How Did the Sons of God 'Enter Into' the Daughters of Men?

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This verse is a Mystery to many:

Genesis 6:4 - There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The answer is easily found in the Bible.

Who is a famous Son of God? Jesus. When Jesus came to earth to incarnate, did he 'float down' as a fully developed humanoid? Of course not. So why apply that false logic to the Sons of God in Genesis?

What the Sons of God did in Genesis 6:4 was a similar process to how Jesus did it. The process is called 'Kenosis':

In Christian theology, kenosis ('the act of emptying') is the "self-emptying" of Jesus.


The Sons of God performed a 'self emptying' (Kenosis) and placed their essence in the so called 'wives' that they *chose* and *took*:

Genesis 6:2 - That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Let's be clear about this. These women were taken and violated. They were impregnated by a similar process in which Jesus was conceived:

Matthew 1:20 - But while he thought on these things, behold, the angel of the Lord appeared unto him in a dream, saying, Joseph, thou son of David, fear not to take unto thee Mary thy wife: for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Ghost.

The difference of course is that the Sons of God were *fallen* angels and did something that they were not supposed to. It was a counterfeit to what Mary experienced.

The results however were the same. They conceived themselves. In essence, they were their own fathers, a concept that could prove difficult for non Trinitarians.
 

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The subject of Genesis 6:4 is...the sowing of seed. Which Jesus elaborated on and explained in a parable sandwich of how the Spirit reveals the things of God in this world:

The Parable of the Sower

On the same day Jesus went out of the house and sat by the sea. 2 And great multitudes were gathered together to Him, so that He got into a boat and sat; and the whole multitude stood on the shore.
3 Then He spoke many things to them in parables, saying: “Behold, a sower went out to sow. 4 And as he sowed, some seed fell by the wayside; and the birds came and devoured them. 5 Some fell on stony places, where they did not have much earth; and they immediately sprang up because they had no depth of earth. 6 But when the sun was up they were scorched, and because they had no root they withered away. 7 And some fell among thorns, and the thorns sprang up and choked them. 8 But others fell on good ground and yielded a crop: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty. 9 He who has ears to hear, let him hear!”

The Purpose of Parables

10 And the disciples came and said to Him, “Why do You speak to them in parables?”
11 He answered and said to them, “Because it has been given to you to know the [a]mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it has not been given. 12 For whoever has, to him more will be given, and he will have abundance; but whoever does not have, even what he has will be taken away from him. 13 Therefore I speak to them in parables, because seeing they do not see, and hearing they do not hear, nor do they understand. 14 And in them the prophecy of Isaiah is fulfilled, which says:

‘Hearing you will hear and shall not understand,
And seeing you will see and not perceive;
15 For the hearts of this people have grown dull.
Their ears are hard of hearing,
And their eyes they have closed,
Lest they should see with their eyes and hear with their ears,
Lest they should understand with their hearts and turn,
So that I [b]should heal them.’

16 But blessed are your eyes for they see, and your ears for they hear; 17 for assuredly, I say to you that many prophets and righteous men desired to see what you see, and did not see it, and to hear what you hear, and did not hear it.

The Parable of the Sower Explained

18 “Therefore hear the parable of the sower: 19 When anyone hears the word of the kingdom, and does not understand it, then the wicked one comes and snatches away what was sown in his heart. This is he who received seed by the wayside. 20 But he who received the seed on stony places, this is he who hears the word and immediately receives it with joy; 21 yet he has no root in himself, but endures only for a while. For when tribulation or persecution arises because of the word, immediately he stumbles. 22 Now he who received seed among the thorns is he who hears the word, and the cares of this world and the deceitfulness of riches choke the word, and he becomes unfruitful. 23 But he who received seed on the good ground is he who hears the word and understands it, who indeed bears fruit and produces: some a hundredfold, some sixty, some thirty.”​
 

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This verse is a Mystery to many:
It’s only a mystery if you cannot understand that throughout the Bible, spirit beings manifested as humans who ate and drank in the presence of other humans. Abraham for example accommodated three angels who were in human form, (Gen 18) and he made a feast for them, not knowing that they were angels but knowing that that they were God’s envoys, sent to inform Abraham of the birth of his son by Sarah.
One of them spoke for Yahweh.
Two of them went on to the city of Sodom to warn Lot and to rescue his family from the annihilation that was going to take place there. They too were given food and drink....so these were, to all intents and purposes, human beings....materialised angels.
The answer is easily found in the Bible.

Who is a famous Son of God? Jesus. When Jesus came to earth to incarnate, did he 'float down' as a fully developed humanoid? Of course not. So why apply that false logic to the Sons of God in Genesis?
How can you possibly equate these two occurrences?
Jesus was transferred to the womb of Mary in order to be born as a human son of God without being a son of Adam, genetically saddled with adamic sin. Jesus became a “son of God” in a most unique way, as a sinless human, necessary for the redemption of mankind.

What the rebel angels did in Noah’s day was a complete abuse of their ability to materialise human flesh.
The fact that rape was involved means that these women were taken in violence....not violated by spirit beings, but as though they were raped by violent men.

Mary was a virgin when God impregnated her....these women were often already married and violated against their will, producing a hybrid race of violent bullies who came to be called “Nephilim” which literally meant “ones who caused others to fall”. These gigantic men of extreme violence were not to be trifled with, so the humans submitted to their tyranny....accepting this lifestyle as their new “normal”.
What the Sons of God did in Genesis 6:4 was a similar process to how Jesus did it. The process is called 'Kenosis':

The Sons of God performed a 'self emptying' (Kenosis) and placed their essence in the so called 'wives' that they *chose* and *took*:
No it was rape, they violated “all whom they chose”. These “sons of God” were rebel angels, noticing the good looking “daughters of men” and in their defective state, chose to indulge in the pleasures of the flesh....something angels are not designed to do. What they did was against nature and God was going to put a stop to it. These Nephilim were not said to produce offspring themselves...as hybrids they were probably sterile anyway, but God would make sure to wipe out all the rebels on earth with a global flood. As God said....”During that time the sons of the true God continued to have relations with the daughters of men, and these bore sons to them. They were the mighty ones of old times, the men of fame.”

By a great flood, God would eliminate all wicked humans as well as sending those rebel angels back to the spirit realm, destroying any living thing that they could “possess” to remain on earth.
Once back in spirit form, God took away their ability to materialise because there is no record of them doing so again, but faithful angels did continue to materialise to deliver their messages. Gabriel for example appeared to the prophet Daniel some 500 years before he appeared to Mary to tell her about the birth of Jesus.
Let's be clear about this. These women were taken and violated. They were impregnated by a similar process in which Jesus was conceived:
Not similar...not even close.
The difference of course is that the Sons of God were *fallen* angels and did something that they were not supposed to. It was a counterfeit to what Mary experienced.
It was a different experience altogether. There was no “kenosis”. That idea is a church invention.
The results however were the same. They conceived themselves. In essence, they were their own fathers, a concept that could prove difficult for non Trinitarians.
They materialised as other angels had done, and as Jesus did when he was resurrected as a spirit. (1 Peter 3:18)
After his resurrection, Jesus did not stay with his apostles who had been his constant companions for three and a half years....he only “appeared” to them on occasion, but they did not always recognise him. On two occasions he materialised a body with wounds, whereas on other occasions he was in the appearance of a man unaffected by physical abuse. He was cruelly tortured on the night before his death, but his resurrected body did not reflect his physical condition prior to his death. He sacrificed his body and did not take it back.

On another occasion whilst he was dining with his disciples, when he broke the bread in his distinctive way, they recognised him, but he vanished before their eyes. (Luke 24:30-31)

There is no biblical evidence for your assertions.....but probably more in science fiction.
 

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You make me want to learn Chinese.....:crossword:It seems to give you a unique take on Scripture....
Who was it it who gave you your Chinese translation?
I understand that it’s not a popular religion in China?
What drew you to it?
 
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You make me want to learn Chinese.....:crossword:It seems to give you a unique take on Scripture....
This is an idea I came up with after studying English and the biblical story of the Tower of Babel. Languages were only scattered, and some languages retain certain expressions or habits from others(or origin), though there are still subtle differences.
Who was it it who gave you your Chinese translation?
I was thinking that the earliest linguists might have been children growing up with parents who spoke two different dialects, enabling them to pick up both effortlessly, and that this is how communication between different dialects first began.

The first officially published complete Chinese Bible: Translated by Joshua Marshman and Joannes Lassar (Protestant) in the 19th century.


I understand that it’s not a popular religion in China?
I might say that no religion is particularly popular in China, and people generally have only a partial understanding of any religion. To be honest, there are not a few churches in China, but there are very few young people attending—most of them are elderly.
What drew you to it?
Maybe curiosity as Eve in the garden of Eden

Saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise.
 
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This verse is a Mystery to many:



The answer is easily found in the Bible.

Who is a famous Son of God? Jesus. When Jesus came to earth to incarnate, did he 'float down' as a fully developed humanoid? Of course not. So why apply that false logic to the Sons of God in Genesis?

What the Sons of God did in Genesis 6:4 was a similar process to how Jesus did it. The process is called 'Kenosis':



The Sons of God performed a 'self emptying' (Kenosis) and placed their essence in the so called 'wives' that they *chose* and *took*:



Let's be clear about this. These women were taken and violated. They were impregnated by a similar process in which Jesus was conceived:



The difference of course is that the Sons of God were *fallen* angels and did something that they were not supposed to. It was a counterfeit to what Mary experienced.

The results however were the same. They conceived themselves. In essence, they were their own fathers, a concept that could prove difficult for non Trinitarians.
How?
Sex.

The result.
Offspring,called,the Giants. Or, Nephilim.
Genesis 6 and The Book of Enoch.

The solution was the great flood. They supposedly drowned.
 
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How Did the Sons of God 'Enter Into' the Daughters of Men?​

And David comforted Bathsheba his wife, and went in unto her, and lay with her: and she bare a son, and he called his name Solomon: and the LORD loved him. 2 Samuel 12:24

The same Hebrew word בּוֹא ("bo", to go into) is used in both Genesis 6:4 and to describe what David and Bathsheba were doing. For further instructions about how this works, I recommend you talk to your spouse.
 
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This is an idea I came up with after studying English and the biblical story of the Tower of Babel. Languages were only scattered, and some languages retain certain expressions or habits from others(or origin), though there are still subtle differences.
Interesting that you studied English by means of the biblical stories.
The Tower of Babel is a fascinating account of the post flood era.....instigated by the first rebel in the new world....Nimrod, whose influence is still evident in many of the false religious beliefs held in different world religions.

God confused the language of the tower builders to break up their plan to disobey his command to spread out into the world. He broke them up into language groups....so, by giving them different languages that only those who spoke and understood that language could communicate effectively, they moved on to other areas and populated them with people who spoke that unique language.

It shows what God can do to accomplish his will.
I was thinking that the earliest linguists might have been children growing up with parents who spoke two different dialects, enabling them to pick up both effortlessly, and that this is how communication between different dialects first began.
I always find language so fascinating, and envy those who can speak several languages fluently.
Children prove how adaptable they are to learning several languages whilst they are growing up. So I understand what you mean there.
The first officially published complete Chinese Bible: Translated by Joshua Marshman and Joannes Lassar (Protestant) in the 19th century.
Having looked up this translation and the translators online, some interesting observations were made...
They said that this translation, ‘although scholarly for its time, was not consistently precise by modern linguistic standards’.
Is this the one you use or are there more modern translations available to you?
I might say that no religion is particularly popular in China, and people generally have only a partial understanding of any religion. To be honest, there are not a few churches in China, but there are very few young people attending—most of them are elderly.
I can understand that because many of the churches in the western world have the same problem....and the education system is to blame I feel. Science has replaced God as Creator and eliminated the need for spiritual thinking. Yet we are born spiritual with an large capacity for learning spiritual matters...but like a muscle that is not exercised, it grows weak through lack of use. Children lose their spirituality which is replaced with carnality.....all that this carnal world has to offer.....fleshly, selfish, material, money driven, greed oriented.

The sacrifice has not made the world a better place, but has instead made people concentrate of their own wants, which are then put above the needs of others......so the rich get richer (but more miserable) and the poor get poorer due to neglect and wear out trying to provide for the rich people who exploit their poverty
Maybe curiosity as Eve in the garden of Eden

Saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise.
This I think emphasises the importance of what one looks at.....today we have so many visual things that make people want what they see....advertising depends on it. It has become an annoying pest in our lives, with someone always wanting to sell us something.....

Children are exposed every day to the things they see on a screen, and it’s like the story of the Pied Piper (if you are familiar) the piper plays the music and the children follow him...in our day, the piper is Satan the devil and his music and entertainment are all designed to promote everything the Bible condemns.

It’s a tough job for parents to keep their children on the right track...so much is out there drawing them away....to moral, physical, emotional and spiritual disaster. Drugs and alcohol continue to be the bane of our existence....so many succumb, despite the warnings. How can parents keep their children safe when they are setting such a bad example themselves?

What do you see in your home country as China has improved its standard of living in recent decades....?
 
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