Reason for The Crusades explained

[soberxp]

True islam is of anti christ . lets not defend it .
however the crusades were dead wrong .
The church is supposed to preach the gospel .
Now if one does not receive it then we shake the dust off our feet as move on . NO finding common ground .
We also do not rage war against the false religoins . We simply preach JESUS
and all sound doctrine . And we do and would correct the church in error .

The Quaran does tell them to kill non Muslims.
It tells them to kill people who won't convert to Islam.
It also says to kill people who leave Islam.
It also encourages them to wage war against people who are not Muslims.

yeah,right, and do the above to kill all non Christian.

 

[Wrangler]

Islam is a form of theocracy.....how is that working out?

When Jesus returns to rule for 1,000 years, will that be a theocracy?

 

[Matthias]

@Matthias

If it makes you feel any better the Crusades weren't very successful.

I’m well-read on the subject of the Crusades. (Among other things, I’m a retired adjunct college professor. And among the variety of subjects I taught is Church history.) It isn’t about me feeling better. It’s about obeying the teaching of Jesus and the apostles.

 

[Wrangler]

Wielding carnal weapons is not a good witness for those who are claiming Christ.

Yea, it's a much better witness for Christians to be wiped from the face of the Earth by those who wield carnal weapons!

Seriously, there is hardly a better witness to wield carnal weapons for those who are claiming Christ since that's what Christ told us to do.

 

[Wrangler]

we are only His servants, and the only job He gave us as His servants is to advance the kingdom of God

That's precisely what the Crusades did - advance the kingdom of God. There is more than one way to advance the kingdom of God and Scripture is filled with examples of using violence to achieve those ends. See the God commanded Conquest of Canaan. It's a story that you couldn't have missed.

 

[Lizbeth]

When Jesus returns to rule for 1,000 years, will that be a theocracy?

His reign is spiritual/heavenly............and I believe we are in it now.....the time of longsuffering before He comes that we are to account as salvation (2Peter 3). It is seen and entered into by faith, not by sight. Jesus said to the Jews who were expecting an earthly messianic reign, that His kingdom is NOT OF THIS WORLD, that we may say lo here it is, or there, but it is within us.

When He comes everything that can be shaken will be shaken until only what cannot be shaken remains....His kingdom can't be shaken/moved/removed because it is spiritual/eternal, not earthly/temporal:

Heb 12:25-29

See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:

Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.

And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.

Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear:

For our God is a consuming fire.

2Co 4:18

While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

 

[soberxp]

Every time God performs an action on Earth, it is always met with the death of foolish humans. Humans always misunderstand His words and then invent all kinds of strange and bizarre things.

He gives us the book, Bible, We developed Catholicism and Protestantism.

He gives us the book,the Koran. They say the book says It tells them to kill people who won't convert to Islam.
It also says to kill people who leave Islam.
It also encourages them to wage war against people who are not Muslims.
And The Christian countries thus waged war in an attempt to exterminate all those who might be Muslims.

Open your eyes and do you really Could read words and not a illiteracy or blind.

Open the book,the Koran, and read about it, if you can find that something above.
I have left my testimony until the final judgment of God.

 

[Lizbeth]

Yea, it's a much better witness for Christians to be wiped from the face of the Earth by those who wield carnal weapons!

Seriously, there is hardly a better witness to wield carnal weapons for those who are claiming Christ since that's what Christ told us to do.

I'd say there is no better or higher witness than the witness and example Jesus gave us....in being wiped off from the face of the earth, as you put it, for His faith and obedience to the Father.

He did not tell the church to take up carnal weapons, on the contrary we are told our weapons are NOT carnal. Jesus only directed His disciples to bring a sword with them at that particular time for a particular reason.....just as a deterrent to prevent them being arrested along with Himself. Being led by the Spirit/Christ.....wise as serpents but HARMLESS AS DOVES.

 

[Matthias]

@Armour of God,

Is Islam the religion of peace?

Is Christianity the religion of peace?

Are neither of them the religion of peace?

Is there any such thing as the religion of peace?

Should there be the religion of peace?

 

[Wrangler]

His reign is spiritual/heavenly............and I believe we are in it now.....the time of longsuffering before He comes that we are to account as salvation (2Peter 3).

Why can’t you simply answer yes, it will be a theocracy?

 

[Wrangler]

He did not tell the church to take up carnal weapons

The church? Strawman. He told his disciples To take up carnal weapons.

 

[Matthias]

“The biblical test case for love of God is love of neighbor; the biblical test case for love of neighbor is love of enemy. And you can’t love your neighbor-enemy by using a sword, a gun, or a hydrogen bomb against them.

But if you don’t agree with what Jesus believes about violence, you can always (ab)use the Bible to find an out. …”

“No More of This!” (Why Jesus Armed and Disarmed Peter) - Brian Zahnd - Brad Jersak

It’s soon after midnight. We’re in an ancient olive grove with a full moon shining through the boughs. Jesus is in anguished prayer. Disciples are nearby…sleeping. We hear angry voices. A mob is approaching bearing torches. Now they’re upon us and the torchlight reveals the mob is bearing...

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[Matthias]

“Why does Jesus arm his disciples with two swords? Actually Jesus tells us. … Jesus gives the reason for arming Peter and one other discipke when he says,

”For the time has come for this prophecy about me to be fulfilled: ‘He was counted among the rebels.’ - Luke 22:37

Jesus did not arm his disciples so they could fight; Jesus armed his disciples so that prophecy would be fulfilled and so he could disarm them! Jesus allowed those arresting him to falsely assume he was a violent revolutionary (as the prophesy in Isaiah says); but when his disciples actually attempted to employ violence, Jesus stopped them.

Disciples: “Lord, should we fight? We brought the swords!”
(Peter, not waiting for a reply, attacked a slave of the high priest with a sword, severing his ear.)

Jesus: “No more of this! Put away your sword!”
(Jesus then healed the one whom Peter had harmed.)

What did the early church believe was the lesson to be derived from this passage of Scripture? A second century Church Father put it this way:

”In disarming Peter, Christ disarms all Christians.” - Tertullian (160-220)

The next morning when Jesus was brought before Pilate, Jesus made it clear that his kingdom came from a different world than the one where people fight and kill their enemies. Jesus said to Pilate,

”My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my servants would be fighting.” - John 18:36

Because the kingdom of Christ doesn’t come from the bloody world of war, Jesus disarmed his disciples in the Garden of Gethsemane. A garden is no place for swords and spears anyway. Gardens are where we employ plows and pruning hooks. Followers of Jesus are called to be gardeners and healers, not combatants and killers. At least that’s what the church originally believed. …”

“No More of This!” (Why Jesus Armed and Disarmed Peter) - Brian Zahnd - Brad Jersak

It’s soon after midnight. We’re in an ancient olive grove with a full moon shining through the boughs. Jesus is in anguished prayer. Disciples are nearby…sleeping. We hear angry voices. A mob is approaching bearing torches. Now they’re upon us and the torchlight reveals the mob is bearing...

bradjersak.com

P.S.

The Crusaders did not act like the followers of Jesus did under the persecution of the Roman Empire in the first three centuries of Church history.

I’m a 1st century Christian living in the 21st century. I teach people to put away their swords - “No more of this!” - and follow Jesus of Nazareth, the Messiah, Son of the living God.

 

[amigo de christo]

Every time God performs an action on Earth, it is always met with the death of foolish humans. Humans always misunderstand His words and then invent all kinds of strange and bizarre things.

He gives us the book, Bible, We developed Catholicism and Protestantism.

He gives us the book,the Koran. They say the book says It tells them to kill people who won't convert to Islam.
It also says to kill people who leave Islam.
It also encourages them to wage war against people who are not Muslims.
And The Christian countries thus waged war in an attempt to exterminate all those who might be Muslims.

Open your eyes and do you really Could read words and not a illiteracy or blind.

Open the book,the Koran, and read about it, if you can find that something above.
I have left my testimony until the final judgment of God.

the god who inspired the koran , was and is another god all together . one that no man , no woman or child
should dare to follow .
The GOD who inspired the BIBLE . NOW HE IS GOD . its not his fault men loved power and to have the worship of men
THUS the RCC was born . That aint ON GOD friend , that one is on men . As is the mess we see in the protestant realm .
I suggest we return to the scriptures . As i am sure you would agree on that .
Lets learn That doctrine , that GOD , HIS CHRIST .
And do beware the ecumenical cup of a harlot who has many daughters who now do her will .

 

[amigo de christo]

“Why does Jesus arm his disciples with two swords? Actually Jesus tells us. … Jesus gives the reason for arming Peter and one other discipke when he says,

”For the time has come for this prophecy about me to be fulfilled: ‘He was counted among the rebels.’ - Luke 22:37

Jesus did not arm his disciples so they could fight; Jesus armed his disciples so that prophecy would be fulfilled and so he could disarm them! Jesus allowed those arresting him to falsely assume he was a violent revolutionary (as the prophesy in Isaiah says); but when his disciples actually attempted to employ violence, Jesus stopped them.

Disciples: “Lord, should we fight? We brought the swords!”
(Peter, not waiting for a reply, attacked a slave of the high priest with a sword, severing his ear.)

Jesus: “No more of this! Put away your sword!”
(Jesus then healed the one whom Peter had harmed.)

What did the early church believe was the lesson to be derived from this passage of Scripture? A second century Church Father put it this way:

”In disarming Peter, Christ disarms all Christians.” - Tertullian (160-220)

The next morning when Jesus was brought before Pilate, Jesus made it clear that his kingdom came from a different world than the one where people fight and kill their enemies. Jesus said to Pilate,

”My kingdom is not from this world. If my kingdom were from this world, my servants would be fighting.” - John 18:36

Because the kingdom of Christ doesn’t come from the bloody world of war, Jesus disarmed his disciples in the Garden of Gethsemane. A garden is no place for swords and spears anyway. Gardens are where we employ plows and pruning hooks. Followers of Jesus are called to be gardeners and healers, not combatants and killers. At least that’s what the church originally believed. …”

“No More of This!” (Why Jesus Armed and Disarmed Peter) - Brian Zahnd - Brad Jersak

It’s soon after midnight. We’re in an ancient olive grove with a full moon shining through the boughs. Jesus is in anguished prayer. Disciples are nearby…sleeping. We hear angry voices. A mob is approaching bearing torches. Now they’re upon us and the torchlight reveals the mob is bearing...

bradjersak.com

P.S.

The Crusaders did not act like the followers of Jesus did under the persecution of the Roman Empire in the first three centuries of Church history.

Lets look again at this last sentence . Now when we do allow me to add just a few words to it .
The crusaders did not EVEN REMOTELY act like the followers OF CHRIST . They followed men NOT CHRIST .
And that my friend is a solid fact . SO allow me some parting words .
Let no man f ollow the RCC and or any in even the protestant realm that speaks and lives contrary TO CHRIST .
Now before i get run off as a hate by many do allow me to give us a reminder of JESUS .
DO not resist evil . Forgive those who persecute you .
Beware of men in long robes who love to b e seen of men and have the praise of men .
GO YE into all the world and preach THE GOSPEL
, teaching them to OB SERVE ALL THINGS i have taught you .
He who beleives and is baptized shall be saved but he who BELEIVES NOT shall be DAMNED .
Not a one of them went around trying to find common ground with the lost or any false religoin .
THEY ALL preached and ALL POINTED TO JESUS CHRIST , teaching what HE said
THEY did not go ab out to find a means TO ATTAIN PEACE N SAFETY OF THE WORLD
THEY DID NOT DO as this abraham ecumeincal pope led and T RUMP led
DO . THEY DID NOT TELL all religoins we are serving the same GOD in d iffernt ways
and must come be one for world peace . NO , THAT IS OF ANTI CHRIST , WHO BY PEACE WILL DESTROY MANY .

 

[Matthias]

My parents are

The Crusaders were. Why aren’t you?

 

[amigo de christo]

“The biblical test case for love of God is love of neighbor; the biblical test case for love of neighbor is love of enemy. And you can’t love your neighbor-enemy by using a sword, a gun, or a hydrogen bomb against them.

But if you don’t agree with what Jesus believes about violence, you can always (ab)use the Bible to find an out. …”

“No More of This!” (Why Jesus Armed and Disarmed Peter) - Brian Zahnd - Brad Jersak

It’s soon after midnight. We’re in an ancient olive grove with a full moon shining through the boughs. Jesus is in anguished prayer. Disciples are nearby…sleeping. We hear angry voices. A mob is approaching bearing torches. Now they’re upon us and the torchlight reveals the mob is bearing...

bradjersak.com

let remind all about THE NUMBER ONE
The NUMBER ONE of w ho we should have LOVED above all . yes
even above our children , our spouses , everything . HIS NAME BE GOD HIS CHRIST IS JESUS .
You see if a man LOVETH GOD , CHRIST , HE had also LOVED HIS WORDS .
That man can see clearly on how TO LOVE HIS NEIGHBOR .
HE will not allow SIN upon him . no for ye shall not hate your neighbor in your heart YOU SHALL IN ANY way
CORRECT HIM and not allow SIN upon him .
That love would not KILL its enemies . IT had DONE as GOD DID
And what were we all once , ENEMIES and what DID GOD DO FOR US
WHY HE DREW US TO CHRIST of course , HE SAVED US . HE SAVED US . even though we were WORTHY OF DEATH .
SO i suggest folks go and do likewise . Preach the life saving life changing grace OF GOD OF CHRIST JESUS .
Never compromise a word . Let us learn of HIM . OH yeah ITS BIBLE TIME IN THE BUILDING .

 

[amigo de christo]

I'd say there is no better or higher witness than the witness and example Jesus gave us....in being wiped off from the face of the earth, as you put it, for His faith and obedience to the Father.

He did not tell the church to take up carnal weapons, on the contrary we are told our weapons are NOT carnal. Jesus only directed His disciples to bring a sword with them at that particular time for a particular reason.....just as a deterrent to prevent them being arrested along with Himself. Being led by the Spirit/Christ.....wise as serpents but HARMLESS AS DOVES.

Let us also notice that though JESUS had allowed it . And we all KNOW he knew what was going to happen ,
HE perhaps , though i dont know this for sure but only speculate ,
Might have allowed it FOR TO SHOW THEM ITS WRONG TO USE IT .
I mean HE SURE DID STOP THEM didnt he . NOT only that BUT HE HEALED MALCHUS whom peter had cut off his ear .
SO all i do know for sure is
JESUS always taught them NOT to defend themselves . TO not resist evil , TO forgive THOSE who even do persecute you .
TO even PRAY for them . And of course we see STEVEN DO JUST THAT .
WE see him not picking up and li ving by the stones or sword ,
No . we dont see him picking up rocks to fight back .
BUT WE DO SEE HIM SAYING , LORD HOLD NOT THIS SIN TO THEIR CHARGE .
We even see something within the days of paul and silas .
AN massive earthquake occured . The doors flew open
the jailor awoke . Unsheathed his sword to kill himself . Rather than allowing him to KILL himself
and then they all escape . SOMETHING ELSE occured . THEY S TOPPED HIM .
STOPPED HIM . YEah me thinks this state world led religoin of church and pope and church and trump
IS DEAD WRONG and has only prepared their own unto ANTI CHRIST who by peace
shall destroy many . AND THEY TOO will have zero problems with the NEW CRUSADES
as blood is spilled on the saints yet again . This generatoin IS IN DIRE TROUBLE sister .

 

[Wick Stick]

Your right, ultimately the Crusades didn't actually stop the Muslim invasion into Europe. They defended it and slowed it down.

But stopping the Muslim expansion into Europe was definitely part of the Crusade objective.

The problem with the Crusades is that they impressed a bunch of farmers into service as soldiers.

Creating an army without proper training or supplies and forcing them to travel across the world creates a situation where those people either die or become criminals. The choices are either (a) starve, or (b) raid the native population for resources the lord didn't/couldn't provide. Both of those happened in equal measures. The people who survived the crusade to the Holy Land were, by the time they got there, very bad men, having pillaged, plundered and raped their way across 2,000 miles.

 

[Matthias]

From my X / Twitter “For you” feed today -

“Even if you don’t believe in God or Christianity, what do you think your life would be like in an America if every church became a mosque?”

(Lara Logan)

https://x.com/laralogan/status/2048490767942115402?s=61

I believe in God and Christianity. However, since I’m persona non grata in most American churches, if every church in America became a mosque my life would be only marginally impacted.