The world is sinful. The verse says he wasnt imputing their sin to their account if you will. The whole world will not be saved however, only those that place faith in Christ and his redemption will be saved. The world had no imputed sin but the indidual had to believe
Is Jesus the Saviour of the whole World?
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Right. Do you emphasize that ? Even though the world is sinful, yet God doesnt charge that world with its sin, its sin free.
The whole world of the sin free is saved. The wages of sin is death, but if God doesnt charge one with sin, they are released from death. So the world in 2 Cor 5 19 cant possibly be the whole entire world of men, the ones dying in their sins
The world in 2 Cor 5 19 will believe because they have no sin and God will give them faith to believe that.
God will give them the gift of faith to believe Phil 1:29
29 For unto you it is given in the behalf of Christ, not only to believe on him, but also to suffer for his sake;
God only gives Faith to believe to them who have no sin imputed to them
I wouldnt go so far as to say its sin free. The sin exists and isnt being imputed, Difference there
You arent reading the verse correctly.
It is saying ......unto you it is given to suffer for his sake..........it isnt saying faith to believe on him is given
Its sin free as far as not having sin [which they do every day] put to their charge to condemn them. They are free from all charges of sin.
Correct, they can never go to hell and second death. Do you teach that ? The Apostles did
Absolutely false, God gives Faith
Yes I am, apparently you arent
I think the world doesnt have their sins imputed but for salvation you must believe God...............[Romans 13:11 KJV] "And that, knowing the time, that now [it is] high time to awake out of sleep: for now [is] our salvation nearer than when we believed."
[1 Corinthians 15:11 KJV] "Therefore whether [it were] I or they, so we preach, and so ye believed."
[Galatians 2:16 KJV] "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified."...................furthermore if the world was already reconciled by not having their sins imputed why would we have to beseech them to be reconciled.................[2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV] "To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation."
[2 Corinthians 5:20 KJV] "Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech [you] by us: we pray [you] in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God."
Well if the world in 2 Cor 5:19 has their sins not imputed unto them, why dont you believe God about that ? Not to have sins charged to you is salvation from the penalty of sin
.[Romans 5:21 KJV] "That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.".........sin reigned unto death. Paul has revealed that sin no longer reigns, grace reigns by our Lord Jesus Christ. Christ blotted out the ordinances contained in the law, nailing it to his cross...........[Colossians 2:14 KJV] "Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;"............By his death he redeemed us from the curse of the law...............[Galatians 3:13 KJV] "Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed [is] every one that hangeth on a tree:"............Sin was in the world and still is, but sin is imputed to the world as long as there is law.............[Romans 5:13 KJV] "(For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law."............. Christ's death took the law out of the way, therefore, if there is no law then the sins imputed by law are no longer imputed. The penalty for sin remains, only the imputed sins of the law are removed. We need to be reconciled to God by faith in Christ and his blood.
Thats false. Those whom Christ died for dont have sins or penalty of sins imputed to them. The penalty of sin is death because of sin Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Also Christ obtained for them He died for eternal redemption Heb 9:12
Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.
Redemption lytrōsis:
- a ransoming, redemption
- deliverance, esp. from the penalty of sin
So you are not being true to the non imputation of sin.
To say the penalty of sin still remains is dubious
Thats another thing, them Christ died for have been redeemed from the curse of the law, its curse and penalty.
The verse was talking about not imputing sin to the people of the world and these Individuals must believe Christ died for their sins or face judgement for their sins, just not for sins imputed by the law, but for their sin nature
Why isn't this enough?
1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
True, not everyone will be saved but Jesus was sent to redeem all men. Some refused.
Jn 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
1 Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
True, not everyone will be saved but Jesus was sent to redeem all men. Some refused.
Jn 3:16-17 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.
This reasoning is not of God. Again with the faulty reasoning and misunderstanding the scriptures. The equation listed in Rom 6:23 is not a preference choice. Both sides remain true. God judges righteously without preference. Those who have received grace will be judged harder, not get off easy. I suppose when a person has no understanding of the truth at all, anything that sounds self-serving will appear to be right.
The power of God is a gift that overcomes all sin...so there is no need to throw away the law or distort the bible.
Are there any who fear the Lord anymore? Are any ready to meet their Maker? Is there any humility amidst all the hubris of those who claim to be Christ's but who live according to the flesh? Those that belong to Christ have been crucified to the outer man and have walked in the kingdom realm without sin....overcoming exactly as Jesus overcame.
But this kind of life and power is mocked...and unheard of in the modern religious institutions that condemn the righteous and justify the wicked for reward.
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Not sure what you think about this verse
I cited it because I was proving that sin was not imputed until there was law. Jesus took away the law, so now sin isn't imputed. But sin outside the law still exists and will be judged.
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