Reason for The Crusades explained

[Wrangler]

Pillaging, plundering, etc. These weren't things that only the Crusaders did. It was part of warfare long before them and long after them

The other thing is framing the Crusaders always as the aggressors when they were reacting to centuries of pillaging, plundering, raping, enslaving and war mongering by the Islamic Jihadi's. The Crusaders do it a small fraction in response and the Muslims and their apologists have been whining about it ever since!

 

[Matthias]

@Armour of God your unitarian confederate on this subject believes and teaches the following: “You are not following Jesus if you are not armed, ready to kill.“

Are you armed, ready to kill? Is everyone whom you know and consider to be a follower of Jesus armed, ready to kill?

 

[Wrangler]

@Armour of God your unitarian confederate on this subject believes and teaches the following: “You are not following Jesus if you are not armed, ready to kill.”

Are you armed, ready to kill? Is everyone whom you consider to be a follower of Jesus armed, ready to kill?

Pacifism rejects the virtue of prudence.

Watched a vid over the weekend of a lawyer who played a vid from a story about 6 months ago. A crazy woman in a Walmart parking lot stabbed a 3 year old when the cart was at the back of the car and the mother put something in the front seat, i.e., separation of mother and child. I saw the headline of the story then but never the video. The crazy woman didn't use a small pocket knife. She used a chef's knife, which could easily kill the child.

The lawyer, who said he's carried a fire arm everyday of this adult life for the past 35 years, said this is why. Then he asked just how do you plan to stop this crazy woman from killing your 3 year old? And now, I ask it of you blind pacifists, unable to see how violence saves innocent lives.

 

[Matthias]

Pacifism rejects the virtue of prudence.

That’s false. You know that pacifism isn’t the same as passive and that pacifism covers a wide spectrum.

What you don’t know is that if Jesus ordered me to kill you, I would do so in a heartbeat.

Watched a vid over the weekend of a lawyer who played a vid from a story about 6 months ago. A crazy woman in a Walmart parking lot stabbed a 3 year old when the cart was at the back of the car and the mother put something in the front seat, i.e., separation of mother and child. I saw the headline of the story then but never the video. The crazy woman didn't use a small pocket knife. She used a chef's knife, which could easily kill the child.

The lawyer, who said he's carried a fire arm everyday of this adult life for the past 35 years, said this is why. Then he asked just how do you plan to stop this crazy woman from killing your 3 year old? And now, I ask it of you blind pacifists, unable to see how violence saves innocent lives.

 

[Armour of God]

What you preach is absolute nonsense.
We are called to stand and defend ourselves against evil.
We are not called to stand by and let evil take over. You would defend yourself so stop being a hypocrite by criticising others for defending against evil. We use the same weapons they do

What you don’t know is that if Jesus ordered me to kill you, I would do so in a heartbeat

Ye well did you know that the first king of Portugal had a vision of Christ that told him to go into battle, outnumbered against the Muslims 5 to 1, Christ assured him victory in the battle and the war.
So enough of your crap, you don't know what your talking about.

They defended themselves, in Gods name, instructed by Christ. And for that I'm greatful

 

[Matthias]

What you preach is absolute nonsense.

What I preach is obedience to the teaching of Jesus and the apostles in all circumstances.

We are called to stand and defend ourselves against evil.

I’ve addressed this multiple times with you.

We are not called to stand by and let evil take over. You would defend yourself so stop being a hypocrite by criticising others for defending against evil



Ye well did you know that the first king of Portugal had a vision of Christ that told him to go into battle, outnumbered against the Muslims 5 to 1, Christ assured him victory. So enough of your crap, you don't know what your talking about.

They defended themselves, in Gods name, instructed by Christ. And for that I'm greatful

 

[Matthias]

@Armour of God your unitarian confederate on this subject believes and teaches the following: “You are not following Jesus if you are not armed, ready to kill.“

Are you armed, ready to kill? Is everyone whom you know and consider to be a follower of Jesus armed, ready to kill?

He would kill me and he would kill you @Armour of God if the US government ordered him to. (He justifies it - which you would see in this thread if you took the time to do it - as “rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar’s.”) Would you kill me and would you kill him if the Australian government ordered you to?

 

[Armour of God]

What you don’t know is that if Jesus ordered me to kill you, I would do so in a heartbeat

So it is settled. According to yourself what my ancestors did was right. Ordered by Christ himself.

Viva Portugal
Viva os Cruzados

 

[Matthias]

So it is settled. According to yourself what my ancestors did was right.

What your ancestors did (mine did it too) was disobey the teaching of Jesus and the apostles on how followers of Jesus are to treat their enemies and respond to evil. It is never right to disobey the teaching of Jesus and the apostles, on this issue or any other.

Viva Portugal
Viva os Cruzados

He saw a vision but it wasn’t Messiah Jesus whom he saw in the vision.

 

[Armour of God]

What your ancestors did (mine did it too) was disobey the teaching of Jesus and the apostles on how followers of Jesus are to treat their enemies and respond to evil. It is never right to disobey the teaching of Jesus and the apostles, on this issue or any other.



He saw a vision but it wasn’t Messiah Jesus whom he saw in the vision.

Christ told him to do that. End of story

 

[Matthias]

Christ told him to do that. End of story

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Test the spirits (1 John 4:1). The real Messiah doesn’t contradict his own teaching.

 

[Matthias]

A painting of a US Civil War battle scene. That’s not what loving your enemy looks like @Armour of God.

 

[Armour of God]

Test the spirits (1 John 4:1). The real Messiah doesn’t contradict his own teaching.

You said you would kill someone if Christ told you to...
Well. That's exactly what the first king of Portugal did. Christ told him to and he did.
So that puts all your excuses to bed

Viva Portugal. A nation founded against the evil Muslims, in the name of Christ

 

[Matthias]

You said you would kill someone if Christ told you to...

That’s right. When he returns there is going to be massive bloodshed. When he is ruling from his father David’s throne in Jerusalem for a thousand years, I will be in his government. If he commands me to kill then, I will. That’s the age to come.

In the meantime, he (along with the apostles) has explicitly taught his followers how to treat their enemies and respond to evil in this present evil age.

I’ve advised your unitarian friend to wait for the Messiah to return. He refuses to wait for Jesus. I’m advising you to do as I advised him to do.

Well. That's exactly what the first king of Portugal did. Christ told him to and he did.
So that puts all your excuses to bed

Viva Portugal. A nation founded against Muslims, in the name of Christ

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[amigo de christo]

Those places would welcome my wallet, not me.

as is often the case . For they pander to please the ears of man in order for what lies within that billfold .
And that is why we have seen MUCH change within many churches throughout the years .
And now it is why we see such a massive merger of the false religoins with much of christendom .
That gonna be one big cash flow to someone . and why we see a digital solution .
Yes it has been told that the love of money is the root of all evil . AND SO IT IS .
For always that one will change and pander to the changing times
in order to keep the income , COMING IN .......................

 

[Matthias]

It’s the spirit of Antichrist, not the spirit Christ, who wants the followers of Jesus to slaughter themselves and their enemies in war @Armour of God.

 

[amigo de christo]

He chose not to respond to my question. Again, that’s fine. Let the story remain untold.

When someone breaks away from the religion of his or her ancestors, there’s always a reason that they do. No one does that without seeing something amiss with that religion. It can be something major, it can be something minor. It can be few things, it can be many things.

That was the case with me. That was the case with my wife. That has been the case with everyone I‘ve ever spoken with who decided not to follow the religion of their ancestors.

lets also add a wee bit to this .
You are correct , no man and no woman gonna sit in a place
that teaches contrary to what it is that is the true desire of their heart .
Whether its of sins and lusts , or whether its a born again heart that Sits under TRUTH and thus if truth
is not being taught it too will leave .
But so too does any . Whether they come to seek to justify their sins
or whether they come for to seek TRUTH . Neither can remain in a place that teaches contrary
to their hearts desire .
And now a word .
And that is why many churches kept changing and adapting TO the times .
INCOME , MONEY is their love and thus numbers must be kept and gained .
But for the sheep TRUTH and the LOVE OF TRUTH is and has been shed upon their hearts .
And they will not barter , they will not trade IN the TRUTH . NO matter the cost to them .
The love of a harlot is deadly . And a harlot knows what to wear and how to appear to any
in order to seduce them into her bed of whoredomes .

 

[amigo de christo]

It’s the spirit of Antichrist, not the spirit Christ, who wants the followers of Jesus to slaughter themselves and their enemies in war @Armour of God.

and it is the spirit of anti christ that has come with a peace plan .
To merge all false religoins with all of christendom under the guise it be of GOD for to attain world peace n safety .
And oh yes , IT WILL Surley DENY the DIRE NEED to REPENT and BELEIVE ON JESUS .
AND SO IT HAS . Say hello to worlds gathering we are one INCLUSIVE religoin of ANTI CHRIST .
That has hollered judge not for years
and has molded minds within by means of a harlots love to come and be as one .
It has cried tolerance tolerance , acceptance acceptance to all .
And more and more sins and even unbelief has come to b e accepted by and through its love and its tolerance .
And more and more does the hatred grow towards the very WORDS of GOD , OF THE GOD and HIS CHRIST
who could have saved them . Watch out . many cry we are one
And in spirit they are becoming one . ONLY its under the wrong one . The day of upmost
destruction cometh . For THOUGH HE called they did not heed
and though he had sent the sheep to warn and to remind
they had cast them out and HIS WORDS out , in favor of a harlots love .

 

[Matthias]

lets also add a wee bit to this .
You are correct , no man and no woman gonna sit in a place
that teaches contrary to what it is that is the true desire of their heart .
Whether its of sins and lusts , or whether its a born again heart that Sits under TRUTH and thus if truth
is not being taught it too will leave .
But so too does any . Whether they come to seek to justify their sins
or whether they come for to seek TRUTH . Neither can remain in a place that teaches contrary
to their hearts desire .
And now a word .
And that is why many churches kept changing and adapting TO the times .
INCOME , MONEY is their love and thus numbers must be kept and gained .
But for the sheep TRUTH and the LOVE OF TRUTH is and has been shed upon their hearts .
And they will not barter , they will not trade IN the TRUTH . NO matter the cost to them .
The love of a harlot is deadly . And a harlot knows what to wear and how to appear to any
in order to seduce them into her bed of whoredomes .

When I asked @Armour of God if he was Roman Catholic he replied that his parents are. That guarded / deflective response suggests that he isn’t a Roman Catholic. (Good for him, if that’s the case.) The Crusaders may have died for their fellow Catholics (they killed Roman Catholics too - he’s glossed over that) but they didn’t die for non Roman Catholics.

 

[amigo de christo]

You said you would kill someone if Christ told you to...
Well. That's exactly what the first king of Portugal did. Christ told him to and he did.
So that puts all your excuses to bed

Viva Portugal. A nation founded against the evil Muslims, in the name of Christ

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verily verily i say unto thee , this might indeed have been what the first king of portogual did .
BUT it aint what THE KING OF KINGS had told us to do . He who lives by the sword shall DIE by the sword .
SO i am sure kings have claimed to hear FROM GOD
As many popes have , as many others have . BUT IT darn sure dont mean THEY DO HEAR FROM HIM .
My advice to each and every one of us is
WE get well planted IN THE BIBLE for ourselves . STOP letting men twist it to you , and simply
read and be reminded by the pure and holy reminders of TRUTH in said scriptures .