Should we as Christians support the State of Israel ?

[Jay Ross]

Such as God saying He would bring Israel back as a nation which He did in 1948

In Genesis 15:16 God told Abraham this about his descendants: -

Genesis 15:16: - 16 “But in the fourth generation/age they{i.e. Abraham’s descendants} shall return here, for the iniquity of the Amorites is not yet complete.”

4,000 solar years after the birth of Isaac in 2052 BC, in 1948 AD the tribe of Judah returned to the Land of Canaan in their own strength which is a fact.

 

[Jay Ross]

No, you are speaking of the "god" that rejects God's Word which is the devil, the "god" of this world.

Just because you have a differing opinion on the Hebrew and Greek text and how it is understood in English does not give you the right to make the quoted statement about the God that I worship.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

Just because you have a differing opinion on the Hebrew and Greek text and how it is understood in English does not give you the right to make the quoted statement about the God that I worship.

The God of the Bible said He would bring Israel back as a nation and He did that in 1948

What did your god do?

 

[Jay Ross]

The God of the Bible said He would bring Israel back as a nation and He did that in 1948

What did your god do?

And you did not understand the significance of Genesis 15:16. 1948 occurred 4,000 years after the Birth of Isaac and 96 years before the visitation of the fathers on their children and the children's children was completed and the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob was in a position to begin gathering the Israelites to Himself and to plant them in His fertile soil and begin teaching them on the mountain, i.e. religion, of Israel.

1948 also occurred 96 years before Isaiah 24:21-22 will occur when God will judge the kings of the earth of their part in the Little Horns trampling of God's Sanction and His earthly Hosts and that at the same time He will remove the Beasts on the face of the earth for many days to await the time of their punishment.

1948 also occurred 96 years before the Summer Season of 1,000 years of the harvest of souls will commence.

All of the above can be confirmed in the scriptures.

Now I am speaking what the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob will be doing shortly without any reference to any other god as you are falsely suggesting that I am doing.

Shalom

 

[Dan Clarkston]

These 10 Bible prophecies were fulfilled in 1948 when Israel became an independent, united nation for the second time in history, and for the first time in 2,900 years.

Jacob’s descendants would regain control of Israel

Bible passage: Amos 9:14-15
Written: about 750 BC
Fulfilled: Since 1948

Israel would be brought back to life

Bible passage: Ezekiel 37:10-14
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: 1948

Isaiah spoke of a Israel being reborn in one day

Bible passage: Isaiah 66:7-8
Written: perhaps between 701-681 BC
Fulfilled: 1948

Israel would be re-established as a united nation

Bible passage: Ezekiel 37:21-22
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: 1948

The second Israel would be more impressive than the first

Bible passage: Jeremiah 16:14-15
Written: sometime from 626 to about 586 BC
Fulfilled: 1948

Ezekiel predicted when Israel would be re-established

Bible passage: Ezekiel 4:3-6
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: 1948

The people of Israel would return to “their own land”

Bible passage: Ezekiel 34:13
Written: between 593-571 BC
Fulfilled: after May 14, 1948

God would watch over the people of Israel

Bible passage: Jeremiah 31:10
Written: sometime from 626 to about 586 BC
Fulfilled: 1948, etc.

Israel’s army would be disproportionately powerful

Bible passage: Leviticus 26:3, 7-8
Written: perhaps around 1400 BC
Fulfilled: 1948-49, 1967, etc.

The fortunes of the people of Israel would be restored

Bible passage: Deuteronomy 30:3-5
Written: perhaps 1400 BC
Fulfilled: 1948, etc.

 

[Aunty Jane]

So that’s why Christians can’t support Israel - cuz my lack of love.

No Wrangler....Christians cannot support the violence of satan’s world.....we have no monkeys in that circus.

You wanna be a monkey? That is your decision.....God observes that circus, but he didn’t run it....his plans are going ahead exactly as he stated.

Nope. The great Persian culture will continue, hopefully without the oppressive Islamic contagion.

“The great Persian Empire” will not continue any more than any other nation ruled by sinful and corrupt humans......once God’s Kingdom “comes” to rid the earth of racial and religious divisions, only peace loving Christians will remain to restore God’s original purpose for this earth. (Isa 55:11; Rev 21-2-5)

1 John 2:17...
“...the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.” (ESV)
Hollman’s translation renders that verse...
“...the world with its lust is passing away, but the one who does God’s will remains forever.” (HCSB)

So who will “remain” when others are gone.

This is what Psalm 37:7-11, written by King David, says....

“Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for Him; Do not fret because of him who prospers in his way, Because of the man who brings wicked schemes to pass. Cease from anger, and forsake wrath; Do not fret—it only causes harm. For evildoers shall be cut off; But those who wait on the Lord, They shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while and the wicked shall be no more; Indeed, you will look carefully for his place, But it shall be no more. But the meek shall inherit the earth, And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.” (NKJV)

David was used by God to fight Israel’s enemies....yet he knew what it meant to “wait on the Lord” if he wanted victory over those enemies....can you “wait on the Lord “ Wrangler? Or are you ‘fretting because of him who prospers’ and ‘brings his wicked schemes to pass’? Are you rushing in with all guns blazing only to find yourself a loser in the big battle?

Not sure what kind of pacifist angle you are working. Satan is spirit and he's destined for the Lake of Fire. Putting aside your false spiritual/carnal dichotomy, that is the righteous use of violence.

And once again you completely ignore the fact that God does not sanction the violence perpetrated by one nation against another in a world ruled by the devil. Jesus told us that earthly Jerusalem and Mt Zion will no longer figure in his planned takeover of satan’s world (Dan 2:44) and He has identified a completely different “Israel” as his “people” in this “time of the end” that Daniel wrote about.

It has been presented to you so many times, but blinded eyes are not wanting to see what is obvious to others who put the Bible before their patriotism and bloodlust.

You will know one day how distorted your views are, but like the Israel you defend, will your stubbornness be your undoing? If only you would take the blinkers off....and see what is going on in this world from God’s perspective and understand why God is permitting it.
He doesn’t need the USA or any other militarised nation to save anyone. He can do it just fine on his own...making his own decisions on what he will do and intervening only when his purpose is served...but in the final showdown, near at hand, he will act with his own sanctioned military force....and reward those who demonstrated faith and patience without blood on their hands.

Wait and see....

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Jesus said when you call someone a fool you are in danger of hell fire.

Did you get fitted for that fire suit yet? Not that it's going to do you any good.




And in these so called modern enlightened time most claiming to be Christians are following heresy and as such are not worthy of the Lord or to be in the Body of Christ.

When one truly understands the issue of the Biblical point of why it is written as so in regards Fool must be understood in fact ! It was in regard to one who is of little faith ?
So to make demands on such a one, could rob them of what little is their of their faith ? That is the real issue, that your only being religious on that call in fact !

We are all Fools in fact, you should understand this ! who could clearly say one is not ! answer me that ! come on !
So, You never been a Fool ?

 

[Rockerduck]

No Wrangler....Christians cannot support the violence of satan’s world.....we have no monkeys in that circus.

You wanna be a monkey? That is your decision.....God observes that circus, but he didn’t run it....his plans are going ahead exactly as he stated.

“The great Persian Empire” will not continue any more than any other nation ruled by sinful and corrupt humans......once God’s Kingdom “comes” to rid the earth of racial and religious divisions, only peace loving Christians will remain to restore God’s original purpose for this earth. (Isa 55:11; Rev 21-2-5)

1 John 2:17...
“...the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.” (ESV)
Hollman’s translation renders that verse...
“...the world with its lust is passing away, but the one who does God’s will remains forever.” (HCSB)

So who will “remain” when others are gone.

This is what Psalm 37:7-11, written by King David, says....

“Rest in the Lord, and wait patiently for Him; Do not fret because of him who prospers in his way, Because of the man who brings wicked schemes to pass. Cease from anger, and forsake wrath; Do not fret—it only causes harm. For evildoers shall be cut off; But those who wait on the Lord, They shall inherit the earth. For yet a little while and the wicked shall be no more; Indeed, you will look carefully for his place, But it shall be no more. But the meek shall inherit the earth, And shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.” (NKJV)

David was used by God to fight Israel’s enemies....yet he knew what it meant to “wait on the Lord” if he wanted victory over those enemies....can you “wait on the Lord “ Wrangler? Or are you ‘fretting because of him who prospers’ and ‘brings his wicked schemes to pass’? Are you rushing in with all guns blazing only to find yourself a loser in the big battle?

And once again you completely ignore the fact that God does not sanction the violence perpetrated by one nation against another in a world ruled by the devil. Jesus told us that earthly Jerusalem and Mt Zion will no longer figure in his planned takeover of satan’s world (Dan 2:44) and He has identified a completely different “Israel” as his “people” in this “time of the end” that Daniel wrote about.

It has been presented to you so many times, but blinded eyes are not wanting to see what is obvious to others who put the Bible before their patriotism and bloodlust.

You will know one day how distorted your views are, but like the Israel you defend, will your stubbornness be your undoing? If only you would take the blinkers off....and see what is going on in this world from God’s perspective and understand why God is permitting it.
He doesn’t need the USA or any other militarised nation to save anyone. He can do it just fine on his own...making his own decisions on what he will do and intervening only when his purpose is served...but in the final showdown, near at hand, he will act with his own sanctioned military force....and reward those who demonstrated faith and patience without blood on their hands.

Wait and see....

God has always used humans to conquer territories and destroy others. Nebuchadnezzar was God's servant. God used Assyria to exile Israel. God used Cyrus to bring back the exiles. On and On. God is using President Trump right now.

 

[Triumph1300]

We are all Fools in fact.

"We"....that is you and your buddies on this forum.
First time you got something right.

 

[Triumph1300]

God has always used humans to conquer territories and destroy others. Nebuchadnezzar was God's servant. God used Assyria to exile Israel. God used Cyrus to bring back the exiles. On and On. God is using President Trump right now

More Old Testament blood bath worshipping.
Have you heard about Jesus Christ and His Gospel?
When will you guys stop your war mongering and pay attention.
Stop worshipping the guy in the White House and his "Praise to Allah" ( Easter quote from Trump last weekend.)

 

[Triumph1300]

Latest news:

Trump backed out of his latest plans.
No bombing back into the Stone Age.
And Iran is still in control of the Straight!

 

[TLHKAJ]

Latest news:

Trump backed out of his latest plans.
And Iran is still in control of the Straight

He already violated the latest "ceasefire." No one trusts the son of satan to speak the truth anyway ....well, except his followers. But he lies through his forked tongue just like his father, the devil.

 

[Wrangler]

He already violated the latest "ceasefire."

A fact free post.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

This whole world is under the sway of the wicked one (the prince/god of this world), as John wrote. It is Satan's kingdom....that is why it is appointed to wrath - for good reason. I'm only recently really realizing and facing just how wicked this world is.......because the rulers of it, the ruling elites, worship Satan/Ba'al/Lucifer in heinously evil and wicked ways...they get their power and wealth from him. That is what Satan tempted Jesus with in the wilderness....all the kingdoms of the world had been given to the devil to rule (when he was Lucifer in the beginning) and he could give it to whoever he pleases. And he is only pleased with those who worship him and do his will. This is why we more often see the wicked prospering with wealth and power in this life more than the meek and humble. Notice that Noah didn't change the world, he rescued souls OUT OF IT so to speak, before the wrath/flood was poured out. Jesus said His kingdom is not of this world.......we are looking for an heavenly eternal kingdom, not an earthly one.

Western civilization, aka "Christendom" has enjoyed only a few generations of relative peace and general prosperity and egalitarian government, only a short space of time in terms of history......just enough to be a witness to the world, I believe, and then the falling away (happening now), and soon after this the end will come.

Be thankful that you never lived under the Communist or the Nazis ! because that is what this world is on the path of !
So you want to wake up to yourself !

Evil is always about, but the carnal religious never lead anyone Christ Jesus ! You Must be born again in fact !

Religious people are just as Lost as any Caranal dupe in fact ! for they are clearly not Saved in fact ! so they are not worthy of God in fact !

You are only religious ! and a Death Cult !

For, Jesus clearly came for who on this earth ? One needs Virtue !
Bible points out what was on earth was called Paradise ! one problem tho, is Sin ! and the people who are not Saved are under the power of Sin ! that's the whole issue !
So Your suppoprting Sin !

I am of the Kingdom of God ! Saved !

Satan tempted Jesus ? Jesus was never tempted at all in fact ! show me where Jesus was tempted ! not one jot !
Show me were Jesus defeted the Devil ? Jesus just exposed Satan for who he truly only is in fact ! and that for us to understand the real issue and able to deal with such !

Jacob became Israel for very good reason and it's all about Jacob becoming Israel, that's the Key to understanding what Israel is all about! But religious morons claim the Tribe is Israel ?
So who does Jacob Israel Serve ?
And who did the tribe of Israel Serve ? not always Israel ! for they clearly lacked such faith as Jacob Israel !
Then we see in Nathaniel, Jesus called him a True Israel ? for very good reason in fact because he was worthy of such ! and what would he see ? come now if you do not know that you are clearly not Saved !

Do you serve Idolitry for gods or lack Virtue !
If one lacks Virtue one is clearly a Slave !

People who sit on their ass waithing for the 2ed coming are not Saved because such are clearly not Saved ! remeber them coins given and what did people do with such ? as if one had a talent and did not use that gift ?
So you claim no, I will just sit on my ass and watch evil grow out of control !

That type sat on their ass and let the Holocaust be ! yes are the likes of you are guilty of it ! do not lift a finger you all, because does Liz think all Evil is the same ? So go bash someone just for the hell of it ? or rape people ? it's all the same ? is it !
Yes people just sit back and be so sumg in your self rightiousness.

I thought that the Kingdom of God was here on earth ? as the Bible points out who can not enter in fact ! they can not enter because they are clearly not worthy of Christ Jesus in fact !

Now in regards the Saints ! were they all jelly backs that peddled end of times, do nothing ! lets hope it to all fail ! was that their message ? Give your wife and children no regard ?

Oh Marriage becomes a what now ! Oh what a blessing = with a partnership now ! Oh the Satanic outright whoredom ! I am trying to look for where the Virtue is in that ! Oh boy's now come under the same whoredom ! you must Idolise it all nowadays of else.
Oh Yes you all are under delusions ! Cant see that is an abomination, can we ?

Why did you all not stand up to such a whoredom ! are let it slide man it's all good and just go back to sleep, Jesus will fix it up one day because we embrased whoredom. Oh not to mention who sells a lie, like when some morons claim to be born again, by the hand of man ? or idolise a Priest who is in fact childmolester. they were in fact clearly looked after by the Church ! Why ! well such People were clearly dead or clearly some sort of Vampire.

 

[Aunty Jane]

Be thankful that you never lived under the Communist or the Nazis ! because that is what this world is on the path of !
So you want to wake up to yourself !

Have you never given thought to those who were living in those nations under evil regimes and who suffered for their Christianity? When the apostles received threats and imprisonment, they did not retaliate, but humbly submitted to the authority who persecuted them....was that cowardice....or true courage in demonstrating absolute faith in God and his Christ? (Rom 12:17-21) There are many as we speak, who are imprisoned for their faith in those nations under despots and dictators.

You are only religious ! and a Death Cult !

Aren’t you and your cronies the only ones advocating for death here? No Christians are sanctioned by God to commit murder. “Thou shalt not kill” means “you must not murder”.....that is the unlawful taking of human life. What was the lawful taking of human life? It was under God’s authority to take a life because his law was violated......murder under God’s law carried the death penalty. Was the executioner a murderer?

God has appointed his judge and executioners in this time of the end.....and none of them are humans.

I am of the Kingdom of God ! Saved !

Perhaps you are mistaken.....you are not “saved” until you are.....the Kingdom of God is not ruling the earth as yet....it will be soon, and not a single warmonger will be among its citizens....just the peaceful Christians who have obeyed the Christ rather than their political leaders.

Satan tempted Jesus ? Jesus was never tempted at all in fact ! show me where Jesus was tempted ! not one jot !
Show me were Jesus defeted the Devil ? Jesus just exposed Satan for who he truly only is in fact ! and that for us to understand the real issue and able to deal with such !

Yes...show us where Jesus used violence on the devil....or on any of his opposers?....he just corrected them with Scripture....he knows that the head wound that is coming for the devil will be fatal......but it’s not God’s time yet. The real issue seems to escape you entirely. The real heroes are the ones who will take a bullet for their fellow Christians....but will never fire one.

Oh Yes you all are under delusions ! Cant see that is an abomination, can we ?

Perhaps it’s you who needs to wake up....what delusions are you under?

Maybe we can see an abomination that is not on your bloodstained radar at the moment.....we see further than your knee jerk response to what the world is doing right now. Nothing is as it appears.....the picture is much bigger than you can imagine. God will expose it all in his due time.....and you will see clearly what you have been giving support to....

 

[ProDeo]

God is using President Trump right now.

How can you possibly know that.

Which prophet of God did say that?

Bush Jr. said he was led by God to attack Iraq, do you believe that?

 

[Aunty Jane]

God has always used humans to conquer territories and destroy others. Nebuchadnezzar was God's servant. God used Assyria to exile Israel. God used Cyrus to bring back the exiles. On and On. God is using President Trump right now.

Are you another one stuck in OT mentality? We are not old covenant Jews....we are new covenant Christians....God hasn’t sanctioned a war since the days of ancient Israel....by the time Jesus walked the earth, Rome was in control of the “holy land” and the Jews were oppressed under Roman law...they didn’t even have a military force back then. Any Jew who joined the army were fighting with the enemy.....like tax collectors, they were despised.

There is no precedent for a “Christian” army nor any “Christian” nation.....those in the early centuries who fought in the Crusades were not Christians; they were under the authority of the Roman church....whose behaviour was anything but Christian. Just because a war is religiously motivated, doesn’t mean that God will intervene.....he is permitting the rulership of the devil, (which involves the whole world. 1 John 5:19) to give satan “enough rope”.....soon the end of that rope will mean the end of all wars...but it will not be at the hands of man.

 

[ProDeo]

Are you another one stuck in OT mentality? We are not old covenant Jews....we are new covenant Christians....God hasn’t sanctioned a war since the days of ancient Israel....by the time Jesus walked the earth, Rome was in control of the “holy land” and the Jews were oppressed under Roman law...they didn’t even have a military force back then. Any Jew who joined the army were fighting with the enemy.....like tax collectors, they were despised.

In fact the Jews did.

The Jewish rebellions against Rome (66–136 CE) were a series of major revolts driven by a desire to restore Judean independence and religious freedom. Key conflicts included the First Revolt (66–73 CE), which saw the destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 CE

Example of another not God ordered war -> punishment.

 

[Jack]

Well, you certainly do not understand God's purposes for Israel then, do you?

Why don't you tell us?

Zechariah 14:12
12 And this shall be the plague with which the LORD will strike all the people who fought against Jerusalem: Their flesh shall dissolve while they stand on their feet, Their eyes shall dissolve in their sockets, And their tongues shall dissolve in their mouths.

 

[Jack]

LOL….You ignorance is an absolute joke….

I'm not JW!

you know nothing about anything biblical except what you want it to say……well, “the proof of the pudding” as they say, “is in the eating”….
I wonder how many will be eating “crow” as their last meal?

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Bye bye Aunty.

You do realize that the flood was brought by God alone….

No kidding?

Noah had no part in that….his job was to save lives…his own family worked with him tirelessly for many decades building the means of their salvation and that of the animal kingdom. He did exactly what he was told to do, and he saved himself and his family….why did no one else survive Jack? Because he was a lone voice in a wicked world…..the humans had adopted the wickedness around them as their normal way of life…..Noah was the exception. He didn’t want to be part of that world.…a world that God had no choice but to eliminate them from existence and start fresh.

Totally evasive, as usual for JW's!

Are you part of the world Jack? Are you supporting earthly kingdoms or are you a neutral supporter of God’s Kingdom? Do you even know what God’s Kingdom is? Please tell us….

I know God's Kingdom isn't in Kingdom Hall that twists the HELL out of nearly every verse in the Bible.

Do you relish the thought of God torturing souls in “hellfire”…for all eternity?

No, I don't want MILLIONS of JW's to burn in Hell. Do you?

That is not who God is…he has no reason or desire to torture anyone, in fact when his ancient people fell to sacrificing their children in a fire to a false god, he was repulsed at the mere thought of it. (Jer 7:31) Why then would he do that to his own children?

Tell us the verses that Jesus mentioned THE FIRE Aunty. Do you even know? Do you need permission from the WatchTower?

From the JW bible: Rev 20 They will be tormented day and night FOREVER ...

Haven't you read the JW bible Aunty?

I ask these questions, not expecting a scriptural answer because you know nothing about Scripture…

I just quoted Jesus twice. Want more? Ok!

Matthew 13:49-50
49 So it will be at the end of the age. The angels will come forth, separate the wicked from among the just, 50 and cast them into the furnace of fire. There will be SCREAMING and gnashing of teeth.

you just parrot off what others say that appeals to you…..you demonstrate your ignorance with every post….childish to an alarming degree for an adult….let alone a Christian.

I 'parrot' Jesus. You parrot the WatchTower.

Jesus will soon tell us all if we have it right, or whether we are just kidding ourselves….that condition seem to be epidemic in today’s completely divided world…..and it remains undiagnosed until death is immanent. (Matt 7:21-23) There are no second chances here….Jesus’ rejection is permanent. Imagine if it’s you on the wrong side of the issue of God’s Universal Sovereighty?

“Payday” is coming Jack….

I don't think JW's are gonna like "Payday" Aunty.

Matthew 25:41
41 Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

but it has no resemblance to the picture you have in your mind…..watch out for what is “dead ahead”….yourself.…that is the Bible’s warning. (1 Cor 10:12)

Why don't you quote Scripture? Do you need WatchTower permission? Here's more for you Aunty:

Revelation 21:8
8 All liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone,

I just quoted the Bible 5 times. You quoted ZERO Aunty. Your accusations are like the Dems. You do exactly what you accuse others of doing, and worse!