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I can be suffering, and have, but I'll still praise God for my sickness and pain. Even a heart attack or stroke, I will still Praise God and thank Him for my blessings in life. God will take me home in His arms. These people wanting to die on their selfishness, controlling their own destiny, thumbing their nose at God. They don't know God and their hearts are far away from Jesus Christ and His salvation. Jeremiah 17:9 says it all.

Most likely for them, the 'god' they think is real does not exist. He wont be the God of bible scripture. OT and NT teaches there are many lords and false gods.

There is no peace for the wicked.

Isaiah 57
The righteous perishes,
And no man takes it to heart;
Merciful men are taken away,
While no one considers
That the righteous is taken away from [a]evil.


2 He shall enter into peace;
They shall rest in their beds,
Each one walking in his uprightness.


3 “But come here,
You sons of the sorceress,
You offspring of the adulterer and the harlot!
4 Whom do you ridicule?
Against whom do you make a wide mouth
And stick out the tongue?
Are you not children of transgression,
Offspring of falsehood,

5 Inflaming yourselves with gods under every green tree,
Slaying the children in the valleys,
Under the clefts of the rocks?

6 Among the smooth stones of the stream
Is your portion;
They, they, are your lot!
Even to them you have poured a drink offering,
You have offered a grain offering.
Should I receive comfort in these?

7 “On a lofty and high mountain
You have set your bed;
Even there you went up
To offer sacrifice.
8 Also behind the doors and their posts
You have set up your remembrance;
For you have uncovered yourself to those other than Me,
And have gone up to them;
You have enlarged your bed
And [b]made a covenant with them;
You have loved their bed,
Where you saw their [c]nudity.
9 You went to the king with ointment,
And increased your perfumes;
You sent your messengers far off,
And even descended to Sheol.
10 You are wearied in the length of your way;
Yet you did not say, ‘There is no hope.’
You have found the life of your hand;
Therefore you were not grieved.
11 “And of whom have you been afraid, or feared,
That you have lied
And not remembered Me,
Nor taken it to your heart?
Is it not because I have [d]held My peace from of old
That you do not fear Me?
12 I will declare your righteousness
And your works,
For they will not profit you.
13 When you cry out,
Let your collection of idols deliver you.
But the wind will carry them all away,
A breath will take them.
But he who puts his trust in Me shall possess the land,
And shall inherit My holy mountain.”

Healing for the Backslider​

14 And one shall say,
“Heap it up! Heap it up!
Prepare the way,
Take the stumbling block out of the way of My people.”

15 For thus says the High and Lofty One
Who inhabits eternity, whose name is Holy:
“I dwell in the high and holy place,
With him who has a contrite and humble spirit,
To revive the spirit of the humble,
And to revive the heart of the contrite ones.


16 For I will not contend forever,
Nor will I always be angry;
For the spirit would fail before Me,
And the souls which I have made.



17 For the iniquity of his covetousness
I was angry and struck him;
I hid and was angry,
And he went on [e]backsliding in the way of his heart.
18 I have seen his ways, and will heal him;
I will also lead him,
And restore comforts to him
And to his mourners.
19 “I create the fruit of the lips:
Peace, peace to him who is far off and to him who is near,”
Says the Lord,
“And I will heal him.”

20 But the wicked are like the troubled sea,
When it cannot rest,
Whose waters cast up mire and dirt.


21There is no peace,”
Says my God, “for the wicked.”
 
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Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge [a]puffs up, but love [b]edifies.

2 And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know.

3 But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.

4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one.

5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),

6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
 
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That is one perspective, and perhaps the reason so many choose to end their lives before God does.

On the other hand, if someone you knew felt that way, how might you council that person?

For example, those that feel they are an unnecessary burden should be assured they are no such thing. It is an honor and privilege to care for someone in hospice.

Blessings.
Does God really end peoples lives Bob? I'm of the understanding it is the Devil who comes to steal, kill and destroy.
 

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The Noah Flood and Sodom and Gomorra come to mind.
The writer of these accounts namely Moses attributed these events as God being responsible. I think he was in error.
Fast forward to Jesus. When Jesus said, 'you have heard said etc etc but I say unto you blah blah blah', he was altering the truth of the information they had heard. As an example, Moses said love your neighbour and hate your enemy. Jesus said, love your enemies and do good to those who persecute you.
 

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The writer of these accounts namely Moses attributed these events as God being responsible. I think he was in error.
Fast forward to Jesus. When Jesus said, 'you have heard said etc etc but I say unto you blah blah blah', he was altering the truth of the information they had heard. As an example, Moses said love your neighbour and hate your enemy. Jesus said, love your enemies and do good to those who persecute you.
Amos 4:10-
“I sent a plague among you after the manner of Egypt;
I slew your young men by the sword along with your captured horses,
And I made the stench of your camp rise up in your nostrils;
Yet you have not returned to Me,” declares the Lord.
 

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Does God really end peoples lives Bob? I'm of the understanding it is the Devil who comes to steal, kill and destroy.
  1. Genesis 38:7
    And Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him.
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  2. Genesis 38:10
    And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; therefore He slew him also.
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  3. Exodus 13:15
    And it came to pass, when Pharaoh would hardly let us go, that the Lord slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man and the firstborn of beast; therefore I sacrifice to the Lord all that openeth the womb, being males; but all the firstborn of my children I redeem.’
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There is a principle at work here in the scripture. Unless the Lord redeems you from destruction of the curse due to sin, yes, the Lord will slay you, you will die, dying you will die.

Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are Mine. As the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
 
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  1. Matthew 1:21
    And she shall bring forth a Son, and thou shalt call His name Jesus, for He shall save His people from their sins.”
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  2. Acts 2:38
    Then Peter said unto them, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
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  3. Romans 15:9
    and that the Gentiles might glorify God for His mercy; as it is written: “For this cause I will confess to Thee among the Gentiles, and sing unto Thy name.”
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  4. 1 John 2:12
    I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for His name’s sake.
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People die in their sins, In essence God made a law, the law of sin, it requires God to punish man for his sins against God.

John 8

23 And He said unto them, “Ye are from beneath; I am from above. Ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

24 I said therefore unto you that ye shall die in your sins; for if ye believe not that I am He, ye shall die in your sins.”

25 Then they said unto Him, “Who art thou?” And Jesus said unto them, “Even the same that I said unto you from the beginning.

26 I have many things to say and to judge of you, but He that sent Me is true; and I speak to the world those things which I have heard of Him.”

27 They understood not that He spoke to them of the Father.

28 Then said Jesus unto them, “When ye have lifted up the Son of Man, then shall ye know that I am He, and that I do nothing of Myself; but as My Father hath taught Me, I speak these things.

29 And He that sent Me is with Me. The Father hath not left Me alone, for I do always those things that please Him.”

30 As He spoke those words, many believed in Him.
 
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The concept of the Law of Sin
The Law of Sin is at work in the flesh and not in the Spirit.
This is true in both the old and new testaments of God.
  1. Romans 3:20
    Therefore by the deeds of the law, no flesh shall be justified in His sight, for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
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  2. Romans 5:20
    Moreover the law entered, that the offense might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound,
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  3. Romans 7:5
    For when we were in the flesh, the passions of sins, which were by the law, worked in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.
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  4. Romans 7:8
    But sin, taking occasion through the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence; for without the law sin was dead.
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  5. Romans 7:23
    But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
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  6. Romans 7:25
    I thank God — through Jesus Christ our Lord! So then, with the mind I myself serve the law of God, but with the flesh the law of sin.
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  7. Romans 8:2
    For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
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  8. Romans 8:3
    For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin
  9. in the flesh,
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  10. 1 Corinthians 15:56
    The sting of death is sin, and the strength of sin is the law.
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  11. 1 Timothy 1:9
    knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
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  12. Hebrews 7:28
    For the law maketh men high priests who have infirmity; but the word of the oath, which came since the law, maketh the Son, who is consecrated for evermore.
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  13. Hebrews 10:8
    Above when He said, “Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings, and offering for sin Thou wouldest not have, neither hadst pleasure therein” (which are offered in accordance with the law),
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  14. James 2:9
    But if ye have respect of persons, ye commit sin and are convicted by the lawas transgressors.
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  15. 1 John 3:4
    Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law, for sin is the transgression of the law.
 
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The Law of Sin is at work in the flesh and not in the Spirit.

Meaning Christians can never stop sinning right?
I know people that believe they were born sinners and so they continue living in sin.

They refuse to put off the old man and put the new man on which is created in righteousness and true holiness

Ephesians 4:22-24
put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14
put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created Him:

2 Corinthians 6:17
come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
 

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Spain... This breaks my heart.

Canada is doing the same, "Sick/Morbid" the US and free world should sanction and isolate such countries, no different than Iran killing thousands of innocent protestors
 

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The Noah Flood and Sodom and Gomorra come to mind.
Yes my friend . But what many do not realize is
That ALL that GOD has said GOD WILL DO .
Through means of a sensual love the image of GOD has been changed into an image of humanitys own making .
And it will pander to sensual love and it will make the God of the bible
seem more and more as Outdated or try and say OH men messed things up .
But GOD cannot lie . HE has warned as DID HIS SON
about such a place and such an ending FOR ALL WHO DENY JESUS THE CHRIST .
but that is not what this generation wants to believe any longer .
IT desires to beleive in another god , another jesus , NAMELY one that is okay WITH THEIR SIN
and makes the road VERY BRAOD and INCLUSIVE .
BUT BROAD IS THE WAY that leadeth to DESTRUCTION
JESUS IS THE WAY and THE ONLY WAY unto GOD .
And he aint in the business of holding korans and budda statues
or holding dark rainbows , or holdling any sin for that matter .
THEY IN LOVE with another god . one that lies . AND I gotta say THAT MEANS IT IS NOT GOD they love at all .
cause GOD DONT LIE . something else lies and it sure knows how to do so .
 
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  1. Genesis 38:7
    And Er, Judah’s firstborn, was wicked in the sight of the Lord; and the Lord slew him.
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  2. Genesis 38:10
    And the thing which he did displeased the Lord; therefore He slew him also.
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
  3. Exodus 13:15
    And it came to pass, when Pharaoh would hardly let us go, that the Lord slew all the firstborn in the land of Egypt, both the firstborn of man and the firstborn of beast; therefore I sacrifice to the Lord all that openeth the womb, being males; but all the firstborn of my children I redeem.’
    In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations
There is a principle at work here in the scripture. Unless the Lord redeems you from destruction of the curse due to sin, yes, the Lord will slay you, you will die, dying you will die.

Ezekiel 18:4
Behold, all souls are Mine. As the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is Mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.

Ezekiel 18:20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
and yet t his generation acts as if UNBELEIF is not sin . as if beleiving a lie and thus calling GOD a liar IS NOT SIN .
How so .
WELCOME to ya fluffly diverse rainbow kiss a koran and hug a budda s tatue generation .
NOW JESUS HAS BEEN DENEID , and their version of him seems FINE and dandy with sins and lies .
ONLY THERE bE A REAL SERIOUS problem with that mindset .
SEEING GOD cannot lie and HE testified on the SON
Seeing EVEN JOHN said if one bleiev es NOT the testimony that GOD gave of the son they call GOD A LIAR .
SEEING GOD cannot lie nor has ever once honored and or accepted ANY SIN
JESUS CANNOT DO SO ETIHER . HE cannot lie and he DO NOT accept sins .
SO g uess what god and what jesus they are loving on scott . THE ONE THAT LIES and DENIES
And that sure aint GOD , SURE AINT CHRIST , IT SURE AINT THE HOLY SPIRIT .
ITs someone and something else . ONE WHO DOES LIE and can twist the scrips to do so . HELLO SERPENT.
ITS the sepernt they love . For all who made and loved a lie . the lake of f ire surely awaits them .
Have i ever said ITS bIBLE TIME . OH wait I SAY IT ALL THE TIME .
WELL allow me to say this again to us all
IF YA WANNA KNOW what god or GOD ya been loving
and if you want to know if your churches and church leaders are LOVING G OD or another god .
BRING A BIBLE and see HOW MUCH THEY LOVE HIS WORDS . OOPSY we gots problems . their love HATES
his words that expose what they do and they love , THEIR SINS .
 
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Now concerning things offered to idols: We know that we all have knowledge. Knowledge [a]puffs up, but love [b]edifies.

2 And if anyone thinks that he knows anything, he knows nothing yet as he ought to know.

3 But if anyone loves God, this one is known by Him.

4 Therefore concerning the eating of things offered to idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the world, and that there is no other God but one.

5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on earth (as there are many gods and many lords),

6 yet for us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and through whom we live.
LOVES GOD . Its impossible to LOVE GOD and HATE T RUTH .
marvel not my friend this is very very true .
Its impossible to LOVE GOD , though a man may holler it a hundred times a day
IF THEY LOVE NOT HIS SON .
One loveth not the SON if they KEEP N OT HIS SAYINGS .
HE who loves ME
KEEPS MY SAYINGS .
HERE is his commandment that we BELEIVE ON JESUS and love one another .
JESUS , not some other jesus either that accepts sins and calls evil good and good evil . cause that one AINT JESUS
and is NOT OF GOD .
 

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I had a brother in law, he got an aggressive form of cancer, in 6 weeks he lost 25 kilograms of weight because the cancer ate him alive and he was screaming of the pain despite he had a pump on which he could regulate the doses of the morphine. He asked for euthanasia and got it. A grateful and merciful death. It's one of the cases I can live with.

OTOH it's no big secret there is a world wide practice that dying persons in pain are given an extra doses of morphine because it will end their suffering earlier. And the silence is deafening. Kind of hypocritical.
 
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Meaning Christians can never stop sinning right?
I know people that believe they were born sinners and so they continue living in sin.

They refuse to put off the old man and put the new man on which is created in righteousness and true holiness

Ephesians 4:22-24
put off concerning the former conversation the old man, which is corrupt according to the deceitful lusts;
And be renewed in the spirit of your mind;
And that ye put on the new man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.

Romans 13:14
put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

Colossians 3:10
And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of Him that created Him:

2 Corinthians 6:17
come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you.
Full explanation from scripture says like this, Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so it be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.

Romans 8

3 For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God, sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh,

4 that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

5 For those who are according to the flesh mind the things of the flesh; but those who are according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.

6 For to be carnally minded is death, but to be spiritually minded is life and peace,

7 because the carnal mind is enmity against God, for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so it be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of His.

10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin, but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

11 But if the Spirit of Him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, He that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by His Spirit that dwelleth in you.

12 Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh to live according to the flesh;

13 for if ye live according to the flesh ye shall die, but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body ye shall live.

14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
 

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Dan Clarkston said:
Meaning Christians can never stop sinning right?
I know people that believe they were born sinners and so they continue living in sin.
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Well, we know now, from that quote, that Dan Clarkston is not a sinner.