THE CHURCH WILL NOT GO THROUGH THE TRIBULATION ACCORDING TO DANIEL

[Doug]

[Daniel 9:24 KJV] "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.".........490 years are determined upon Israel.

[Daniel 9:25 KJV] "Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."
[Daniel 9:26 KJV] "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.".........After 483 years Jesus would be put to death.

[Daniel 9:27 KJV] "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."........There are 7 years left to be fulfilled. In the middle of the 7 years there will be the great tribulation. This will not include the church today, the body of Christ, it is only determined for the people of Israel as seen in verse 24 above. All seventy weeks are only determined for "thy people" Israel.

 

[Jay Ross]

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined."

Please tell us the timespan for this particular portion of the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecies.

I believe that it will span two ages with the completion being in around 20 or so year from now.

Do you see it that way as well?

 

[Doug]

Please tell us the timespan for this particular portion of the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecies.

I believe that it will span two ages with the completion being in around 20 or so year from now.

Do you see it that way as well?

The 490 years are in sections
The first 7 years is about the restoration of Jerusalem
The next 476 years are from the restoration til Christ's death
The last 7 years is the future grat tribulation

 

[Button]

What happens to people during the great tribulation?

If those who are people of God,in Christ, are Saved by grace, reborn and sealed to the last day, and are now separate from the world,why would we suffer God's wrath upon the world?

 

[Jay Ross]

The 490 years are in sections
The first 7 years is about the restoration of Jerusalem
The next 476 years are from the restoration til Christ's death
The last 7 years is the future grat tribulation

My question was with respect to Daniel 9:26b and you tried to give an answer which was not related to that particular part of the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecies.

I quoted this portion from your previous post and asked you tell us the timespan for it.

If you cannot understand what the actual question I posed was about, then how can I believe whatever you post about the scriptures?

 

[Doug]

My question was with respect to Daniel 9:26b and you tried to give an answer which was not related to that particular part of the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecies.

I quoted this portion from your previous post and asked you tell us the timespan for it.

If you cannot understand what the actual question I posed was about, then how can I believe whatever you post about the scriptures?

V26 may be talking about the first temple which was destroyed by the Babylonians

 

[Button]

My question was with respect to Daniel 9:26b and you tried to give an answer which was not related to that particular part of the Daniel 9:24-27 prophecies.

I quoted this portion from your previous post and asked you tell us the timespan for it.

If you cannot understand what the actual question I posed was about, then how can I believe whatever you post about the scriptures?

Ouch. Ego,pride,arrogance.
Do you think that last part of your remarks prove you understand the scriptures?

 

[Jay Ross]

V26 may be talking about the first temple which was destroyed by the Babylonians

This prophecy, Dan 9:26b, was given after the Babylonians had already laid the Temple bare and taken all of the utensils and baths etc to Babylon.

Do you want to make another guess?

 

[Jay Ross]

Ouch. Ego, pride, arrogance.

I agree with you that our posts often reveal a lot about ourselves unintentionally.

Do you think that last part of your remarks prove you understand the scriptures?

There are many members who believe that they are "qualified" to post commentary on this forum. Whether we are or not, is God's providence to determine as He will give that ability to those whom He chooses.

The last sentence I had posted was formed as a question which referenced his ability to understand the question that I had posted and whether or not that would translate into whether or not I would then have the confidence to believe that he could provide and answer to my question.

In no way was I suggesting that my understanding of the scriptures was superior to his but if that is your inference, then I thank you for your endorsement of my understanding of the scriptures.

Shalom

 

[Doug]

This prophecy, Dan 9:26b, was given after the Babylonians had already laid the Temple bare and taken all of the utensils and baths etc to Babylon.

Do you want to make another guess?

Yes you are right
I looked up commentaries and some said the first temple could have been the one destroyed in Daniel 9:26
I really haven't studied this in depth but I looked at Daniel 9:1 and found this was probably around 537BC
The first temple was destroyed around 586BC
The decree to rebuild around 400BC
This refutes thinking the first temple's destruction could be in view in Daniel 9:26 so it must be the second temple at 70AD
Of note the people of the prince to come were Syrians and Arabs out of the Roman empire

 

[Jay Ross]

Yes you are right
I looked up commentaries and some said the first temple could have been the one destroyed in Daniel 9:26
I really haven't studied this in depth but I looked at Daniel 9:1 and found this was probably around 537BC
The first temple was destroyed around 586BC
The decree to rebuild around 400BC
This refutes thinking the first temple's destruction could be in view in Daniel 9:26 so it must be the second temple at 70AD
Of note the people of the prince to come were Syrians and Arabs out of the Roman empire

Yes and this is what Daniel 9:26b states:

and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

Doug, when does the war end? When do the desolations end?

You have now told us when the city of Jerusalem and the sanctuary was destroyed as found in the part verse prophecy, but you have not presented your understanding of the extent of the time span for this particular portion of the Daniel 9:26b prophecy. Are the prescribed desolations to end in our near future?

A word of warning: -

Commentaries are great to read but their conclusions should only be repeated with great caution.

 

[Doug]

Yes and this is what Daniel 9:26b states:



Doug, when does the war end? When do the desolations end?

You have now told us when the city of Jerusalem and the sanctuary was destroyed as found in the part verse prophecy, but you have not presented your understanding of the extent of the time span for this particular portion of the Daniel 9:26b prophecy. Are the prescribed desolations to end in our near future?

A word of warning: -

Commentaries are great to read but their conclusions should only be repeated with great caution.

My aim was not to fully discuss Daniel 9 my point was that the 490years which includes the tribulation was only dealing with "thy people" Israel. The church the body of Christ will not undergo it.

 

[Jay Ross]

My aim was not to fully discuss Daniel 9 my point was that the 490years which includes the tribulation was only dealing with "thy people" Israel. The church the body of Christ will not undergo it.

So, what you are saying is that now you are not presenting a conclusion as to how long the war will be and when the desolations will end when the war is over. Nor are you providing where this "war" will occur. I would suggest to you that Rev 12 provided a clue as to where this war, referred to in Daniel 9:26b will be occurring and that it has been fought over the last two ages.

Oh well, such is life.

 

[DJT_47]

What exactly is THE tribulation? A specific one that qualifies it as THE one, and not just tribulation?

 

[IndianaRob]

What exactly is THE tribulation? A specific one that qualifies it as THE one, and not just tribulation?

The great tribulation was when dead people came out the ground and walked the streets of Jerusalem and God came down from heaven to avenge the murder of his son.

 

[Button]

The great tribulation was when dead people came out the ground and walked the streets of Jerusalem and God came down from heaven to avenge the murder of his son.

What's to avenge?

 

[ScottA]

[Daniel 9:24 KJV] "Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.".........490 years are determined upon Israel.

[Daniel 9:25 KJV] "Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times."
[Daniel 9:26 KJV] "And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.".........After 483 years Jesus would be put to death.

[Daniel 9:27 KJV] "And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate."........There are 7 years left to be fulfilled. In the middle of the 7 years there will be the great tribulation. This will not include the church today, the body of Christ, it is only determined for the people of Israel as seen in verse 24 above. All seventy weeks are only determined for "thy people" Israel.

Doug, why do you make claims--the above is mere speculation, what you yourself believe. And it's not true.

 

[ScottA]

What exactly is THE tribulation? A specific one that qualifies it as THE one, and not just tribulation?

The greatest of tribulations is not one, but all--all put upon Christ. None is greater than all.

 

[DJT_47]

The great tribulation was when dead people came out the ground and walked the streets of Jerusalem and God came down from heaven to avenge the murder of his son.

Cite the scripture

 

[rvmb]

Cite the scripture

""Cite the scripture""
I wonder if they'll dare try & cite Matt 24 ?