ISLAM IS NOT THE REVELATION BEAST

[Davy]

The great tribulation will be 1335 days long. Any longer and no flesh upon earth will survive.

Nope. You are confusing the two time periods that occur after... the latter half 1260 days of the Daniel 9:27 "one week" (7 years, or 2520 days).

The 1290 days is after Jesus has returned, and will involve the 'cleansing' of the temple, which means He will build the future "sanctuary" of Ezekiel 40-43, to replace the 3rd temple to be built for false-Messiah that Jesus will destroy at His coming.

Then the 1290 days is another extended period that will fulfill the 45th Psalm with Christ as King in His new Sanctuary and His assigning of His elect as priests and kings.

He shortened the time of "great tribulation" to "five months", which will be about the 'stinging' by the locust army of Revelation 9.

 

[Douggg]

The Salvation covenant is something very different and is not associated with the Jer 31:31ff covenant.

Jay, I looked up the exact phrase for "Salvation covenant" in the kjv. And there was no results.

 

[Douggg]

Nope. You are confusing the two time periods that occur after... the latter half 1260 days of the Daniel 9:27 "one week" (7 years, or 2520 days).

The 1290 days is after Jesus has returned, and will involve the 'cleansing' of the temple, which means He will build the future "sanctuary" of Ezekiel 40-43, to replace the 3rd temple to be built for false-Messiah that Jesus will destroy at His coming.

Then the 1290 days is another extended period that will fulfill the 45th Psalm with Christ as King in His new Sanctuary and His assigning of His elect as priests and kings.

He shortened the time of "great tribulation" to "five months", which will be about the 'stinging' by the locust army of Revelation 9.

Davy, make a timeline chart that displays the time frames of how things fit together.

 

[Davy]

Davy, make a timeline chart that displays the time frames of how things fit together.


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I don't need to make charts. God's written Word is simple enough.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Your rebuttal is a rebuttal based on the false argument of personally attacking the writer and not on any content in my post.

It wasn't a rebuttal. Isn't it clear that I was saying that I don't know what you were intending to say? How can I give a rebuttal to something that made no sense? I'm trying to get you to be more clear in what you're intending to say. Are you just not able to do that?

Your reference to a refreshed covenant is in regard to the Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and His Possession among the Nations Covenant made with the nation of Israel at Mt Sinai. Jeremiah 31:31ff references this same covenant in that the nation of Israel rebelled against God by rejecting this covenant while Moses was still up on the Mountain with God.

Are you saying that you don't believe the following is referring to the better new covenant replacing the old covenant?

Hebrews 8:6 But now He has obtained a more excellent ministry, inasmuch as He is also Mediator of a better covenant, which was established on better promises. 7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, then no place would have been sought for a second.

The Salvation covenant

Salvation covenant? Do you mean the new covenant? Use terms that scripture uses so that I can know what you're talking about.

is something very different and is not associated with the Jer 31:31ff covenant. The process for the Salvation Covenant was changed when Christ was nailed to the cross and was crucified as atonement for all of our collective sins.

In both referenced covenants the process by which the respective covenants would be administrated has been changed but the words of the actual covenants have not.

You continue to be vague in your comments. I guess you have no interest in anyone understanding what you're talking about.

 

[Douggg]

I don't need to make charts. God's written Word is simple enough.

You look at maps, right ? For example, you look at a map of Israel. And all of the middle east, to show the location relationship of countries in the bible that are against Israel - like Iran. Yet, the bible does not have any maps in its written word.

Like a map, time line charts of events show the relationship of how events will take place.

So learn how to make time-charts to map out how events are going to take place in respect to each other.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, I looked up the exact phrase for "Salvation covenant" in the kjv. And there was no results.

Just because you know how to do a word/phrase search of the scriptures does not mean that you actually know what you are looking for as is evident in your many diagrams.

 

[Jay Ross]

Are you saying that you don't believe the following is referring to the better new covenant replacing the old covenant?

I told you in my post above which covenant was being referred to in Jer 31:31ff and in Hebrews 8:6-7. That Covenant was the renewal of the Exodus covenant of a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and God's possession among the nations Covenant.

The covenant that God intends to renew with the Nation of Israel, in about 20 years' time from now, has been refined on the margins but it is still basically the same covenant.

Salvation covenant? Do you mean the new covenant? Use terms that scripture uses so that I can know what you're talking about.

I am referring to covenant Jesus referenced in Matthew 13:52 for those who have ears to hear and eyes to see what He had stated. The covenant, by which we will be redeemed to gain our salvation at the time of the final judgement has been refreshed by the Blood of Christ spilt on the cross to bring about a new process by which the ancient covenant will be administrated.

I do not believe in the "Brand New Covenant" that many "Christians" hold onto in their hope of being judged as righteous.

However, I do believe in the refreshed Salvation Covenant from the time of Adam and the changed process by which we will be redeemed and given our salvation.

You continue to be vague in your comments. I guess you have no interest in anyone understanding what you're talking about.

Actually, I am being very straight in my posts. It is just that you are having trouble unlearning what you believe is true and accepting God's process of how to become one of His Saints, shoulder to shoulder with the Israelite who are also being redeemed in our near future.

In fact, the Israelites will lead many into a firm relationship with Christ, based upon the foundational truth that Jesus is the Son of God. They will show many gentiles the way that they must goes to reach Zion.

 

[Douggg]

I told you in my post above which covenant was being referred to in Jer 31:31ff and in Hebrews 8:6-7. That Covenant was the renewal of the Exodus covenant of a Kingdom of Priests, a Holy Nation and God's possession among the nations Covenant.

Jay, the new covenant in Christ is not a renewal of the Mt. Sinai covenant. The Mt. Sinai covenant was limited to the children of Israel. And the Mt. Sinai covenant was never a covenant for eternal life.

The new covenant in Christ is for eternal life - available to all who turn to Christ for their Salvation.

Salvation in Christ is two part.

The first part is the redemption of our soul the moment we turn to Christ for salvation from our sins.

The second part is the redemption of our body in the resurrection (of the dead in Christ) and rapture (of the living in Christ).

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, the new covenant in Christ is not a renewal of the Mt. Sinai covenant. The Mt. Sinai covenant was limited to the children of Israel. And the Mt. Sinai covenant was never a covenant for eternal life.

But the scriptures I referenced does point only to the Kingdom of Priests, a Holy nation and His Possession among the nations Covenant being renewed with Israel.

Peter disagrees with you when he had this written: -

The new covenant in Christ is for eternal life - available to all who turn to Christ for their Salvation.

I disagree that there is a brand-new covenant for eternal life as you are suggesting. That covenant has been there since the time of Adam, only the process by which it is administered has been changed over the ages.

We will be Blessed by the Israelites if and only if we inhabit God fertile soil/field.

Dougggg doe you inhabit God's fertile soil.

Shalom

 

[Douggg]

I disagree that there is a brand-new covenant for eternal life as you are suggesting. That covenant has been there since the time of Adam, only the process by which it is administered has been changed over the ages.

Jay, do a word search for the exact phrase match "eternal life" in the online kjv bible. There are no results in the old testament. There are 26 results in the new testament.

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, do a word search for the exact phrase match "eternal life" in the online kjv bible. There are no results in the old testament. There are 26 results in the new testament.

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Romans 6:23 tells us that the wages of sin is the second death but the gift of God is life everlasting through Christ Jesus, our Lord.




So what is the point you are trying to make.

 

[Douggg]

Romans 6:23 tells us that the wages of sin is the second death but the gift of God is life everlasting through Christ Jesus, our Lord.

So what is the point you are trying to make.

The covenant for eternal life is not in the old testament, but in the new testament.

 

[Jay Ross]

The covenant for eternal life is not in the old testament, but in the new testament.

Douggggggggggg you can believe whatever you want to believe.

 

[Douggg]

Romans 6:23 tells us that the wages of sin is the second death but the gift of God is life everlasting through Christ Jesus, our Lord.

Jay, what translation are you copying and pasting from ?

No translation I could find says "the second death".

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, what translation are you copying and pasting from ?

No translation I could find says "the second death".

That is because you do not know how to look for what is important and the context that you need to understand.

You need to answer the question of what the consequences are, at the time of the final judgement, for sinning against God. The occurrence of the understanding that the second death has been mentioned many times in the NT is obvious for those who have eyes to see.

 

[Douggg]

That is because you do not know how to look for what is important and the context that you need to understand.

You need to answer the question of what the consequences are, at the time of the final judgement, for sinning against God. The occurrence of the understanding that the second death has been mentioned many times in the NT is obvious for those who have eyes to see.

Jay, what translation are you using ?

 

[Jay Ross]

Jay, what translation are you using ?

I have a better understanding of the scriptures than you do irrespective of the translation that you might be using.

 

[Douggg]

I have a better understanding of the scriptures than you do irrespective of the translation that you might be using.

What translation are you using ? The NKJV ?

 

[LoveYeshua]

What translation are you using ?

kjv Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

it is important to use many versions and the Greek for the NT . For proper understanding but most of all Let the Holy Spirit guide you.