Reason for The Crusades explained

[Matthias]

Someone I know and care about faced that situation in Afghanistan also - except he was the one who had to shoot the child. He came back from the war pretty messed up in the head. Cost him his family, a couple of jobs, some jail …

Think of how many stories like this there must be.

I just question the morality of sitting on the sidelines keeping your hands clean while somebody else has to do the s***ty work.

“We [Christians] don’t use the weapons of the world.” - Paul

The morality of Apostolic Christianity.

 

[Lambano]

Think of how many stories like this there must be.

Sometimes you do what has to be done.

I've also known Christian cops who had to take lives in order to save lives. That's also a sh**ty job that has to be done.

 

[Matthias]

Sometimes you do what has to be done.

What a follower of the Messiah must always do is obey the Messiah and the apostles. When we don’t, it is sin.

I've also known Christian cops who had to take lives in order to save lives. That's also a sh**ty job that has to be done.

That’s the responsibility of the secular government to perform, not the followers of Jesus.

The church was clear about this until the time of Constantine.

 

[Wrangler]

Someone I know and care about faced that situation in Afghanistan also - except he was the one who had to shoot the child. He came back from the war pretty messed up in the head. Cost him his family, a couple of jobs, some jail time...

I just question the morality of sitting on the sidelines keeping your hands clean while somebody else has to do the sh**ty work.

I don’t question it but condemn it as the ultimate act of cowardice. I’m too morally superior to do the dirty work required for survival - literal and cultural. What a sorry excuse for a human being!

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

That's also a sh**ty job that has to be done.

You should REPENT for using profanity.
The Holy Spirit does not lead anybody to talk like that.

What a follower of the Messiah must always do is obey the Messiah and the apostles. When we don’t, it is sin.

Then we all need to buy at least one deadly weapon, maybe two:

Luke 22:36-38
Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise his scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell his garment, and buy one. (see Romans 13)
For I say unto you, that this that is written must yet be accomplished in me, And he was reckoned among the transgressors: for the things concerning me have an end.
And they said, Lord, behold, here are two swords. And he said unto them, It is enough.

That’s the responsibility of the secular government to perform, not the followers of Jesus.

Did you notice in the New Testament that the Lord is the One that authorized secular government???
If it's a sin to have a deadly weapon then you are accusing Jesus of committing sin when He told them to get a sword the second time He sent His disciples out. (Luke 22:36). Accusing Jesus of sinful behavior ends badly.

And you would be saying Romans 13 is advocating sin for the "servant of God" who bares the sword

Romans 13:4
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.

It's time to accept the whole counsel of God rather than the bits and pieces that you like.

The church was clear about this until the time of Constantine.

The Lord is clear in Romans 13 about the "servant of God" who bares the sword

I don’t question it but condemn it as the ultimate act of cowardice

You have no room to talk about others being cowards after what you said in the thread where you are protecting a pervert

You should not have been scared to do the right thing to protect others from the pervert.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The Lord has authorized the use of deadly force upon those that do evil.

Romans 13:1-6
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

 

[Wrangler]

You have no room to talk about others being cowards after what you said in the thread where you are protecting a pervert

You should not have been scared to do the right thing to protect others from the pervert.

One thing has nothing to do with the other thing. Hoarded of Islamic Jihadi’s killing, enslaving, raping and conquering millions of Christian’s for centuries. A kid confused about sexuality. Not the same. You lack proportiomality.

Justice among humans is all about balance, not wiping from the face of the Earth all vestiges of sin. A sad observation is the biggest victim of Islam are the Muslims who practice it.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

A kid confused about sexuality. Not the same. You lack proportiomality.

He's on his way... but you provided cover for him to continue his bad actions against others.

Justice among humans is all about balance, not wiping from the face of the Earth all vestiges of sin.

And yet when Jesus returns He's going to clean house.

I suppose you'll be claiming Jesus is unbalanced?

2 Thessalonians 1:7,8
And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ

 

[Lambano]

You should REPENT for using profanity.

Which is the greater obscenity - Using an English word for fecal matter that has arbitrarily been designated taboo, or having to shoot children who are being used by adults as improvised human bomb delivery systems?

 

[Lambano]

You should REPENT for using profanity.

The moderators have warned me about quoting Tony Campolo, though his observation about Christians who care more about using taboo words than they do about the obscenities being committed around us rings true.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Which is the greater obscenity - Using an English word for fecal matter that has arbitrarily been designated taboo, or having to shoot children who are being used by adults as improvised human bomb delivery systems?

It's not a sin to defend one's self.

If self defense were a sin, the God Himself would be guilty of sin as He has wiped out entire nations... including women and children... in self defense of His Covenant people Israel

In Vietnam the children were taught communism and they were willing combatants and in moselm countries they are taught islam and are willing combatants so if these children are going to get in to the fight then they become legitimate targets.

Profanity is a form of corrupt communication which God's Word tells us not to engage in.

Ephesians 4:29
Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth

 

[Matthias]

The Lord has authorized the use of deadly force upon those that do evil.

That’s right.

Romans 13:1-6
Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.

That’s the secular government.

The followers of Jesus have their commission / their work given by God and the secular government has its commission / its work given by God.

“We do not use the weapons of the world” is for the followers of Jesus; we use the weapons of the world is for the secular government.

 

[Matthias]

Fight the Messiah’s war in the Messiah’s way in the Messiah’s seasons.

How did he fight in the season when he was here? Paul copied him. The other apostles and the earliest followers of Jesus did too. So should all followers in the present evil age.

How will he fight in the season when returns? Paul will copy him then. So will all followers copy him then too.

The most resistance I ever received in response to a sermon I gave was to a sermon on the imprecatory psalms. The men in the congregation were divided and the women in the congregation were disturbed (not at the men; at the thought that sermon applied to them).

From my X / Twitter “For you” feed this morning -

“‘Imprecations’ in the Psalms aren’t an embarrassment to be managed. If you have a problem w / imprecations, the Bible isn’t the problem. You are!

If they make you uncomfortable, that’s no reason to avoid or edit - but to learn ‘how’ to preach them.

Join me in this @Logos article (linked in comments)”

(Daniel R. Hyde)

https://x.com/danielrhyde/status/2047706074716012755?s=46&t=T64e94h2unfHH-VO4i01zA

The pastor’s article - “Don’t Avoid Imprecatory Psalms: How to Preach the Cursing Prayers” - is well worth your time to read.

 

[Armour of God]

We should all be greatful to the brave men that defended the Muslim invasion of Europe. For without them there would be no Christians, there would be no Jews, there would be none of us, there would only be Islam everywhere.

 

[Matthias]

We should all be greatful to the brave men that defended the Muslim invasion of Europe. For without them there would be no Christians, there would be no Jews, there would be none of us, there would only be Islam everywhere.

Obeying the teaching of Jesus to his followers on conduct toward enemies would not have ended the existence of Christians, nor would it have resulted in there only being Islam everywhere.

Did God use those who didn’t follow the teaching of Jesus to defend Europe from Islamic invasion? I think it is fair to say that he did.

 

[Matthias]

In respect to the brave, who is braver? Those who obey the teachings of Jesus or those who do not?

 

[Wick Stick]

Did God use those who didn’t follow the teaching of Jesus to defend Europe from Islamic invasion? I think it is fair to say that he did.

:Stares vampirically:

 

[amigo de christo]

Obeying the teaching of Jesus to his followers on conduct toward enemies would not have ended the existence of Christians, nor would it have resulted in there only being Islam everywhere.

Did God use those who didn’t follow the teaching of Jesus to defend Europe from Islamic invasion? I think it is fair to say that he did.

Exactly . JESUS did not come to bring peace on earth , nor did he promise us WE would have PEACE in this world .
But rather triblations . OUR PEACE IS IN HIM , not this world . many saints have bled for JESUS throughout all times .
THEY preached JESUS and many even were put into prison and some killed for doing so .
THEIR MISSION was NOT a one world relgioin or a conquering by the sword .
THEY simply preached JESUS and those who heard amen and those who rejected THEY SHOOK the DUST OFF ag ainst them
and moved onwards . Notice JESUS did say To those who do reject
YOU shake the dust off as a testimony agianst them . THAT On JUDG MENT day it would b e worse for them
than ever it was for sodom .
BUT HE did not say OH if they dont hear , CRUSDADES , KILL THEM , conquer them . NO . vengeance belongs to GOD not man .

 

[amigo de christo]

We should all be greatful to the brave men that defended the Muslim invasion of Europe. For without them there would be no Christians, there would be no Jews, there would be none of us, there would only be Islam everywhere.

yeah rather save your thanks FOR GOD and FOR HIS CHRIST , HIS plan of salvation .
The popes and thier so called holy wars was for POWER and control .
blind leading the blind .
Now our duty IS to preach JESUS , THE DIRE NEED TO BELIEVE ON HIM . if one wont hear ,
DO shake the dust off your feet as a testmony against them , FOR IT WILL BE FAR worse for that soul than ever it was for sodom .
But DONT TRY and UNIFY with them . NOR call for crusades against them .
Time we bible up and follow JESUS and not men .

 

[Armour of God]

Obeying the teaching of Jesus to his followers on conduct toward enemies would not have ended the existence of Christians, nor would it have resulted in there only being Islam everywhere

Without the defense of Europe against Muslim invasion the whole of Europe would have been overrun by Islam. Theirfore I praise my ancestors for saving Europe and saving Christianity