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I don't know that if you think the way of evil.
Asking God why "Satan" written a book called Quran.
God has given me all I need to know in His written Word, the Bible! Jesus is God and Hell Fire is EVERLASTING! Jesus said so.
This is just for you.Not for Jews.That's why there is a Koran.The Koran is very clear, as stated in the previous chapter.Jews and Christians both read.From The word of god..
He spoke to a specific group of people.If you don't accept it, that's your problem.It's also those people's problems, not mine. I'm just stating the facts.As for you, youIt's not my business to ask God what you think.
Aunty Jane
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From what you post, it is obvious that God hasn’t told you anything.....you yourself only post what you think supports Christendom’s doctrines.....it is obvious you have never studied the actual Bible in your whole life.....only parroting theology...do you know the difference?
Let’s be honest Jack...you have swallowed the satanic party line so thoroughly and for so long that you cannot see past the end of your nose....your obsession with Christendom’s hell is proof of that.
What did God say through his prophet Jeremiah when Israelite parents were sacrificing their children in a fire to a false god?
Jer 7:30-31...KJV...
“For the children of Judah have done evil in my sight, saith the LORD: they have set their abominations in the house which is called by my name, to pollute it.
31 And they have built the high places of Tophet, which is in the valley of the son of Hinnom, to burn their sons and their daughters in the fire; which I commanded them not, neither came it into my heart.”
To put their children in a fire he said, never “came it into my heart.”.....so why then would he do that to his own children!?
The god you worship is on a par with the false god Israel was worshipping. He doesn’t exist, except in the minds of those who accept this false god that Christendom invented and serves.
Who did Jesus worship.....and still does? (Rev 3:12)
If you want to burn in Hell follow the 'Koran'! I'll stick with the New Covenant that Jesus gave us with His Blood.
All you 'know' is what your WatchTower masters tell you!
See above!
Translation: Aunty doesn't have a clue what Jesus said about THE FIRE in the NT!
Oh look, Aunty is running from what Jesus said about THE FIRE in the NT!
Don't they have classes at Kingdom Hall how to quote the Bible??? You're not gonna like your eternal roommates Aunty.
Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Aunty Jane
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Do you think the earth and the world is heaven now?Do you think the devil prefers the world as it is now?
If God put the devil in heaven, Do you think this is an eternal torture for the devil?
Yeah, I parrot Jesus! You parrot your WatchTower masters.
Sure I do. It's what JW's use when they don't like what the Bible says.
You're not gonna like your eternal roommates Aunty!The fire is not literal....
Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
IOW, BILLIONS of humans who don't believe in the EVERLASTING Hell Fire!
Aunty Jane
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It’s not a literal fire as “death and hades” (“hell”) are cast into the lake of fire.....
Rev 20:13-14...KJV...
“And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” (Rev 20:13-15)
Would you like to explain that Jack? How is “hell” cast into “hell”?
It is called “the second death”, not the second life....you have to be alive to suffer.
The dead are not alive....who told you they were?.......Thats right...it was satan’s first lie....”you surely will not die”....whereas Adam was told he “surely” would....and simply “return to the dust”. (Gen 3:2-5, 19)
Whose lies are you promoting?
Says the WatchTower!
Says Jesus:
Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be SCREAMING and gnashing of teeth.
See how God made you quote "hell", AGAIN!
Why didn't you quote this part Aunty? WatchTower wouldn't give you permission?
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
It doesn't say that Aunty!
'Death' NEVER means 'cease to exist' in the Bible! NEVER!
Yes they are!
Revelation 20:12
12 And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God, and books were opened. And another book was opened, which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their works, by the things which were written in the books.
Why didn't you quote the Scripture? Need permission from your WatchTower masters?
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Aunty Jane
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No...actually it was your precious KJV who said that.
Did you miss V 14? ....And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
If the lake of fire is “hell” then hell is cast into hell.....ridiculous!
And if it’s the “second death”, what is the first death? It’s not called the “second life” is it?
What does it mean to be dead Jack? Dead means dead.....have you seen dead things Jack?
Let’s look at that in context Jack....something you apparently know nothing about.....this is part of a parable, as we see when we read the whole passage not just a cherry picked verse, as you so often do.
Matt 13:47-50...ESV...
“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a net that was thrown into the sea and gathered fish of every kind. When it was full, men drew it ashore and sat down and sorted the good into containers but threw away the bad. So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come out and separate the evil from the righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.”
Now ask yourself.....do those in “a fiery furnace” “weep”?....do they shed tears Jack....do they even have teeth?
Why are they “weeping and gnashing their teeth”? Where are they? They are spiritually dead...not physically dead when they lament their errors. They know exactly where they are going.....into eternal extinction. Why does God need to punish the wicked eternally for sins committed in a short sin laden life on earth that wasnt even their fault in the first place. Where is the justice in that?
Jack said:
See how God’s word explains “hell”? It isn’t a literal place....because “death and hades” (hell) are also thrown in there. (Rev 20:13-14) It is a figurative place where everything in it is destroyed.
What does John 3:16 say?
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (KJV)
If you look up that word “perish” in a concordance, it gives the definition.....
“to destroy
- to put out of the way entirely, abolish, put an end to ruin”. (Strongs)
Another incredibly childish response....you have to be alive to be tormented...the physically dead are not alive and cannot be tormented. The spiritually dead who are headed for “Gehenna”, are tormented by the truth before they are destroyed.....God said of his enemies....”they will have to know that I am Jehovah”.
Sorry Jack, but it does.
What did God tell Adam about death? Was “heaven or hell” ever mentioned to him?
This is what God told him....
“....Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;
18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;
19 In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.”
A “return to the dust” was all that Adam could look forward to.....no hell of eternal torment for the one who plunged the entire human race into sin and death....from your own Bible.
Again, Revelation is for the most part figurative....it was given “in signs”, so unless you read like a three year old with no comprehension, you will never find a literal application of that verse.... cherry picked again.
This is the judgment where all the dead are judged...those in Sheol/hades, who are redeemed by the blood of Christ. (John 5:28-29) Those who received “the judgment of Gehenna” will simply remain dead eternally...like they never existed...sorry if that doesn’t satisfy your sadistic streak.
God has no need or desire to punish the wicked with anything but eternal death. He is not a sadist.
Grow up....why don’t you look at your own “masters”? Who is it that you quote and rely on for your responses....it is clear that you copy and paste a lot.....none of it is your own material from personal study....
Your own masters cannot possibly be wrong....can they?
Maybe Jesus can correct you...? We can only hope so, but I won’t hold my breath.
Nice smoke screen Aunty. JW's practice that a lot! I'm really glad you're not in Hell yet!
Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:
The Lake of Fire is not Hell. Hell will be cast into the Lake of Fire. Read the Bible.
Adam and Eve died the day they sinned, but were still very much alive. Read the Bible.
So you believe in the Furnace of Fire! I knew you would eventually!
Jesus already answered your Bible attack.
Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be SCREAMING and gnashing of teeth.
"Figurative" and JW fav when they don't like what Jesus / God said!
Why did you stop reading? You didn't get permission from your WatchTower masters?
John 3:36
36 He who believes in the Son has everlasting life; and he who does not believe the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abides on him."
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Quoting Jesus is "childish"? Remember you said that. He certainly will.
Adam died the day he sinned. But he was very much alive. God said so. Have you never even read Genesis?
Again, "figurative" a JW fav when they don't like what God said!
Revelation 20:10
10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Jesus is my Master. That's why I keep quoting what He said about THE EVERLASTING FIRE that you keep avoiding like poison.
I only have one Master, Jesus. He's never wrong. He mentioned THE FIRE several times. Your WatchTower masters do not overrule Jesus!
He already did. That's why I'm not JW! I don't want to burn in Hell FOREVER!
Revelation 20:10
They will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
Jack, you are dealing with JW delusional teaching which changes.
eg
"""Jehovah's Witnesses ease rules on blood transfusions"""
Jehovah's Witnesses eases rules on blood transfusions
Jehovah's Witnesses will allow members to have their own blood removed, stored, and "given back" in medical procedures.
www.bbc.com
And JW's don't believe in Hell unless it's for Bible believers.Jack, you are dealing with JW delusional teaching which changes.
eg
"""Jehovah's Witnesses ease rules on blood transfusions"""
Jehovah's Witnesses eases rules on blood transfusions
Jehovah's Witnesses will allow members to have their own blood removed, stored, and "given back" in medical procedures.
Hell is only for the evil,
When everything is good, that's really Hell for the evil.
But not a hell for us as now.
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