The "watch rapture view"

[rockytopva]

None of us can lay down a timeline and expect perfection...

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. - Acts 1

Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 25:13

Once we are caught up together to meet the Lord in the sky what to say about all these predictions?

 

[rvmb]

None of us can lay down a timeline and expect perfection...

6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power.
8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth. - Acts 1

Watch therefore, for ye know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man cometh. - Matthew 25:13

Once we are caught up together to meet the Lord in the sky what to say about all these predictions?

""Once we are caught up together to meet the Lord in the sky..."
1 Thess 4:17 - the teachings of Paul that applies to believers 'saved' by the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13 Gospel of 'today'
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[covenantee]

As unusual, you lacks understanding as this looks like you completely missed the point.

‘The temple of His body’ isn’t some interchangeable phrase you can play with—it’s Christ Himself and His congregation. When Jesus went into the temple in Matthew 21, He wasn’t just wandering in His ‘body.’ He was executing judgment on the Jews who had turned God’s house into a den of abominations. Maybe read John 2:19–21 again before trying to rewrite theology.

That's strange. For forever you've been attempting to interchange John 2:19-21 and Matthew 24:1-2.

But if the temple was His Body in Matthew 24:1-2, then the temple was also His Body in Matthew 21:12.

Same temple. Same Body.

Maybe think about absurdity and inconsistency.

 

[ewq1938]

Not just the word "woe" in Revelation 12:12, but "woe to the inhabiters of the earth".

Yes but the fact remains that no woe trump has anyone saying the word "woe". Therefore you are incorrect that the word woe in Rev 12 is signifying any of the woe trumps ie: it's not the 3rd woe trump.

"woe" as a word spoken by someone and no trumpet mentioned is not one of the three woe trumps.

 

[ewq1938]

Revelation 13 has only 42 months in it.

Also, I did not say trib nor tribulation, but end times 7 years.

Does Revelation 12:6-17 span the end times 7 years ?

No. It has two separate 3.5 year periods which are times that occur BEFORE the period known as the Trib.

 

[Douggg]

No. It has two separate 3.5 year periods which are times that occur BEFORE the period known as the Trib.

You believe "the Trib" lasts 7 years, right ? What exactly do you mean by "the Trib" in terms of years ?

Does the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 and the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 when added together, not equal 7 years ?

 

[Douggg]

Yes but the fact remains that no woe trump has anyone saying the word "woe".

No-one ? Yes, some one... speaking with a loud voice.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

[ewq1938]

You believe "the Trib" lasts 7 years, right ? What exactly do you mean by "the Trib" in terms of years ?

42 months, Rev 13.

Does the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 and the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 when added together, not equal 7 years ?

Sure but the 7 years that many believe is the trib is consecutive not separated by a period of time as seen in Rev 12. Either way, all of Rev 12 takes place before the 7 years ppl believe in even starts.

 

[ewq1938]

No-one ? Yes, some one... speaking with a loud voice.

That's not from any of the woe trump passages. No one says the word woe in the 5th, 6th or 7th trump passages. In the woe trumps, the trumpet is sounded and events happen. No one is saying "woe" in any of them.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

 

[Douggg]

That's not from any of the woe trump passages. No one says the word woe in the 5th, 6th or 7th trump passages. In the woe trumps, the trumpet is sounded and events happen. No one is saying "woe" in any of them.

huh ? I showed that in Revelation 12:10-12 that a loud voice from heaven said... woe to the inhabiters of the earth...

 

[Douggg]

Sure but the 7 years that many believe is the trib is consecutive not separated by a period of time as seen in Rev 12. Either way, all of Rev 12 takes place before the 7 years ppl believe in even starts.

What ? the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 and the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 are before the 7 years ?

How far before ?

 

[ewq1938]

huh ? I showed that in Revelation 12:10-12 that a loud voice from heaven said... woe to the inhabiters of the earth...

But no trumpet while in the actual woe trump passages there is a trumpet sounding but zero saying the word woe. In other words Rev 12 is not describing any of the woe trumps.

 

[ewq1938]

What ? the 1260 days of Revelation 12:6 and the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 are before the 7 years ?

Yes.

How far before ?

It does not say but it is before satan makes war on Christians which is the tribulation that is found starting in Rev 13.

 

[Davy]

No. It has two separate 3.5 year periods which are times that occur BEFORE the period known as the Trib.

ONE... separate 3.5 year period, NOT two.

[--------------Daniel 9:27 "one week" (7 years)---------------]
[-------1260 days--------][AOD][----1260 days---------------]
[---------------------------------][--great tribulation----------][Jesus gathers]

 

[rebuilder 454]

MARK... this person brethren in Christ, because that above false statement is AGAINST WHAT LORD JESUS HIMSELF SAID WHEN His coming to gather His saints will be...

Both of the below examples of Lord Jesus' Own Words align perfectly with what Apostle Paul taught about the future coming of Lord Jesus and gathering of His Church...

Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

Mark 13:24-27
24 But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun shall be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light,
25 And the stars of heaven shall fall, and the powers that are in heaven shall be shaken.
26 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27 And then shall He send His angels, and shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
KJV

Maybe just ignore the 3 comings of the bible.

That is an excellent starting place for a doctrine.

Once we ignore that, and every rapture setting, and all the escape verses, it will surely prop up what we need the bible to say.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Well, for one thing what you write does not make sense.

It makes sense to any unbiased person. Do you deny that the heaven in which God dwells is the third heaven? I'm sure you don't. So, where would Satan be accusing believers in God's presence? The third heaven. So, that is where he was cast out of. Very simple. Not hard to understand at all if you don't have doctrinal blinders on.

And you make no timeline charts of events.

LOL!!! Who cares?!! Are you an adult, Douggg? Adults are able to discuss the Bible without charts. There are no charts in the Bible.

So when does the time, times, half time of Revelation 12:14 take place ?

I believe it's a symbolic reference to the New Testament time period. Revelation 12:17 refers to the persecution of those who are in the church since the New Testament church began.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Maybe just ignore the 3 comings of the bible.

That is an excellent starting place for a doctrine.

Once we ignore that, and every rapture setting, and all the escape verses, it will surely prop up what we need the bible to say.

3 comings? LOL. Such nonsense.

Scripture very clearly teaches Jesus is coming from heaven in the future once and only once. And it will be in like manner that He was seen ascending to heaven and will be without sin unto salvation.

Acts 1:9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight. 10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; 11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Hebrews 9:28 28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

There's nothing anywhere in scripture about a third coming of Christ.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Here you and Douggg go again—repeating the same error.

Oh, look, the false teacher is here again to share his false understanding of scripture. How nice.

This passage is not talking about the "second heaven, “third heaven," etc.

Yes, it is. You are clueless.

These ideas are being forced into the text. The context is about God’s covenant people on earth—His Old Testament congregation, the kingdom of heaven manifested among His people!

LOL! You turn angels in heaven into the Old Testament congregation on earth. You are unbelievable! Always twisting scripture to fit your false beliefs. You have no shame.

Scripture defines heaven in more than one way. Paul speaks of the “third heaven” in 2 Corinthians 12:2, but that is not the subject here.

The third heaven is where God dwells and it talks about Satan accusing believers before God. That occurred in the third heaven up until Satan was cast out from there permanently because of there being no place for him there any longer. He no longer had anything to accuse believers of because their sins were washed away by the blood of Christ.

You cannot import Paul’s later vision into a completely different context and claim it fits.

LOL. Of course it fits. It's talking about Satan accusing believers in God's presence. That doesn't happen on the earth. I'm bored now. I'm not going to waste my time reading the rest of your nonsense.

 

[covenantee]

Oh, look, the false teacher is here again to share his false understanding of scripture. How nice.


Yes, it is. You are clueless.


LOL! You turn angels in heaven into the Old Testament congregation on earth. You are unbelievable! Always twisting scripture to fit your false beliefs. You have no shame.


The third heaven is where God dwells and it talks about Satan accusing believers before God. That occurred in the third heaven up until Satan was cast out from there permanently because of there being no place for him there any longer. He no longer had anything to accuse believers of because their sins were washed away by the blood of Christ.


LOL. Of course it fits. It's talking about Satan accusing believers in God's presence. That doesn't happen on the earth. I'm bored now. I'm not going to waste my time reading the rest of your nonsense.

His case of incurable terminal gnosticitis occasionally attempts to revive itself.

But fails.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That's strange. For forever you've been attempting to interchange John 2:19-21 and Matthew 24:1-2.

But if the temple was His Body in Matthew 24:1-2, then the temple was also His Body in Matthew 21:12.

Same temple. Same Body.

Maybe think about absurdity and inconsistency.

Inconsistent is his middle name. His first name might be Absurd.