there is only one God who made everything, but there are other supernatural entities which are by our perspective gods.

No. There is only one true, living God and who is worthy of worship. There are no other supernatural entities that would be considered gods.

 

[Justified]

um, Zeus, Appollo, Athena, Dionysus etc.

Which have zero relevance to this discussion about Scripture, truth, and reality.

It means there is a geometric form.

Okay. So I don’t know what your point is.

 

[Justified]

Yahweh and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit....LOL...Which one is the one God.

They all are. Once again you’re arguing against a straw man. You simply don’t understand the doctrine.

Find the 3 in 1 scriptures.
The Roman Catholic Church made their doctrines superior to scriptures. You just fell for it.

It’s a basic deduction based on all that Scripture reveals, as I have stated repeatedly.

 

[MonoBiblical]

No. There is only one true, living God and who is worthy of worship. There are no other supernatural entities that would be considered gods.

The definition of a god is that something is supernatural. There are other supernaturals and i.e. gods.

 

[Justified]

The definition of a god is that something is supernatural. There are other supernaturals and i.e. gods.

No, that is a much too loose definition. You’re sticking with Scripture.

 

[MonoBiblical]

Which have zero relevance to this discussion about Scripture, truth, and reality.


Okay. So I don’t know what your point is.

Paul and Barnabas were thought to be Zeus and Hermes. The pagan mind was suggestable as to think God could be human in form.

 

[Justified]

Paul and Barnabas were thought to be Zeus and Hermes. The pagan mind was suggestable as to think God could be human in form.

Again, myth nothing to do with this discussion.

 

[MonoBiblical]

No, that is a much too loose definition. You’re sticking with Scripture.

I did. Theoi is the Greek plural of theos. It means Gods.

 

[Beebster]

Exactly. She is stuck in Circular Reasoning.

Correct. Just like all squares are rectangles but not all rectangles are squares.

Triangles.

 

[Wrangler]

No, it doesn’t—that is circular.

It’s not circular because it’s not an argument but a definition. A person is a being. A being is a person. They are synonyms. Look it up.

 

[Wrangler]

the godhead.

There is no godhead is Scripture. Translations that invoke it are in error. Look it up.

 

[Justified]

I did. Theoi is the Greek plural of theos. It means Gods.

Yes, but, again, biblically speaking, there is only one true, living God.

 

[Wrangler]

Yes, but, again, biblically speaking, there is only one true, living God.

By definition, one is not 3.

 

[Justified]

It’s not circular because it’s not an argument but a definition. A person is a being. A being is a person. They are synonyms. Look it up.

You said in response to me that, “Sure it necessarily follows as person is a synonym for being, including human being and supreme being.” That is an argument.

Once again, “person” was used as the closest approximation for human understanding of God’s revelation of himself. Also, again, words used of God and of Jesus don’t necessarily have the same meaning as when applied to humans. You’re erroneously applying a definition to God that only aplies to humans.

There is no godhead is Scripture. Translations that invoke it are in error. Look it up.

Yes, I know, but you still knew what I was talking about.

 

[Justified]

By definition, one is not 3.

The ever present anti-Trinitarian straw man. Do any of you actually know the doctrine?

 

[Grailhunter]

They all are. Once again you’re arguing against a straw man. You simply don’t understand the doctrine.


It’s a basic deduction based on all that Scripture reveals, as I have stated repeatedly.

If the 3 in 1 formula for the Trinity was biblical you could provide scripture defining the 3 in 1 formula for the Trinity....Of course you cannot find the word Trinity because it is not there.

Doctrines are defined by men, the scriptures by Yahweh and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit...I will go with scriptures

 

[Grailhunter]

Yes, but, again, biblically speaking, there is only one true, living God.

Biblically LOL
The McKenzie Bible Dictionary explains it this way.... “The Trinity of God is defined by the Church as the belief that in God there are three persons who subsist in one nature. The belief as so defined was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly or formally a biblical belief.” Which hold true to the fact that the word Trinity does not occur in the Holy Bible.

 

[Justified]

If the 3 in 1 formula for the Trinity was biblical you could provide scripture defining the 3 in 1 formula for the Trinity....

Yet again, it is deduced from the entire biblical revelation. Is there a reason you keep repeating the same, tired arguments that have been dealt with numerous times?

You don’t even seem to understand that you’re partway there, since you believe in the deity and distinctness of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. You err by making them separate gods, when the Bible soundly refutes such an idea.

Of course you cannot find the word Trinity because it is not there.

That the word isn’t in the Bible is not at all relevant.

Doctrines are defined by men, the scriptures by Yahweh and Yeshua and the Holy Spirit...I will go with scriptures

Except that you don’t, since you believe in three gods.

Biblically LOL
The McKenzie Bible Dictionary explains it this way.... “The Trinity of God is defined by the Church as the belief that in God there are three persons who subsist in one nature. The belief as so defined was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly or formally a biblical belief.” Which hold true to the fact that the word Trinity does not occur in the Holy Bible.

Again, nothing at all relevant. It strongly appears that you’re deflecting to keep from answering to Scripture:

Isa 43:10 "You are my witnesses," declares the LORD, "and my servant whom I have chosen, that you may know and believe me and understand that I am he. Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me.

Jesus affirms it:

Mar 12:29 "The most important one," answered Jesus, "is this: 'Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one.
...
Mar 12:32 And the scribe said to him, “You are right, Teacher. You have truly said that he is one, and there is no other besides him.
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Mar 12:34 And when Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, “You are not far from the kingdom of God.” And after that no one dared to ask him any more questions.

Paul affirms it:

1Co 8:4 Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that “an idol has no real existence,” and that “there is no God but one.”
1Co 8:5 For although there may be so-called godsin heaven or on earth—as indeed there are many “gods” and many “lords”—
1Co 8:6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist.

Eph 4:6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

1Ti 2:5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,

James affirms it:

Jas 2:19 You believe that God is one; you do well. Even the demons believe—and shudder!

Jude affirms it:

Jud 1:25 to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

Note especially Isa. 43:10. There was and is only one true God. You say there are three, against all biblical evidence.