Reason for The Crusades explained

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Matthias

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Without the defense of Europe against Muslim invasion the whole of Europe would have been overrun by Islam. …

God, I‘ve suggested, defended Europe and Christianity. It wasn’t overrun by Islam. He used men who did not follow the teaching and example of Jesus to defeat men who did not follow the teaching and example of Jesus to accomplish his purpose.

... Theirfore I praise my ancestors for saving Europe and saving Christianity

Always obey the instruction and example of Jesus (and the apostles) is my message. God may still use those who don’t.

P.S.

I praise my ancestors - and the ancestors of others - when they follow / followed the teaching and example of Jesus and the apostles.
 
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Always obey the instruction of Jesus is my message. (God could have used gnats, or even Muslims, to save Europe and Christianity.)

P.S.

I praise my ancestors - and the ancestors of others - when they followed the teaching of Jesus.
Glory be to the Great Crusaders for saving Europe from Muslim invasion
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Glory be to the Great Crusaders for saving Europe from Muslim invasion
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The glory goes to God and to the Messiah, not to the disobedient Crusaders. They were every bit as evil and vicious as were the Muslims, and in some cases worse.
 

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“Treat the Muslim like the Muslim treats you (and worse)” isn’t the teaching of Jesus and the apostles.
 

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From my X / Twitter “For you” feed this afternoon -

“We are not called to proclaim philosophy and metaphysics, but the simple gospel. Man’s fall, his need of a new birth, forgiveness through atonement, and salvation as the result of faith, these are our battle-ax and weapons of war. - Charles Spurgeon”


The Crusaders had a different “battle-ax and weapons of war“ in their hands.

”We [followers of Jesus] do not use the weapons of the world,” said Paul. The Crusaders?

Shame, not glory, is reserved for those who don’t follow the instruction of Jesus and Paul.
 

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The glory goes to God and to the Messiah, not to the disobedient Crusaders. They were every bit as evil and vicious as were the Muslims, and in some cases worse.
We've been through this remember?
You admitted that it's ok to defend yourself

All hail those brave men for saving Europe from Islamic terror. Without them none of us would be here
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The Crusaders imposed terror on Muslims, as well as on Jews and Byzantine Christians.

Imposing terror on those who impose terror on you isn’t the teaching of Jesus and the apostles, nor was it their practice.
 

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@Armour of God would you say that the phrase “harmless as doves” is an appropriate description of Muslims?

Would you say that the phrase “harmless as doves” is an appropriate description of the Crusaders?

Would you say that the phrase “harmless as doves” is an appropriate description of the apostles and followers of Jesus?
 

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Yes, but not with the weapons of the world.

You wouldn't be here if it wasn't for those brave Crusaders.

They fought valiantly and many sacrificed their lives just so you can be here, living in good times, peacefully, not fighting any war, not under any oppressed governments, not under Islamic regimes, practising your religion, safely displaying your beliefs.

That's why I find you to be an extremely ungrateful and disrespectful person. You would be nothing if it wasn't for their sacrifice.
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You wouldn't be here if it wasn't for those brave Crusaders.

You don’t know that. I would be wherever God wanted me to be.

They fought valiantly and many sacrificed their lives just so you can be here, living in good times, peacefully, not fighting any war, not under any oppressed governments, not under Islamic regimes, practising your religion, safely displaying your beliefs.

They would have killed me, a believing Jewish monotheist, on sight, just as they killed unbelieving Jewish monotheists on sight.

They raped, tortured, killed and plundered Muslims, Jews, Byzantine Christians and even fellow Roman Catholics. You should look into the atrocities they committed.

That's why I find you to be an extremely ungrateful and disrespectful person.

Thank you for letting me know. I had no idea that you feel that way about me. The feeling isn’t mutual.

You would be nothing if it wasn't for their sacrifice.
NOTHING

I am something because God has great plans for those who obey the teaching of Jesus and the apostles.
 

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**Were the causes of the Crusades rooted in the invasion of Persia, the invasion of the Islamic world, or earlier historical reasons?**

**The causes of the Crusades were not rooted in the invasions of the ancient Persian Empire. Instead, they were directly triggered by the military expansion of the Islamic world at the time, specifically the rise of the Seljuk Turks, which posed an immediate and major threat to the Byzantine Empire and Christian pilgrimages.**

The causes of the Crusades are multi-layered, and your question touches on different time dimensions. Here is a detailed breakdown:

### 1. Were there earlier historical reasons?

**Yes, but they were not decisive.** An important background is the rise of Islam in the 7th century and its rapid military expansion.

- **7th-century Islamic expansion:** In the 7th century, Jerusalem, Syria, Egypt, and other regions belonging to the Eastern Roman (Byzantine) Empire were conquered by the emerging Arab Caliphate. Over the following century, Islamic forces continued to expand, occupying North Africa, Spain, and more.
- **Conflict from the 8th to 11th centuries:** For centuries afterwards, Christendom and the Islamic world engaged in continuous warfare and rivalry along Europe’s borders (e.g., Spain, Sicily).

These events shaped a long-standing hostility within Christendom toward Islamic powers and a general desire to reclaim lost lands. However, this general wish did not directly cause the Crusades; a more immediate "spark" was needed.

### 2. The immediate trigger: The rise of the Seljuk Turks

The direct trigger of the Crusades was neither the Persians nor the earlier Arabs, but the **Seljuk Turks**, who rose to power in the mid-11th century.

The Seljuks were originally a nomadic people from Central Asia. After converting to Islam, they became powerful and acted as a key catalyst:

- **Military threat:** In **1071**, the Seljuks decisively defeated the Byzantine Empire at the **Battle of Manzikert** and quickly seized control of large parts of Asia Minor (modern-day Asian Turkey).
- **Disruption of pilgrimages:** After capturing the holy city of Jerusalem, the Seljuks blocked the long-established pilgrimage routes for European Christians and harassed or extorted the pilgrims. This directly offended the religious sentiments of all Christendom.
- **Byzantine plea for help:** Facing the relentless advance of the Seljuks, Byzantine Emperor Alexios I Komnenos was forced to appeal for aid from the Pope in Rome and the kingdoms of Western Europe.

### 3. Internal forces within Western Europe

Long-standing tensions and an immediate threat needed a strong internal push from Western Europe to ignite. The Pope skillfully integrated these various needs into the call for the Crusades.

- **Papal ambition:** Pope Urban II responded positively to the Byzantine plea. His goals were not only to recover the Holy Land but also, more deeply, to use the Crusade as leverage to strengthen control over secular monarchs and knights, reduce internal warfare in Europe, and attempt to heal the Great Schism of 1054 between the Roman Church and the Eastern Orthodox Church.
- **Motivations of knights:** At the time, Western European nobility practiced primogeniture (inheritance by the firstborn son). Many younger, landless knights were eager to plunder wealth and acquire land through warfare.
- **Religious fervor of the common people:** The Crusade was framed as an "armed pilgrimage." The Pope promised a "full indulgence" (remission of punishment for sins) to all who participated. For the struggling masses desperate for salvation, this was an irresistible attraction.

A comprehensive view of historical research summarises the motivations for the Crusades as a combination of three major contemporary trends: **religion, war, and greed**.

**In summary, the origins of the Crusades can be traced back to the 7th-century expansion of Islam (long-term cause), but the direct force that put the sword in the hands of Western Europe was the **direct military threat and religious offense** posed by the 11th-century Seljuk Turks (i.e., the "invasion of the Islamic world") against the Byzantine Empire and Christian holy sites.**

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Thank you for letting me know. I had no idea that you feel that way about me. The feeling isn’t mutual.

Ungrateful and disrespectful.
That's exactly how I feel about you and anyone who doesn't respect the people who have sacrificed themselves, split their blood and died for us in these wars. All you do is disrespect them by pissing on their graves like an ungreatful spoilt little brat.

Yesterday was a day of rememberence in my country and everyone shows respect to the ones that served and died.

I know I would be nothing without the sacrifices of these men of the world wars and Crusades. I commemorate their sacrifices and hold them in high regard by being greatful and showing respect, for they fell and spilt their blood for us be here.

Something that you don't understand
 

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Ungrateful and disrespectful.
That's exactly how I feel about you and anyone who doesn't respect the people who have sacrificed themselves, split their blood and died for us in these wars. All you do is disrespect them by pissing on their graves like an ungreatful spoilt little brat.

Yesterday was a day of rememberence in my country and everyone shows respect to the ones that served and died.

I know I would be nothing without the sacrifices of these men of the world wars and Crusades. I commemorate their sacrifices and hold them in high regard by being greatful and showing respect, for they fell and spilt their blood for us be here.

Something that you don't understand

I understand much more than you think I do.

The Crusaders didn’t kill for me, nor did they die for me.
 

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Let God judge it.

He will.

Our viewpoints are all somewhat biased and cannot represent true fairness.

“Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.”

I grew in wisdom and knowledge from hearing @Armour of God tell me what he really thinks. I appreciate that he took the time to do so. He caused me to think, and I thank him for that.
 

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He will.



“Out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.”

I grew in wisdom and knowledge from hearing @Armour of God tell me what he really thinks. I appreciate that he took the time to do so. He caused me to think, and I thank him for that.
Many things I don't want to explain anymore. Humans always misunderstand the words in books.
God did not say that people cannot resist aggression. This has already been stated in the Quran. Humans can resist aggression, but the limit is to defend their territory; it cannot go beyond this limit.
But the Bible clearly states that you should love your enemies, and so on.
Therefore, it is very difficult for humans to clearly define exactly what this boundary is.
And IMO, the Islam does not represent the Quran the book. As the most Jews don't represent the Bible. Same as the Christian.
 
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Glory be to the Great Crusaders for saving Europe from Muslim invasion
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That's historically inaccurate. The Crusades did NOT stop Muslim expansion into Europe.

That was done by the rulers of Hungary and Romania on the Eastern border, and by the Franks in Gaul (Spain).
 

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We should all be greatful to the brave men that defended the Muslim invasion of Europe. For without them there would be no Christians, there would be no Jews, there would be none of us, there would only be Islam everywhere.
In one afternoon, Pope Innocent the third killed more Christians than the Roman Army in over 1,000 year did. Now who has blood on their hands