Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[Lizbeth]

There is nothing good about Trump. He is a handler under MK, murders babies/children for satanic ritual (and eats them) ....that is, after he violates them sexually. Anything he does that appears "good" is only a front. I can't see anything he's done that is good. He's talked and talked, but then death and destruction follows. I can't call anything good coming from an entity who has been proven to be a violent sexual predator of children.

I know people hate when I say these things about Trump, especially those willfully blind people who believe everything that comes out of Trump's mouth is true. But hundreds of victims and witnesses aren't wrong.

I believe Trump was in up to his neck with Epstein until they had a disagreement and weren't friends any more. Just how far he went with it and participated in it all, I personally do not know.....you may have more specific information than me. And I don't believe every word he says....I find him to be "mercurial" I think is the word. The things you are mentioning is paganism and unspeakably evil, as per Molech....nothing new under the sun, unfortunately (and I dont mean to be flippant, it is beyond the pale cruel and awful). Cyrus was a pagan too, yet he was "chosen" by God for His purposes, and who knows what he got up to with his paganism. Nevertheless it was the Lord who raised him up.....some of it meant "good" for Israel and some of it was to bring "evil" upon Babylon (judgment). I feel it is not for me to judge anyone in this (only by God's grace), but to look at the bigger picture and respect that it is God who is working. He creates both good and evil:

Isa 45:5-7
I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:
That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

The wrong Tree in the Garden of Eden was knowledge of both good and evil........and it had been created by God.....this world has both "good" and "evil" going on in it. But we are not to take our sustenance from it.....our life source is from heaven, the Tree of Life . Which is why I believe we should not be invested in what is going on in the world with worldly governments, but as believers only watching what the Father is doing, so to speak. God is on His throne and steering things towards the end. Times of the Gentiles seem to be nearing its end, I believe, and earthly Israel's star will rise for a short time before the return of the true Messiah/Christ. We need to see things from heaven's vantage point, otherwise it can be so demoralizing and discouraging to see how things are going........I think that is why Jesus said the love of many would grow cold near the end....sin and corruption etc abounding. We need to rise above the fray by His grace, and have our eyes looking up.

Sister, you be encouraged in the Lord, I am sure this all must be triggering for you. God gave me Psalm 37 to read about 12 years ago....and only more recently do I really know why now. It is for these days that I particularly need it, and I encourage you to read it. as well and be strengthened by it. In spite of how things look, the Lord is ruling and reigning still..............and we will see His justice being poured out on the wicked in the end, while those who belong to Him who have suffered in this life will be rewarded and comforted and inherit the earth.

 

[amigo de christo]

You can't say the current war is between God and the fictitious Allah.

In the grand scheme of wars the only war what matters is when Christ returns, ends all the nonsense and says : it's enough.

What would even YOU DO , who wrote a truth just now , if i told you
that on THIS VERY DAY you spoke of , JESUS day
Everything within ecumencalism IS GOING DOWN and shall WAIL as never before , only then
IT WILL BE TOO late .
Now before you tell me , but hey what about all those false religoins .
ALLOW me some parting words , THEY TOO are false and are being led RIGHT INTO the same ecumeincal camp .
OF the well favored WHORE of all harlots to be as one man . beleiving they serve GOD , HIS LOVE , HIS PLAN
for how to attain peace n safety in the world . but not knowing IT WAS SATAN ALL ALONG they served
and loved and embraced as though HE were GOD ALL MIG HTY HIMSELF .
My advice remains indentical and the same as it has for years and for years .
GET THEM NOSES BACK INTO THE BIBLE , and get the heck out of anything even remotely
connected to this ecumenical unity finding common ground bridge builders event .
CAUSE ITS ALL COMING DOWN ON JESUS DAY . Hey what kind of man would i be
if i said nothing and just watched them all head right to the day of their own destruction .
IF i said nothing , if i had not warned
THIS is the man i would have been . A HATER OF GOD and OF HIS CHRIST and OF HUMANITY .
YOU know the same name the false ones CALL ME RIGHT NOW and yet have no idea
I have come to help them . WATCH OUT one and WATCH OUT ALL , we are being FLEECED BIG TIME in this last hour .

 

[amigo de christo]

Get them noses outta ya leaders doctrines
And back into THAT BIBLE . And do not wait for tomorrow
DO IT RIGHT NOW . they been pumping a false love to you all .
And by this love , by this bridge building love
by this seeker friendly love
by this ecumenical love , THEY BE leading ALL who sit under them
TO ONE DAY . and no it wont be the day of peace n safety , THOUGH THEY H OLLER this is the way to IT .
IT will be the DAY of their swift , sudden and upmost terrifying day of DESTRUCTION .
Get them OUTTA them places . Get all back into the bible and now . or prepare to weep is all i can say .

 

[TLHKAJ]

Sister, you be encouraged in the Lord, I am sure this all must be triggering for you.

I'm not triggered. I just know what I know.

God has given everyone a choice between good and evil, and life and death. He has told us to CHOOSE LIFE. That doesn't mean He condones when someone does evil.

Trump's involvement in child trafficking has extended into present day, which is why he had to have his personal aircraft gutted and completely overhauled about 5 years back. Hands on eye witnesses said it smelled of human excrement.... NOT in the restrooms, but in the transport areas where people go.

I know some of his victims. Their testimonies to me are only confirmed by what little we've seen of the Epstein files, as well as other victims who have come forward, including William Sascha Riley, one of Trump's male victims.

Aside from these things, God showed me and told me that there is a powerful high level (fallen) entity that works through Trump to pull them under a spell. I believe God. I know His voice. And though (nearly) the whole world follow after Trump, I will still believe God. It only confirms what He showed me in 2016.

 

[Wrangler]

There is nothing good about Trump.

Terminal TDS. How come the diaspora Iranians all over the world dance in the streets at the end of the Ayatollah thanking President Donald J Trump if there is nothing good about him?

 

[Triumph1300]

Imagine living in 1969 when the US was involved in a useless war,
and sending people to the moon and the president was a crook.
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" History repeats it self."

 

[TLHKAJ]

Terminal TDS. How come the diaspora Iranians all over the world dance in the streets at the end of the Ayatollah thanking President Donald J Trump if there is nothing good about him?

Call it what you want. You'll find out how wrong you are... but probably too late.

 

[Wrangler]

Call it what you want.

I call it something about Trump that is good.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

So, this is the kind of language you use in order to convert people to the real Gospel of Jesus Christ.!?

Well.....I say good luck with that.
You will not convert a single soul with insults.

I do not try and convert anyone in fact ! I leave such to Christ Jesus !

So I do not support this worlds Gay agenda because such is clearly Satanic in fact !
Oh I do understand that not all Gays are not the same ! as some are just men who never became worthy of being a real man, but still only a Lost boy ! or such can be of a worse evil and promoting evil in fact ! but fool believe a lie ! Their is nothing good in being Gay, for they are all clearly Lost in fact ! and are clearly on the path to Hell ! so No, I do not support people to be lead into Hell !

People who clearly work so as to undermine Childrens minds, so as to become so Nazi like Dupes, clearly once again promoting depravity are all on the path that leads to Hell in fact !

See I clearly do not promote such as the likes of you peddle 1300 !

No it's not me, who tryes to convert anyone in fact, because no one can truly convert anyone in fact. I have never seen such in my life time ever ! no one ever converted me, they may of been some inspireation, but it's the religious Dupes who think that it's them who it's up to too convert another ? Like Islam convert or die ! or Communism convert or die ! or Socialism convert or be destroyed !

No I leave it up to the Holy Spirit, to do the work in others, that's best ! I do not ask or make demands to be listened to.

I once pointed out to my mates dad that he was a great inspiration in regards helping me to be on the path to be Saved. He directly pointed out it was not him who was the issue but that of Christ Jesus ! I said yes I know that in fact, but I am thankful of all that he had done was not invane.

Fact is that Jesus insulted them all in fact ! and That's why they the Religious dolts went after his blood in fact ! because they could not see past their own deceptions and delusions in fact !

I Pray that you wake up to yourself 1300 and snap out of it.

Now may I ask, Why do you support everything that is clearly Evil and depraved, like supporting Iran, you have to be joking right ?
They would only love to clearly kill the likes of you, if they had it their way. don't you even know that.
So you are supporting a Death Cult ! not to mention your lot are clearly no insperation of Virtue, or do you think that you are promoting people to be of Virtue.

Do people like you claim that I am the problem with in regards Gays, do you ? as if I do not understand the foundations of such issues ?
I do not have to go far to find any clearly Carnal idiot that is on the same Page as your lot promote and push, it's the same ends in fact.

Do I have to put up with such as the Bigoted ego driven stupid pathetic, so called values promoted by the poor depraved stupid pathetic Dupes, that are promoteing or demanded of all such nonsense, like some sort of idiot Nazi moron intent to only lord it over all, that are in fact clearly of this world !

Or am I wrong about you ? Or does the Truth hurt ? so live a lie, is truly what your ilk promote.

Happy Easter Bunny you all !

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Don't talk to me about historical nihilism.

Nihilism, I first came across such people, they were brain dead Germans.

 

[Lizbeth]

I call it something about Trump that is good.

Hitler did a lot of good for his country (at least until the war) and was adored by many. But he clearly wasn't a good man.

It would be a good thing if the Iranian regime gets toppled with this war, for the Iranian people and the Middle East situation in general, but that wouldn't mean Trump is a good man.

 

[Lizbeth]

I'm not triggered. I just know what I know.

God has given everyone a choice between good and evil, and life and death. He has told us to CHOOSE LIFE. That doesn't mean He condones when someone does evil.

Trump's involvement in child trafficking has extended into present day, which is why he had to have his personal aircraft gutted and completely overhauled about 5 years back. Hands on eye witnesses said it smelled of human excrement.... NOT in the restrooms, but in the transport areas where people go.

I know some his victims. Their testimonies to me are only confirmed by what little we've seen of the Epstein files, as well as other victims who have come forward, including William Sascha Riley, one of Trump's male victims.

Aside from these things, God showed me and told me that there is a powerful high level (fallen) entity that works through Trump to pull them under a spell. I believe God. I know His voice. And though (nearly) the whole world follow after Trump, I will still believe God. It only confirms what He showed me in 2016.

I believe you about him having that kind of spirit. I listened to a good chunk of that interview you linked....enough to get the idea (4 hours is too long for me to listen to the whole thing). But I think you are not understanding what I'm saying....wish I could explain it better.....I'm not condoning anything.

 

[TLHKAJ]

I believe you about him having that kind of spirit. I listened to a good chunk of that interview you linked....enough to get the idea (4 hours is too long for me to listen to the whole thing). But I think you are not understanding what I'm saying....wish I could explain it better.....I'm not condoning anything.

I know, sister. I apologize if I came across that way.

 

[Jack]

Islam is at war with a secular nation.
The "Country of Israel" is no difference than any other western nation.
Most are not 'Born again Believers.
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Israel is not a "Christian Country", it is totally secular with a small group of Christian.

"Israel" is "t h e C h u r c h of Jesus Christ.
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Our Salvation only comes through the Lord Jesus Christ.
NOT through a nation.
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Luke 1:68
68 "Blessed is the Lord God of Israel, For He has visited and redeemed His people,

 

[Jack]

Islam is at war with a secular nation.
The "Country of Israel" is no difference than any other western nation.
Most are not 'Born again Believers.
--------------------------------
Israel is not a "Christian Country", it is totally secular with a small group of Christian.

"Israel" is "t h e C h u r c h of Jesus Christ.
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Our Salvation only comes through the Lord Jesus Christ.
NOT through a nation.
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IOW, you don't have a clue where Jesus will return! It's called ISRAEL, the Land of the Bible. They are Home to STAY! BILLIONS of Israel wannabees can't move Israel from the Land of the Bible!!!

 

[Wrangler]

There is nothing good about Trump.

How come the diaspora Iranians all over the world dance in the streets at the end of the Ayatollah thanking President Donald J Trump if there is nothing good about him?

Hitler did a lot of good for his country (at least until the war) and was adored by many. But he clearly wasn't a good man.

It would be a good thing if the Iranian regime gets toppled with this war, for the Iranian people and the Middle East situation in general, but that wouldn't mean Trump is a good man.

Appeal to Strawman. The claim was not that Trump was not a good man but that there was nothing good about him. You confess that it would be a good thing if the Iranian regime gets toppled with this war - and by extension, that means there is something good about Trump.

Putting that aside, you've posted a negation, offering no acceptance criteria. How does this shoe fit: you and @TLHKAJ aren't good women and no matter how you reply, the response is a negation; "that doesn't mean you're a good woman?" Is there even such a thing as a good woman? And if there is not, what meaning does it have to claim that a man is not good? Or the claim that there is nothing good about a man?

Let's connect the illogical dots to the thread OP:

• Trump is a good man because he supports Israel.
• Israel should not be supported and anyone who does is not good.

In my reply to @TLHKAJ, I offered the diaspora Iranians all over the world dancing in the streets celebrating the end of the Ayatollah thanking Trump as evidence that there is good about Trump. Of course, I could offer 100's of reasons that show a lot of good about Trump, including the Israeli love of the man, knowing he supports them more than any POTUS in history, in bringing hostages home, taking out Iran, recognizing Jerusalem as the capital, etc. Some would say getting hostages released from Islamic Jihadi's is something good about a man - unless you're a total man hater.

 

[Lizbeth]

Appeal to Strawman. The claim was not that Trump was not a good man but that there was nothing good about him. You confess that it would be a good thing if the Iranian regime gets toppled with this war - and by extension, that means there is something good about Trump.

Putting that aside, you've posted a negation, offering no acceptance criteria. How does this shoe fit: you and @TLHKAJ aren't good women and no matter how you reply, the response is a negation; "that doesn't mean you're a good women?" Is there even such a thing as a good women? And if there is not, what meaning does it have to claim that a man is not good? Or the claim that there is nothing good about a man?

Let's connect the illogical dots to the thread OP:

• Trump is a good man because he supports Israel.
• Israel should not be supported and anyone who does is not good.

In my reply to @TLHKAJ, I offered the diaspora Iranians all over the world dancing in the streets celebrating the end of the Ayatollah. Of course, I could offer 100's of reasons that show a lot of good about Trump, including the Israeli love of the man, knowing he supports them more than any POTUS in history, in bringing hostages home, taking out Iran, recognizing Jerusalem as the capital, etc. Some would say getting hostages released from Islamic Jihadi's is something good about a man - unless you're a total man hater.

How about I try to put it this way. One can agree with certain policies a politician has, without endorsing the politician himself. Like one can agree with some doctrines a particular church teaches, without endorsing or recommending that church itself because of other problems the church has that are too major to be overlooked.

 

[Lizbeth]

IOW, you don't have a clue where Jesus will return! It's called ISRAEL, the Land of the Bible. They are Home to STAY! BILLIONS of Israel wannabees can't move Israel from the Land of the Bible!!!

Nobody is here to stay. Life is short. And this world also has an expiry date, known only to the Father.

Psa 102:25-26

Of old hast thou laid the foundation of the earth: and the heavens are the work of thy hands.

They shall perish, but thou shalt endure: yea, all of them shall wax old like a garment; as a vesture shalt thou change them, and they shall be changed


Isa 51:6

Lift up your eyes to the heavens, and look upon the earth beneath: for the heavens shall vanish away like smoke, and the earth shall wax old like a garment, and they that dwell therein shall die in like manner: but my salvation shall be for ever, and my righteousness shall not be abolished.


Mat 5:18

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.


Heb 1:10-12

And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:

They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment;

And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.


2Pe 3:10-13

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

[Jack]

Nobody is here to stay. Life is short. And this world also has an expiry date, known only to the Father.

Oh gee, do I really need to explain? I'll let God explain:

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; ...
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

 

[Lizbeth]

Oh gee, do I really need to explain? I'll let God explain:

Amos 9:14-15
14 I will bring back the captives of My people Israel; ...
15 I will plant them in their land, And no longer shall they be pulled up From the land I have given them," Says the LORD your God.

If anyone thinks that contradicts all the scriptures which speak of the end of this world they better try again.

That passage is fulfilled to Israel in the spiritual/heavenly realm only through the gospel. The promised land was the land of rest from slavery and bondage......allegorically it is speaking of the kingdom of God.. The Israel of God (which believing Gentiles also belong to) is rescued from being captives of the devil and bondage of sin and will never be pulled up out of the kingdom of God. The Israel of God belongs to the kingdom of God and always will. As opposed to "Israel after the flesh". Here we seek no continuing city. Abraham confessed he was a stranger and sojourner IN THE LAND....just passing through it.