Reason for The Crusades explained

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Big Boy Johnson

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Same would also apply when some smeared vets as baby killers when returning from Vietnam

If a child is pointing a gun at you or is about to throw a hand grenade at you... you have one of two choices.

Treat the child as the enemy combatant that they are and shoot them, or you can do nothing and let the child kill you.

The moslems like to keep their weapons and operational bases down in the basements underneath schools and hospitals.

That's too bad because if we don't hit them in their weapons depots and operation centers then they will continue their murderous ways so sometimes there is going to be collateral damage and it's not pretty. Oops!
 

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Self defense is not a sin.

Feel free to let the demon possessed to murder you and your family if you must.

The rest of us aren't going to lay down and let the devil destroy us
IF we followed his desires, we would have had Nazi Germany ruling over us to this very day
 

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If a child is pointing a gun at you or is about to throw a hand grenade at you... you have one of two choices.

Treat the child as the enemy combatant that they are and shoot them, or you can do nothing and let the child kill you.

The moslems like to keep their weapons and operational bases down in the basements underneath schools and hospitals.

That's too bad because if we don't hit them in their weapons depots and operation centers then they will continue their murderous ways so sometimes there is going to be collateral damage and it's not pretty. Oops!
Isn't Jesus though going to slay all of his enemies i n the end battle, blood up to horses bridel?
 
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IF we followed his desires, we would have had Nazi Germany ruling over us to this very day

Yes, if the devil had his way Adolph Hitler would have been the anti-christ.

And the liberals would have rejoiced!


Isn't Jesus though going to slay all of his enemies i n the end battle, blood up to horses bridel?

In the end most people will end up in hell.

Matthew 7:13,14
Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

And when He returns to Earth He's coming with vengeance - 2 Thessalonians 1:8-12
 

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Same would also apply when some smeared vets as baby killers when returning from Vietnam

Soldiers kill children. The conscientious objector didn’t kill anyone.

Neither a soldier who kills his enemy nor conscientious objectors who don’t is “a man in form but not substance.”
 

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IF we followed his desires, we would have had Nazi Germany ruling over us to this very day

My desires aren’t the issue. The Messiah’s are.

Followers of Jesus obey his teaching on how to treat our enemies. You don’t know that Nazi Germany would have won the war if the followers of Jesus obey him. God can use those who don’t obey the Messiah to defeat nations like Nazi Germany.
 

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I had always heard about The Crusades in a negative way. But in this video, Bob from Speaker's Corner in London, explains why The Crusades started. They were in response to centuries of Islamic invasion of many Christian countries.
many are now being prepared unto that which is of anti christ and its solution for to attain world peace.
AND SOON in the eyes of this so called love religoin of ecumeincalsism
ALL who conformed not will be seen as n o less dangerous THAN RADICAL ISLAM .
Cease now my friend . THE crusades were b ad news . JESUS never told the church to PUT to the sword anyone .
Many have been hoping in TRUMP for far too long . And whether or not its trump , ITS GONNA BE SOMEONE
enforcing the new CRUSADES and it will BE WORLD WIDE .
GET OUT of it . Debp get away from an ything ecumeinacal and its intefaith now . OR ITS GONNA TAKE YOU TOO .
 
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If a child is pointing a gun at you or is about to throw a hand grenade at you... you have one of two choices.

Treat the child as the enemy combatant that they are and shoot them, or you can do nothing and let the child kill you.

The moslems like to keep their weapons and operational bases down in the basements underneath schools and hospitals.

That's too bad because if we don't hit them in their weapons depots and operation centers then they will continue their murderous ways so sometimes there is going to be collateral damage and it's not pretty. Oops!

I hope you’ll take a minute to use the link to read the story about one of my best friends. He faced the very thing you described in Afghanistan.

Post in thread 'I Was But Now I Am'
I Was But Now I Am
 

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He told me a few brief stories, and they were horrific. He had killed men, women and children. The children were the hardest on him. He saw one of his best friends blown up by a child who came running up to him - to give him a hug, they thought.

He told me that he hated those people with a burning passion. He spoke about them using language that was very uncharacteristic for him. He killed combatants and he killed non-combatants. And he said he would do it again in a heartbeat. No remorse. No compassion. No mercy.

One day not long after he came back to work, I was in a break room in the building where we worked together. The door was closed. My friend walked through the door to get a cup of coffee; I was standing at the sink, getting a cup of water. Without thinking anything about it, I thrust my hand into the air and said, “Hey, Ron! How …” I didn’t get any further than that. My friend turned into a monster. He was on me so fast that I didn’t have time to finish my greeting. Just as he was about to put his hands around my tnroat, he stopped. He was sweating profusely. He was breathing rapidly. He was terrified and terrifying.

I was shocked. He recovered pretty quickly, but it felt like forever to me. I didn’t know what to say or do. He apologized and told me never to do that again. He said that I didn’t realize just how close he had come to killing me. He added that he didn’t even see me initially; he saw a mujahideen. He said he sees them everywhere. In every shadow, in every loud noise, in every creaking floorboard or rustling curtain. His wife and son live in constant fear of what he might do. He knows he’s dangerous and is taking prescribed medication.

He told me that he was going to have to go back in the hospital for treatment. He was admitted (actually readmitted) to a psychiatric unit a day later and I‘ve never seen or spoken with him since. I don’t know where he is now or what he’s doing.

He told me some things that he said were important, so I’ll share a few of them with you: 1. Don’t ever join the military. 2. Don’t ever ask a combat veteran to tell stories about the war. 3. He would rather be dead than to have his son, or anyone else’s son or daughter, go through what he had gone through. 4. He was a changed man; not the same man I had known before, and never would be that man again. 5. He was a Christian went he left; he came back an agnostic (not atheist) killing machine. 6. Don’t do what he did. Learn from his tragedy.

When he said "He told me that he hated those people with a burning passion", that's how the devil got in and took control.

If we hate others and refuse to forgive others then we we shall in fact reap corruption which is sadly what happened to this guy

Before he went over there as a Christian he had very little if any sound biblical teaching concerning how the Kingdom of God functions and due to a lack of having the fear of God in him before going over there it was fairly easy for the devil to enter in to him and control him which is what hate for other people causes and is what refusing to forgive causes.

It's definitely a sad situation for sure.

If I were a betting man, I'd be willing to bet that before he went over there he was following reformed theology and may have embraced once saved always saved doctrine both of which results in no fear of the Lord

The fear of the LORD is...

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD IS the beginning of knowledge: but fools despise wisdom and instruction.

Proverbs 8:13
The fear of the LORD IS to hate evil: pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, and the froward mouth, do I hate.

Psalm 19:9
The fear of the LORD IS clean, enduring for ever: the judgments of the LORD are true and righteous altogether.

Having the fear of the leads people to understand that if they sow to the flesh they shall reap corruption meaning they will become unrighteous before the Lord and will no longer be saved.

I can only speak for myself, but I refuse to harbor hatred or refuse to forgive any person regardless of what they have done to me or my loved ones because if I don't forgive and I walk in hate then I would be turning away from the Lord and bowing the knee to satan who would be my new master.

This is what happens when a believer starts walking after the flesh

Romans 8:13
For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die:
but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live
 
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“… now appoint a king to lead us, such as all the other nations have.”

(1 Samuel 8:5)

In the words of countless high school history teachers, read the story; learn the lesson.

“… a consequence of nationhood has been to make the Jews like other nations. To sustain and defend their state, they have had to use the world’s methods, and to have recourse to force that their neighbors have used against them. The dream of a fruitful, peaceful nation that drew the early Zionists has not been allowed realization. Subjected to attack, Israel has had to make itself stronger and more effective in the use of force than its surrounding enemies. This has aroused cries of moral outrage abroad as if Israel had introduced something new and horrid into the relations of states and into the affairs of men.”

(Barbara W. Tuchman, Bible and Sword. p. xv)

Primitive (or Apostolic) Christianity went in a different direction: “We do not use the weapons of the world” (2 Corinthians 10:3).

Ante Nicene Christianity held the Apostolic line on the weapons of the world. With the coming of Constantine, Nicene Christianity let go of the line.

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“We want to be like the nations, like the peoples of the world, who serve wood and stone.”

(Ezekiel 20:32)
 
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Primitive (or Apostolic) Christianity went in a different direction: “We do not use the weapons of the world” (2 Corinthians 10:3)

And yet Jesus instructed people to obtain a deadly weapon. Weird.

Luke 22:36
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Reckon Jesus was not aware of what swords are used for?
 
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And yet Jesus instructed people to obtain a deadly weapon. Weird.

Luke 22:36
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Reckon Jesus was not aware of what swords are used for?

No. Jesus was fully aware. You haven’t correctly identified the reason he gave the instruction, nor have you addressed what he said when Peter used it.

Where has that led you? It has led you to make exceptions to his instruction on how his followers are to treat their enemies. It has led you to advocate using the weapons of the world, which Paul unequivocally states the followers of Jesus don’t do.

You might or might not be able to save your life by killing your enemies with the weapons of the world but you aren’t obeying the instruction of Jesus and Paul.
 

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Why do those who quote Luke 22:36 not quote Luke 22:37-38?
 

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You haven’t correctly identified the reason he gave the instruction

Actually I have, it was for the purposes of self defense.

You do understand that swords are a deadly weapon designed to injure or kill people right?

It has led you to make exceptions to his instruction on how his followers are to treat their enemies.

Back to ignoring that Jesus told folks to get themselves a deadly weapon.

He actually said that and you cannot explain it away.

You might or might not be able to save your life by killing your enemies with the weapons of the world but you aren’t obeying the instruction of Jesus and Paul.

Jesus is above Paul and Jesus indicates that using weapons for self defense is not sinful.
If it was then you are claiming Jesus committed sin by telling people to get a deadly weapon.

You can't have it both ways

Now we should not "trust" in weapons and should only use them in extreme circumstances.

In Matthew 26:52 Jesus said "he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword" so trusting in weapons and putting them before trusting God ends badly. And yet Jesus did say to get a sword so there is a balance between these two instructions.

You are also ignoring the fact the Jesus is God's Word and many times in the old testament the Word of the Lord instructed God's people to take up arms and kill their enemies out of self defense.

So you are obviously claiming The Lord has been involved in sinful behavior.

Proverbs 11:1
A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.

For someone to say Christians should never ever have or use weapons is in the ditch on one side, and those claiming we should be armed and begging for opportunity to kill someone is in the ditch on the other side,

The Truth is to be balanced and have the weapon but not want to have to use it.

Then there is the matter of conscience. If your conscience won't allow you to own a weapon then fine, but you are in error to try and put your conscience upon others and try to dictate to them what they should do.

Other people are not your servants so you have no right to dictate to them on this issue, although I'm sure you will continue to try heavy shepherding tactics to attempt to gaslight others.
 

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And yet Jesus instructed people to obtain a deadly weapon. Weird.

Luke 22:36
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one.

Reckon Jesus was not aware of what swords are used for?
Just dust collectors?
 

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Actually I have, it was for the purposes of self defense.

You do understand that swords are a deadly weapon designed to injure or kill people right?



Back to ignoring that Jesus told folks to get themselves a deadly weapon.

He actually said that and you cannot explain it away.



Jesus is above Paul and Jesus indicates that using weapons for self defense is not sinful.
If it was then you are claiming Jesus committed sin by telling people to get a deadly weapon.

You can't have it both ways

Now we should not "trust" in weapons and should only use them in extreme circumstances.

In Matthew 26:52 Jesus said "he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword" so trusting in weapons and putting them before trusting God ends badly. And yet Jesus did say to get a sword so there is a balance between these two instructions.

You are also ignoring the fact the Jesus is God's Word and many times in the old testament the Word of the Lord instructed God's people to take up arms and kill their enemies out of self defense.

So you are obviously claiming The Lord has been involved in sinful behavior.

Proverbs 11:1
A false balance is abomination to the LORD: but a just weight is his delight.

For someone to say Christians should never ever have or use weapons is in the ditch on one side, and those claiming we should be armed and begging for opportunity to kill someone is in the ditch on the other side,

The Truth is to be balanced and have the weapon but not want to have to use it.

Then there is the matter of conscience. If your conscience won't allow you to own a weapon then fine, but you are in error to try and put your conscience upon others and try to dictate to them what they should do.

Other people are not your servants so you have no right to dictate to them on this issue, although I'm sure you will continue to try heavy shepherding tactics to attempt to gaslight others.

It’s foolish to pit Paul against Jesus. They are in agreement.

I’m not dictating to anyone. I’m discussing the teaching of Jesus and the apostles, using scripture and church history.

Since you’re convinced that you know the right thing to do (James 4:19) and cannot be persuaded otherwise, go and kill your enemies; teach others to kill their enemies too. I’m not the one you’ll have to explain your understanding and practice to.

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I was just reading about the martyrdom of Stephen. Where was his sword?

P.S.

An afterthought. How many of your enemies have you actually killed?
 
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I hope you’ll take a minute to use the link to read the story about one of my best friends. He faced the very thing you described in Afghanistan.
Someone I know and care about faced that situation in Afghanistan also - except he was the one who had to shoot the child. He came back from the war pretty messed up in the head. Cost him his family, a couple of jobs, some jail time...

I just question the morality of sitting on the sidelines keeping your hands clean while somebody else has to do the sh**ty work.
 
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