This is totally for Christian's

[lforrest]

Question: Am I free not to believe in a God?

For now yes. But eventually every knee will bow and tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

I would recommend considering the opposite, are you really free to believe in God? What is keeping you from believing?

 

[2bme]

Sure, you are free not to believe in a God? You are free to choose, but not free from the consequence of the choice. God does not force belief. People reject Him all the time. Jesus said, “ye will not come to me, that ye might have life” ~John 5:40. So yes, you can refuse.

But Scripture is clear that unbelief still has an outcome. “He that believeth not is condemned already” ~John 3:18. Freedom of choice does not cancel reality any more than ignoring gravity stops a fall.

So you are free to not believe. You just are not free to make that decision neutral before God. Rejecting God is not treated as “no decision” by God. It counts as a decision against Him.

But you still don't like the idea that I can make a choice against your beliefs. Trust me when I say you don't want someone like me in paradise with you. I wouldn't be happy with you there, and I'm sure any real God would know that.

 

[2bme]

For now yes. But eventually every knee will bow and tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.

I would recommend considering the opposite, are you really free to believe in God? What is keeping you from believing?

We have to be free to choose our fate, otherwise every believer who is claiming we have that freedom of choice is claiming a illusion.

 

[Riven]

If God knows everything, including all of the choices we will make in this life, he already knows who will be saved and who will be damned. Not only do we not have freewill, but we are also pre-judged even before we are born.

 

[rockytopva]

1. Temporal - That which arises out of the crust of the earth
2. Eternal - Mass itself... E = mc2... Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

In which makes mass eternal stuff. It is an easy thing for God to make mass out of plasma... And return the plasma to mass ... However to his will and liking...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

God is going to soon take the mass of the universe and do something else with it...

The heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10

And what will that plasma be reformed to? Well... We don't exactly know....

Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. - 1 Corinthians 2:9

 

[rockytopva]

1. Temporal - That which arises out of the crust of the earth
2. Eternal - Mass itself... E = mc2... Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

In which makes mass eternal stuff. It is an easy thing for God to make mass out of plasma... And return the plasma to mass ... However to his will and liking...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

God is going to soon take the mass of the universe and do something else with it...

The heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10

And what will that plasma be reformed to? Well... We don't exactly know....

Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. - 1 Corinthians 2:9

The planet earth seems to have been created to support life for a period of 7,000 years. I have tried to calculate this...

4,300 BC - The creation of Adam
2,600 BC - The destruction of the first world (1,700 years)
2,060 AD - Isaac Newton's calculation for the end of the second world (4,660 years)
2,067 AD - The beginning of the great millennial reign of Christ
3,067 AD - The end of planet earth

So I have the reign of mankind of 7,367 years. Suggesting an extension or period of grace.

2,067 AD -The Great Millennial Reign - The demonic spirits will be caged up for a thousand years. Take away the evil spirits and what do you get? A thousand years of peace!

Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years. - Revelation 20:6

The crust of planet earth, however, cannot last forever.

1. The mass will return to plasma
2. The plasma will return to mass... However to God's will and liking

Creating an eternal universe.

For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality. - 1 Corinthians 15:53

And Isaac Newton's pick for the end of what I called the second world... From a folio cataloged as Yahuda MS 7.3g, f. 13v:

"So then the time times & half a time are 42 months or 1260 days or three years & an half, reckoning twelve months to a year & 30 days to a month as was done in the Calendar of the primitive year. And the days of short lived Beasts being put for the years of lived kingdoms, the period of 1260 days, if dated from the complete conquest of the three kings A.C. 800, will end A.C. 2060." - Isaac Newton

As Charlemagne was crowned king on December 25, 800 by Pope Leo the III so the day of Christ's coming may be on Christmas Day, 2060. If the rapture of the saints (1 Thessalonians 4:16-17) occurs seven years before the time of Christ's coming the date of the rapture 12.25 2053. However Isaac Newton notes...

"It may end later, but I see no reason for its ending sooner. This I mention not to assert when the time of the end shall be, but to put a stop to the rash conjectures of fancifull men who are frequently predicting the time of the end, & by doing so bring the sacred prophesies into discredit as often as their predictions fail. Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast." - Isaac Newton

And trying to imagine all... The first world...


And trying to imagine all picturing what may be the seven church ages of Revelation...

 

[rvmb]

If God knows everything, including all of the choices we will make in this life, he already knows who will be saved and who will be damned. Not only do we not have freewill, but we are also pre-judged even before we are born

How does His knowing in advance negate your free-will to do what you want ?

 

[Riven]

How does His knowing in advance negate your free-will to do what you want ?

Because I can't contradict God's perfect knowledge. I can't make a choice that would alter my destination.

 

[2bme]

1. Temporal - That which arises out of the crust of the earth
2. Eternal - Mass itself... E = mc2... Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)

In which makes mass eternal stuff. It is an easy thing for God to make mass out of plasma... And return the plasma to mass ... However to his will and liking...

Natural E/c2 - All mass is basically cooled plasma
Mental E/c2 - Mentally, A mathematical formula, but this has chemical and spiritual properties as well.
Spiritual E/c2 - E (motivation, warmth, love) / c2 (faith, hope, charity, joy)

God is going to soon take the mass of the universe and do something else with it...

The heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10

And what will that plasma be reformed to? Well... We don't exactly know....

Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him. - 1 Corinthians 2:9

E = Mc2 something something... that sounds like some kind of science speak, that's the devil's language!

 

[rockytopva]

E = Mc2 something something... that sounds like some kind of science speak, that's the devil's language!

But.... Saint Peter spoke it!

The heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10

Mass (M) - The heavens, elements, and the earth
Plasms (E/c2) - Melt with fervent heat and be burned up

Then.... Saint Peter repeats himself indicating a new heaven and earth will come out of the plasma energy...

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. - 2 Peter 3

And there is nothing in scripture suggesting science and religion do not go hand and hand... Pope Francis tells cosmologists (physicists and astronomers) faith and science go hand in hand: ‘Grounded alike in the absolute truth of God’ - https://thedialog.org/vatican-news/...-grounded-alike-in-the-absolute-truth-of-god/

 

[rockytopva]

And along with my estimations here.... I have not been on the planet long enough to know but M (mass) = E/c2 (plasma). God can take mass and turn to plasma. And return the plasma to mass... However to his will and liking... And he regards my understanding as pure foolishness... Unable to do anything with silica sand save make sand castles...

The wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness. And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain. - 1 Corinthians 3:19-20

 

[rvmb]

Because I can't contradict God's perfect knowledge. I can't make a choice that would alter my destination.

Your choice affected your destination and was an influence on GOD's next step.

 

[2bme]

But.... Saint Peter spoke it!

The heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up. - 2 Peter 3:10

Mass (M) - The heavens, elements, and the earth
Plasms (E/c2) - Melt with fervent heat and be burned up

Then.... Saint Peter repeats himself indicating a new heaven and earth will come out of the plasma energy...

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness. - 2 Peter 3

And there is nothing in scripture suggesting science and religion do not go hand and hand... Pope Francis tells cosmologists (physicists and astronomers) faith and science go hand in hand: ‘Grounded alike in the absolute truth of God’ - https://thedialog.org/vatican-news/...-grounded-alike-in-the-absolute-truth-of-god/

Of course there's nothing in the Bible that suggests science is incompatible with it's core doctrines, because the Bible was written and canonized 1500 years before science made it on the scene.

 

[2bme]

 

[Riven]

Your choice affected your destination and was an influence on GOD's next step.

How so?

 

[rockytopva]

Life on a planet is an incredible proposition!

Mass (m) = Energy (E/c2)
An atom (m) = encapsulated energy (E/c2)
A human cell - Contains trillions of atoms
A human body - Contains trillions of cells

 

[Wrangler]

If God knows everything, including all of the choices we will make in this life, he already knows who will be saved and who will be damned. Not only do we not have freewill, but we are also pre-judged even before we are born.

No. Existing outside of time is hard for us to grasp. It is both, that we have Free Will and will be judged for our choices and actions. Remember, it is not God who judges but his son.

the Father judges no one, but has entrusted all judgment to the Son
John 5:22

 

[bdavidc]

But you still don't like the idea that I can make a choice against your beliefs. Trust me when I say you don't want someone like me in paradise with you. I wouldn't be happy with you there, and I'm sure any real God would know that.

You’re not being kept out of heaven because you wouldn’t like me there. You’re outside because you don’t want God there. Scripture says, “The carnal mind is enmity against God” ~Romans 8:7. That’s the real issue. Not personality, not preference. The human heart does not naturally want Him. Jesus said it plainly, “men loved darkness rather than light” ~John 3:19.


Heaven is not a place for people who agree to coexist with God. It is where God dwells in holiness. “There shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth” ~Revelation 21:27. So God does not adjust heaven to the sinner. He commands the sinner to repent.

Right now you’re describing exactly what Christ warned: “ye will not come to me, that ye might have life” ~John 5:40. But the door is still open because “God… now commandeth all men every where to repent” ~Acts 17:30. This is not about whether you’d be happy there. It’s whether you will turn to the One who gives life before the door closes.

There are only two ends to this road. Jesus spoke of “everlasting punishment” and “life eternal” ~Matthew 25:46. Scripture calls the place of judgment hell, “the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone” ~Revelation 21:8. You don’t get a third option just because you prefer one. The choice now decides the destination then.

 

[Matthias]

Because I can't contradict God's perfect knowledge. I can't make a choice that would alter my destination.

You may remember from your school days that Paul said (in 1 Timothy 2:4) God wants everyone to be saved and come to the knowledge of the truth. What God wants everyone to do, everyone can do. If anyone, for whatever reason, doesn’t want to then that’s on them, not on God.

 

[rvmb]

How so?

The words I use here are my choosing >> freewill.
GOD already knows what I will write >> foreknowledge.
DO you believe GOD makes me write what I write ?